Xbox vs. PS2 vs. Gamecube

Which do you have and why?
Not trying to start a fanboy/girl debate, just want to know what people think of the each system.
I have an Xbox and really like it so far (love Halo, looking forward to that Terminator game and Unreal).

[joetron2030]

I'm sure there's another topic here where we've discussed this before. but, I'll just jump in here until someone else points out where the other discussion is...

I have an Xbox and a PS2.

Not sure which is better. I haven't done a side-by-side yet. I probably will, though, when NFL 2K3 comes out. Just rent the PS2 and Xbox versions and run 'em both at the same time. See what's what.

It's nice to have more than one. For instance, I really wanted Elder Scrolls 3. No way I'd be able to get that for PS2.

On the flip side, I'm glad I have a PS2, otherwise, I'd never have Grand Theft Auto 3 or Gran Turismo 3.

[Jack]

I have none of the above, but as I see it...

The X-Box and Gamecube are sure to have their own specific strengths etc, but, the current market is a PS2 Market.

Sony managed to sideswipe Nintendo, Sega, and Microsoft with internal R&D and Production, therefore making the PS2 cheaper. What's more, by selling the PS2 at a slight loss, they guaranteed a slightly lower price than it could have been, but relied on selling large numbers of PS2's to compensate, which they did.

For the X-Box and Gamecube to be really succesful, they must first be willing to play second fiddle to the PS2, and they will have to somehow rope the people who already have PS2's into buying a second/third console with something that they can't get anywhere else.

Well, those are just my thoughts.

[flipdangelo]

i gotsa ps2 that mostly collects dust and plays dvds. the only game i own that i like is gitaroo man. theres a new contra game that looks cool though, and xenosaga, the sequel to the best rpg of all time, xenogears, i'm hoping will be great.

i still play my dreamcast a lot for a dead system though.

[mpyre]

I have a PS2, Gamecube and Dreamcast.

We hardly touch any of them at this time of the year. It's all about waiting for the Fall/Holiday season.

The only games we play are multi-player stuff like Bomberman on Saturn, Mario Party 3, Hot Shots 3 on PS2 or Virtua Tennis on Dreamcast.

I've only used my PS2 for catching up on games like Vagrant STory and Dragon Warrior 7. Last time we touched the Gamecube was for Resident Evil which I finished 7 times (never done that with a Survival Horror game before).

Next week it all changes....

We're getting Sega Tennis for PS2.
Beach Volleyball and Mario Sunshine are hitting the GAmecube.

Then it gets nuts after September: Metroid, Phantasy Star Gamecube, Super Monkey Ball 2, Kingdom Hearts, etc.

No room for X-box in our playtime.

[joetron2030]

oh yeah! i forgot to mention that I have a dreamcast too.

These days it gets used mainly for Samba de Amigo.

Shake them maracas, baby!

[d@ m@n]

simple and powerful system. all the good games will be out by the end of this year for it too.

[utinni2]

Dude did you see the preview for that lord of the rings game for the PS2, that ish looked like the bomb son!

[ironmonkey]

i have a gamecube and a ps2. both are dope! waiting for mario sunshine, zelda, tekken 4, suikoden 3, new wild arms and tenchu 3.

[angrykitty]

Originally posted by Jack
Sony managed to sideswipe Nintendo, Sega, and Microsoft with internal R&D and Production, therefore making the PS2 cheaper. What's more, by selling the PS2 at a slight loss, they guaranteed a slightly lower price than it could have been, but relied on selling large numbers of PS2's to compensate, which they did.

i heard, the trick sony played was that they said they lost money selling hardware at slight loss, but they really didn't. they just wanted to fool microsoft into believing that they would have to do the same, and it is what exactly they did. when sony was able to build a better chip and drop the price, microsoft was really caught off gaurd.



[Edited by angrykitty on 07-26-2002 at 02:00 PM]

[Getulaid]

i currently have the japanese PS2 with a action replay 2 (DVD region free).

i bought/sold games here and there and i only have tekken4 and ffx intl

looking fwd to getting soul calibur II and auto modelista

Interesting responses everyone.

I almost want to get a Gamecube for that Star Wars Rouge Leader game alone -- I played it at a Target kiosk and nearly flipped out! It's like you're in the movie!

As for "advanced chip" in the PS2? You mean CPU or GPU (graphics chip). My understanding is that Xbox has the most advanced graphics chip.

I guess the bottom line is that you should get the system that plays the games you want. Afterall, it's good gameplay a gamer is after.

[angrykitty]

Originally posted by brendonm
As for "advanced chip" in the PS2? You mean CPU or GPU (graphics chip). My understanding is that Xbox has the most advanced graphics chip.

they found a way to build the same chip in a more efficient way, making it cheaper.

Originally posted by angrykitty
i heard, the trick sony played was that they said they lost money selling hardware at slight loss, but they really didn't. they just wanted to fool microsoft into believing that they would have to do the same, and it is what exactly they did. when sony was able to build a better chip and drop the price, microsoft was really caught off gaurd.

[Edited by angrykitty on 07-26-2002 at 02:00 PM] [/B]

I wouldn't debate whether MSFT can catch up with Sony. They probably never will (Sony had major leadtime in the market). But I think people underestimate MSFT's resolve with the Xbox. Gates is willing to lose millions to get into people's bedrooms so they can sell additional services(there's an Ethernet port on the Xbox for a reason -- though Sony is also offering an add-on for online gaming) It will be interesting to see where this all leads.

[angrykitty]

Originally posted by brendonm
I wouldn't debate whether MSFT can catch up with Sony. They probably never will (Sony had major leadtime in the market).

well...remember the dreamcast? they had some major lead time as well.

shoot, last christmas PS1 outsold both xbox and game cube put together.

sony is just smarter than then rest.

Originally posted by brendonm
It will be interesting to see where this all leads.

yes!

but it could also be argued that online gaming will never catch on like tv or movies. there is no mass appeal. thus sony stalls. it could be a big mistake.

online strategies aside, it's incredible how much better the graphics are going to be the next few years with the existing hardware. people are figuring out the full pontential of the consoles. it's kind of scary thinking what machines will be like in 10 years.

Originally posted by angrykitty
[QUOTE]
it's kind of scary thinking what machines will be like in 10 years.



Long live eXistenZ! (Go rent the David Cronenberg movie if you haven't seen it).

Actually, Halo on Xbox kinda feels like a movie (yet, you're still just killing aliens -- but there is a plot to the game, which I like).

[The Pudding]

Originally posted by brendonm
I wouldn't debate whether MSFT can catch up with Sony. They probably never will (Sony had major leadtime in the market). But I think people underestimate MSFT's resolve with the Xbox. Gates is willing to lose millions to get into people's bedrooms so they can sell additional services(there's an Ethernet port on the Xbox for a reason -- though Sony is also offering an add-on for online gaming) It will be interesting to see where this all leads.


Gates may be willing to lose millions to get a foothold (another sign that he's as much an egomaniac as a businessman), but in the global scheme, he's got some problems. I don't know about Europe, but M$ isn't all too hot in Japan. There have been problems with disc scratching, lack of interesting titles, and just general distrust of the Xbox. There was a decent number of folks who bought into the hype and picked up an Xbox when they were released, but they have been complaining steadily since then. Price drops, etc. just aren't helping them out. I do translation for a gaming site, and in almost every article for upcoming Xbox titles, the developers talk about how they couldn't do this on any other console. It just reeks of desperation in most cases. Brand loyalty and reputation goes pretty far. Regardless of opinions of whether or not Nintendo fell off, they have enough name recognition to do quite well. And Sony just dominates. The GBA probably outsells the Xbox in Japan at this point. Furthermore, as a country, there just seems to be a lot less interest in online gaming at this point, that I don't see that being a major factor in that market. Remember the Dreamcast, it seemed to be well enough in America, but it was consistently beaten in Japan, and that was a huge factor in their demise. Gates is hemorrhaging cash, and I wonder how long it'll take for them to either turn things around or surrender.

[ironmonkey]

Originally posted by The Pudding
Originally posted by brendonm
I wouldn't debate whether MSFT can catch up with Sony. They probably never will (Sony had major leadtime in the market). But I think people underestimate MSFT's resolve with the Xbox. Gates is willing to lose millions to get into people's bedrooms so they can sell additional services(there's an Ethernet port on the Xbox for a reason -- though Sony is also offering an add-on for online gaming) It will be interesting to see where this all leads.


Gates may be willing to lose millions to get a foothold (another sign that he's as much an egomaniac as a businessman), but in the global scheme, he's got some problems. I don't know about Europe, but M$ isn't all too hot in Japan. There have been problems with disc scratching, lack of interesting titles, and just general distrust of the Xbox. There was a decent number of folks who bought into the hype and picked up an Xbox when they were released, but they have been complaining steadily since then. Price drops, etc. just aren't helping them out. I do translation for a gaming site, and in almost every article for upcoming Xbox titles, the developers talk about how they couldn't do this on any other console. It just reeks of desperation in most cases. Brand loyalty and reputation goes pretty far. Regardless of opinions of whether or not Nintendo fell off, they have enough name recognition to do quite well. And Sony just dominates. The GBA probably outsells the Xbox in Japan at this point. Furthermore, as a country, there just seems to be a lot less interest in online gaming at this point, that I don't see that being a major factor in that market. Remember the Dreamcast, it seemed to be well enough in America, but it was consistently beaten in Japan, and that was a huge factor in their demise. Gates is hemorrhaging cash, and I wonder how long it'll take for them to either turn things around or surrender.

yeah last i read on a monthly basis the ps2, gamecube, gba, and ps1 ALL sell more units than the xbox in japan. thats pretty sad if the xbox cant even outsell the ps1!!! i mean theyre trying to compete with ps2 and they cant even touch the ps1. japanese people if anything are loyal.

ive said it before and ill say it again, if you want to compete in the console war you --->HAVE<--- to have japans support. there is NO WAY AROUND IT. i knew sony would win.

[shammy718]

i love PS2, but my bf just got a gamecube..and it's so damn cute. hooked on soccer slam.

[lupine]

I really dig the Gamecube. I just wish Nintendo would wisen up and hook up some dope third-party support.

Sony rules in terms of sheer volume of games, but I don't know, I haven't really been impressed with the system. I also don't like the fact that they promised so many things like online gaming in order to beat out the DC and never fulfilled their end of the bargain.

[EK-4000]

does the ps2 have good fighting games? i think that the fighting game with all the nintendo characters alone makes the gamecube worth looking into. does ps2 have street fighter 2? isn't there a game that includes all the different sf 2 variations? i'm guessing it's on ps2.

any other sf2 maniacs out there?

[EK-4000]

i thought it was so cool when i read that passage about sf2 in alex garland's book, the beach. no one's ever done anything like that, before or since. alex garland's a maniac. he even hangs out with kazuo ishiguro. how's that for coolissimo?

[Ricky]

capcom vs snk 2001
virtua fighter
tekken 4
a bunch of others

Originally posted by EK-4000
does the ps2 have good fighting games? i think that the fighting game with all the nintendo characters alone makes the gamecube worth looking into. does ps2 have street fighter 2? isn't there a game that includes all the different sf 2 variations? i'm guessing it's on ps2.

any other sf2 maniacs out there?

[TheSuperTrada]

Sony is definatly the market leader. I don't believe either nintendo or micrsoft will catch up. In all honesty, x-box has been sort of a pooper. Before microsoft decided to create a console, bill gates was given warnings citing the company could loose millions of dollars. Now they are. The wonderswan, a handheld device is outselling the x-box in japan......and the wonderswan has been arounbd for about three years and has not been doing very well. There are dreamcast games that are outselling xbox games. The future for x-box looksa little grim. It has some good games, but none that that the majority of gamers are dying to play (like final fantasy and grand theft auto). Microsoft's mistakes in my opinion are....not enough appealing games/japanese support, poor marketing, and terrible console design. The x-box is so damn ugly.

Nintendo on the other hand is still creating innovative, fun, and enjoyable games. Nintendo may not be able to equal sony's might but they won't be beaten down.

If the x-box wasn't backed by such a rich company like microsoft, i'd say it was doomed. But i think the key to the better system, is better games. It doesn't matter if the x-box can out preform the ps2, if the system has no games anyone wants to play, it's all over.

[mpyre]

Sorry to bring this up again, but I found an excellent page on why X-Box really really really really really really sucks. Got the link from PixelSurgeon:

http://maddox.xmission.com/xbox_suckit.html


I like the point about hyping up the specs too much...something like...just because you use the best paint or most technologically advanced brush, doesn't mean you'll get the best painting...

At least Microsoft admits that their original controllers suck bigtime...the x-box now comes with the smaller Japanes controller. If only Mr. Gates would realize that there's more issues with their box than just the controllers...

[joetron2030]

I'm finding it harder and harder to take these types of rants seriously when the writer apparently has a poor grasp of English grammar...

Also, comparisons to one's nuts doesn't help your cause.

That said, my Xbox will get monster playing time when Steel Battalion comes out.

But, right now, my PS2 and Xbox both sit silently while I'm enjoying Dungeon Siege (because it's on sale for HALF PRICE at CompUSA this week).

[Zaius]

Originally posted by mpyre
Sorry to bring this up again, but I found an excellent page on why X-Box really really really really really really sucks. Got the link from PixelSurgeon:

http://maddox.xmission.com/xbox_suckit.html


I like the point about hyping up the specs too much...something like...just because you use the best paint or most technologically advanced brush, doesn't mean you'll get the best painting...

At least Microsoft admits that their original controllers suck bigtime...the x-box now comes with the smaller Japanes controller. If only Mr. Gates would realize that there's more issues with their box than just the controllers...

Jesus H... You must really have a hard-on for Xbox. What is the point of these arguments anyway? Do you want to have LESS choice for gaming or what?

[d@ m@n]

i got the gamecube because i've always liked nintendo systems. i owned the original old school one when i was a kid. the grphics are awesome and it's a well balanced system in terms of graphics and speed. the key pad is very comfortable in your hand and the games in general on it are easy to play. here are my games so far....

1. star wars rougue squadron 2
2. bloody roar: primal fury
3. beach spikers virtual beach volleyball
4. robotech battlecry
5. need for speed hot pursuit 2

:D

[EK-4000]

what about that sonic the hedgehog game?

[Mutterlein]

you bring up a excellent point zaius. I want the x-box to stick around as long as possible. More competition means better products.

[EK-4000]

yes, that's why i don't want the pc to become extinct. here's hoping it'll be around for at least five more years. besides, it looks like the macs could benefit from the competition if they're going to keep their edge. i think macs are okay; they have their uses. they can even be impressive.

[domu]

Yeah but here's my beef... The PS2 dominating popular culture and attitudes means that development stagnates because everything's done to PS2 specs, a sort of technical lowest common denominator. Look at Ninja Gaiden on Xbox - HOLY FUCKING SHIT. But how many games have really, really taken advantage of the Xbox? The problem is that it would take some serious developers to balls deep commit to the Xbox. And it ain't going to happen. Competition is great, sure. The problem is the competition has already been killed.

[Cornelius]

well the xbox has capcom developing games for them
and thats good enough for me...

i hear the xbox will have an online capcom vs snk 2...

maybe a 'breath of fire' will be made for this system?

[l-train8]

The thing is, there are 40 million PS2's sold. There are 8 million GameCubes, and 4 million XBoxes. So say you're a developer making a game. Do you want to have 4 million potential customers or 8 million or 40 million? Now 4 and 8 million customers are nothing to sneeze at, so after you make your game for 40 million customers, you can tweak it so it works for the other 12 million.

Domu is exactly right. PS2 has become the lowest technological common denominator. The maximum size for textures in the PS2 is the standard for almost all games that come out on all three platforms, even though XBox and GameCube can handle much larger textures. Developers treat the XBox and GameCube as afterthoughts. All the resources are spent making the game shine on the PS2, then it is tweaked just enough to work on the other consoles.

There are two ways a game gets made specifically for a platform. One is if Microsoft or Nintendo owns a development studio outright. That's how Bungee made Halo and Nintendo made Super Mario Sunshine. The other is if MS or Nintendo give a bunch of money to a developer, like Capcom's Resident Evil 0 exclusively for GameCube or Sega's House of the Dead 3 only on the XBox. Both methods are too expensive to be used a lot, so most 3rd party games get made for the PS2.

[Zaius]

Originally posted by l-train8
The thing is, there are 40 million PS2's sold. There are 8 million GameCubes, and 4 million XBoxes. So say you're a developer making a game. Do you want to have 4 million potential customers or 8 million or 40 million? Now 4 and 8 million customers are nothing to sneeze at, so after you make your game for 40 million customers, you can tweak it so it works for the other 12 million.

Domu is exactly right. PS2 has become the lowest technological common denominator. The maximum size for textures in the PS2 is the standard for almost all games that come out on all three platforms, even though XBox and GameCube can handle much larger textures. Developers treat the XBox and GameCube as afterthoughts. All the resources are spent making the game shine on the PS2, then it is tweaked just enough to work on the other consoles.

There are two ways a game gets made specifically for a platform. One is if Microsoft or Nintendo owns a development studio outright. That's how Bungee made Halo and Nintendo made Super Mario Sunshine. The other is if MS or Nintendo give a bunch of money to a developer, like Capcom's Resident Evil 0 exclusively for GameCube or Sega's House of the Dead 3 only on the XBox. Both methods are too expensive to be used a lot, so most 3rd party games get made for the PS2.



I have all three developers boxes on my desk right now. We do all three simultaniously. Are we the exception to the rule? I dunno....

[Liver_on_a_Stick]

I own a PS2 but I find it's main purpose is as a door stop. I was happy when I bought it but I only buy 1-3 titles a year, and those are the blockbusters that "everyone" owns such as FFX, GTA3, MGS2. I never play games on that system as much as I do on the computer, which has mutliplayer capability. I spend most of my gaming time playing Warcraft3 and FPS's. Maybe there will be something coming out soon that will make me turn it on again.

[Mazinger Z]

Zaius, what studio do you work for anyway? Acclaim?
What type of work do you there? Programming? art direction? modeling?

just curious:D

[Zaius]

Used to work for Acclaim but we got bought by Activision a few months ago so BMX XXX was the last thing we will do for them. I work in the Art Dept as an Animator.

[Simon Paradise]

I still really like the PS2, but I bought a gamecube recently. Because of that damn Animal Crossing!!

[joetron2030]

How is Animal Crossing? My wife asked me what the game was like. She likened it to The Sims. Is that a fair assessment?

[Zaius]

I played for about 10 minutes and got bored. I don't see the appeal. It's like an RPG but with less interesting things to do.

[Simon Paradise]

Originally posted by jskang
How is Animal Crossing? My wife asked me what the game was like. She likened it to The Sims. Is that a fair assessment?

I found it very addicting and fun...its like the Sims in that its non-violent and very unique, but otherwise its very different. It's kind of hard to describe, someone else could probably do a better job.

[ocd]

Originally posted by EK-4000
yes, that's why i don't want the pc to become extinct. here's hoping it'll be around for at least five more years. besides, it looks like the macs could benefit from the competition if they're going to keep their edge. i think macs are okay; they have their uses. they can even be impressive. I think it's okay that mac is competing against windows, but they are competing for the consumer market now, and not the professional. I'm still convinced that OSX was not created with designers in mind.

[djbadmonkey]

anyone have an opinion on what the best racing game on Xbox is? from what i can tell it's Sega GT, but i'm not sure. i miss GT3 :(

[Miso]

Originally posted by Zaius
Used to work for Acclaim but we got bought by Activision a few months ago so BMX XXX was the last thing we will do for them. I work in the Art Dept as an Animator.

haha kinda funny you should mention that. bmx xxx got banned in australia a few days ago.

oh and i have a ps2 and gc. happy with both, no way the xbox is going to survive the console market. that console is dropping in the market as fast as it would drop if you dropped it down a 50 story building. you'd probably cause an big cosmic impact as well but thats debatable

i support gc the most even though i play my ps2 more (damn tekken 4). nintendo always seems to come out with awesome innovative games (thankyou greatly to miyamoto) and as a kid.. ill never forget playing mario on the NES till about 10pm.. *gasps* that was way past my bed time when i was 4 yrs old. but before i owned a nes i had an amiga.. aahh.. that is still in my garage somewhere.

[wnoodle]

Say it ain't so!

http://www.cdfreaks.com/news2.php3?ID=5264

[joetron2030]

Some Xbox and PS2 news:

======================
PS2 trounces console rivals in UK sales rush
By gamesindustry.biz
Posted: 05/12/2002 at 10:03 GMT

The PlayStation 2 continues to dominate hardware sales in the UK, with over 90,000 units of the console sold in the last week of November - three times the sales of Xbox and GameCube combined, and well on track to hit Sony's ambitious installed base projections for the end of the year.

Xbox benefited significantly from the launch of Splinter Cell and its latest bundle deal, seeing its sales surge by 42 per cent to over 21,000 units. GameCube, however, trails badly with sales of just over 10,000 units; still a significant improvement on the previous week, but the utter lack of high profile titles for the system is to blame for what is effectively a flop Christmas in Europe for the Cube.

http://www.theregister.co.uk/content/54/28441.html

============================
MS CFO vows more resources to make Xbox succeed
By John Lettice
Posted: 05/12/2002 at 11:15 GMT

Xbox is not going to go away, and Microsoft is ready to pour more resources into the games console, said company CFO John Connors yesterday. Connors, who was apparently being webcast to a closed Credit Suisse First Boston conference in Scottsdale, Arizona, was responding to the question of whether Microsoft had an exit strategy for Xbox.

The answer, clearly, is no, but Connors seems to have come close to conceding that Xbox, currently running way behind Sony's PS2, hasn't been anything like the success Microsoft intended. Microsoft will, he said, "double down and make it successful."

Depending on how you read this, he could have meant Microsoft intended to spend the same again. The huge numbers Microsoft execs casually toss around when talking up new projects are, as we've argued in the past, largely imaginary. You could think of these numbers, which often include large quantities of partner marketing spend that has nothing to do with Microsoft's coffers, as a special currency, Redmond Billions.
http://www.theregister.co.uk/content/54/28442.html

[jimbuto]

I gots em all. They are all good, but the ps2 is the weakest. Gamecube has some really solid titles, as does xbox. PS2 does kinda, but its only the mass market stuff, nothing really creative for the most part. Gamecube is prolly number one in my book. At least until Panzer Dragoon Orta comes out.

[AddictProne]

Just because x box and ps2 have more money doesn't mean that better games will be developed for it, just more crap by developers looking to make a buck. Look at metriod prime, made in america by some small texan video game company. If the cube is reduced to the under ground style console (being that it has little money but alot of people involved in it who love what they do), that's fine by me cause I usually enjoy that more.

[EK-4000]

so the gc is really going to be the mac of game consoles eh? underappreciated but fervently loved and defended by the loyal few? that's fine by me, iac.

[Miso]

i dont think you can say the ps2 has no good games. gt3, ffx and kingdom hearts come to mind.

if you're looking for great innovative games, look at the gc. but if you are after a giant library of decent to really good games, look into the ps2.

there is no point in arguing which is the best console, they are all pushing forward the grounds of videogames - and that is a GOOD thing, remember?

[EK-4000]

you know what, the system i most want to get is the dreamcast.

jet set radio
street fighter 3
soul caliber
shenmue 1, 2
sonic adventure 2
m vs c2

how can you beat that?

[In_Yamens_Terms]

I love Jet Set Radio.


I bought my cousin an XBox yesterday, because the poor bloke is moving to some small town in Iowa, so I knew he'd need a sanity breaker.


I got the chance to play Jet Set Radio Future on it when he opened it....damn that game is amazing. The set and character design, the variety of 'mini' games, the music...absolutely fantastic game, and really shows off what the X Box can do (well, IMO)


I dont have an X Box yet though, not sure if Im willing to commit to that system yet, it needs a couple more hot games to get me serious about it. If Rare indeed makes Perfect Dark 2 on it, Im there for sure.


I really want a Gamecube though, cheap as hell and with Metroid Prime, Supermario Sunshine and the upcoming Zelda, Nintendo shows they still have some of the funnest games in the industry.


Like many, I have a PS2 and Im satisfied with it. I only have Tony Hawk4 for it, but that games pissing me off, I hate the final pro challenge, So, I patiently await a master cheat to unlock everything.



Gotta give props to the Gameboy Advance as well.

A friend just lent me Splinter Cell for Xbox -- wow. Great game -- the new Halo for me....

[Ricky]

what the hell do belgiums know? they're the pollocks of europe. instead of polish jokes, everyone in europe has belgium jokes. =)

Originally posted by wnoodle
Say it ain't so!

http://www.cdfreaks.com/news2.php3?ID=5264

[Zaius]

http://www.mavav.org/resources/

[AddictProne]

taken from that web site

Health studies have found that even those casual gamers suffer from low self-esteem and self-pride compared to their athletic and more socially accepted peers in their same age group. Young gamers were found to be more likely to become lifetime gaming addicts and becoming social outcasts.

lol it's like saying that the cool kids don't play video games and they are going to be better off... so don't let your kid play video games and he'll turn out cool.

[Simon Paradise]

that article is totally right! Super Mario Bros. made me stab my mom!

[In_Yamens_Terms]

Originally posted by Simon Paradise
that article is totally right! Super Mario Bros. made me stab my mom!


It turned me into a serial shroom killer



About that article, if regular life didnt suck so much ass for most kids, maybe they wouldnt turn to video games as an outlet so much.

[AddictProne]

that's so true, life when you are growing up can be a real pill. It wasn't for me tho... wow I feel really lucky suddenly.

[Ryan]

ive yet to break down and get an xbox but ps2, check. gamecube, check. dreamcast, check.

im set for a while..plus i just go mame..hooah!

[Cornelius]

the 3 systems will drop 50 bucks around May i think...

right now im in love w/ the xbox. steel battalion and splinter
cell are very sexy games...

[EK-4000]

cool. so...

gc $100
ps2 $150
xbox $150

and a dreamcast is $50

it's a good time to get back into video games. i'm getting my gc in june for sure, when i return to the us. gonna look for a dreamcast too. everything costs hella expensivo in europe. americans got it good. plus there's so many places to rent too.

I just ordered a mod chip (the Matrix - no soldering involved) for my Xbox. Why? I want a bigger hard drive mostly to put all my CDs on (Aside from playing Splinter Cell, I'm using my Xbox a lot as a music jukebox -- so nice to not have to jump up and find a CD, put it in everytime I want new music during a marathon reading session).

The chip does other things, some that some might consider illegal (gets rid of Macrovision, allows you to backup games onto the hard drive, you don't need the MS DVD Dongle to play DVDs etc.). Unforunately, this also also voids the warranty -- maybe not if I'm careful about pulling up the stickers and "feet" on the bottom).

If people are interested I'll post my experience with this mod chip here.

[Zaius]

thing about modding xbox is you can't use xbox-live. I'm interested to hear how it works though.

[ironmonkey]

ive been playing the hell out of my gamecube. with metroid, animal crossing and sunshine.

but all will go on hold when zelda comes out.

and after that theres still mario golf, mario tennis, final fantasy chronicles, mario kart, fzero, resident evil 4. damn gamecube is moving up the ranks!

and rumors are going around that nintendo is thinking of buying capcom.

[stinky]

Please post all experiences with the mod chip. I am thinking about the xbox, but does your chip let you lay imports?

Yes, that's one of the advertised features. See:

http://www.matrixmodchip.com/index.html

Originally posted by stinky
Please post all experiences with the mod chip. I am thinking about the xbox, but does your chip let you lay imports?

Yeah, I know -- but I don't have enough time to do the Live Thing.
But with the Matrix there's an option to switch back to the original BIOS, and thus get online with XBox Live.

Originally posted by Zaius
thing about modding xbox is you can't use xbox-live. I'm interested to hear how it works though.

[destructicon]

I have a Ps2 and I am kinda getting bored of it, there are a some good games on the horizon, It seems that the system that will really dominate with really, really great games is the Gamecube, I mean just look at the new 5 games that will be out on the GC from Capcom, They all look like they will be undesputed masterpeices. www.capcom.co.jp/gamecube
Aside from that there are already so many good ones out, plus the coming of the new Zelda game...
The X box is okay, I don't really think the amount of good games they have out now, or ones that will come out are anywhere as amazing as the ones coming to the Cube, or Ps2 for that matter, unless you are really into sports games.

[Zaius]

to tell you the truth "Splinter Cell" is the reason to consider the Xbox. the game is super sexy, I am addicted...I'm trying to get through it without killing anyone.

[Ricky]

theres always the pc version, 1600x1200, anti aliasing turned on, better controller, *drools*

Originally posted by Zaius
to tell you the truth "Splinter Cell" is the reason to consider the Xbox. the game is super sexy, I am addicted...I'm trying to get through it without killing anyone.

[Zaius]

Originally posted by Ricky
theres always the pc version, 1600x1200, anti aliasing turned on, better controller, *drools*




yeah, if you've got the $2,000 (or up) rig to run it right. that's my next purchase once the GeForce FX comes out in feb., then my xbox will be getting a lot less use...

In most games you can "win" by just blasting everything apart in sight (Quake, Unreal etc.) But this sucker is just like real life: it's to your advantage to sneak up on people, use them as sheilds or get info. (like door key codes) out of them. I'm still stuck in the police station, but I'm having a great time playing.
It's quite a thrill to quietly sneak up on someone and grab them around the neck and point a gun at their head ... now as for what this says about me, I'm not quite shure ;-)


Originally posted by Zaius
to tell you the truth "Splinter Cell" is the reason to consider the Xbox. the game is super sexy, I am addicted...I'm trying to get through it without killing anyone.

[Ricky]

build a rig yourself an amd athlon, it will run yah about 1200 with top of the line parts

Originally posted by Zaius



yeah, if you've got the $2,000 (or up) rig to run it right. that's my next purchase once the GeForce FX comes out in feb., then my xbox will be getting a lot less use...

[Zaius]

Originally posted by brendonm
It's quite a thrill to quietly sneak up on someone and grab them around the neck and point a gun at their head ... now as for what this says about me, I'm not quite shure ;-)





yeah, that is definately the best part. sneaking up behind someone and grabbing them while their buddy is just a few feet away, dragging them back in the shadows and knocking them out.

[Zaius]

Originally posted by Zaius
http://www.mavav.org/resources/


"Zach Liebermann of the Parsons School of Design, gave his Interactivity & Programming class this charge:

Your final project is going to be making a fully functional hoax... Your aim should be to create work which is subtle and effective...


In what will most likely go down in Internet history as a brilliant example of e-mob (or is that e.mob now?) rule as well as internet information proliferation, David Yoo took the charge and developed MAVAV.org: Mothers Against Videogame Violence and Addiction," writes beelerspace. "The meme proliferated, and gamers were infuriated. Moms?!? Against video games?!? And violence?!? Say it ain't so!

[joetron2030]

I'm splitting time right now between Splinter Cell (on Xbox) and NBA 2k3 (on PS2).

I've also got my wife's old PC that I'm going to re-kit (new mobo, the whole nine yards).

So, let's see:

PS2
GameCube
Xbox
Dreamcast
Gameboy Color
Macintosh (OS 9.2.2)
PC (soon to be)

I think I've got all of my bases covered... :)

[Liver_on_a_Stick]

I have a friend who is willing to unload his xbox for super cheap.

I guess this is directed to xbox owners, should I buy it? He only has Halo. The reason he is selling it is because he never uses it.

[joetron2030]

How cheap? Will this be your only console?

Frankly, I've been underimpressed with what's been put out for Xbox so far. Aside from Splinter Cell and Steel Battalion, the only other game I have for my Xbox is Amped.

I seem to buy more games for PS2 than Xbox. And, of those games that come out on both, I seem to buy the PS2 version vs. the Xbox version.

However, it is nice to have as an option especially for those Xbox exclusive titles.

If you do get it, I'd recommend getting the Xbox Controller S controllers and dumping (or selling to Gamestop/Funcoland) the original Xbox controllers.

[Liver_on_a_Stick]

I have a PS2, but it's mostly a doorstop right now as I only play MvsC2/CapVsSNK2 on it. The Xbox seems to have some decent games coming out for it. I can say the same for the GC.

My friend is going to sell it to me for $150CDN w/Halo.
Cheaper than what he would sell to anyone else.

[joetron2030]

OK. So, about $100USD. How old is this box?

In any case, that's not a bad deal...

I guess, it's one of those, will you be kicking yourself down the road if you don't buy it?

I say if you can afford to buy it, do so. But, that's just me. Mr. Instant Gratification.

:)

[Liver_on_a_Stick]

he got it close to launch, so I'm guessing it's 1 year old. If anything, I'm going to ditch one of the large controllers and get a "s" version one. It's tempting, but I really need a good reason to buy it. I've gone to his place and played Halo to death. I'm going to have to sleep on this decision.

[Cornelius]

the xbox version of cap vs snk 2 will be on xbox live...

only thing is that there is not one good joystick for the
box. if you can play capcom fighting games w/ standard
pads and dont mind buying the game w/ xbox live, then
go get that suckka...

and if you do fight online and come across me...ill go easy
on you since youre a fellow lounge member

[Yonomosehkia]

Well, as someone who has, I think, all the systems out right now, I'd have to say get the Xbox. It's a great system, and if you aren't really using your PS2, and you think you'll play Xbox, then go for it. Personally, I'm having problems finding games that I want to play on it that don't come out for all the systems, and actually those are pretty much the only games that I've bought for it lately, but it's a pretty sweet system and the hard drive is really nice. Plus, Halo 2 is coming out soonish! That's enough of a reason in itself.

[phism]

get the xbox if you have friends with an xbox, and halo.

otherwise, i enjoy my gamecube immensely.

[ironmonkey]

Originally posted by Yonomosehkia
Plus, Halo 2 is coming out soonish!

december is hardly soonish.

Reasons for buying an Xbox:

1. Halo and Splinter Cell. New games are coming out quite frequently now. I'm curious about Panzer Dragoon -- the demo is nice. It appears to me that many major titles come out for both PS2 and Xbox (re: Medal of Honor, The Thing, Terminator).
Just make sure the games you want are available for the console you buy. Don't plan on seeing any Grand Theft Auto or Resident Evil titles coming out for Xbox.

2. Rip music from your CDs, hook it to your stereo system and use it as a music jukebox.

3. Watch DVDs with it (or use it as a backup DVD player when your main DVD player breaks).


$100 USD is a good price -- they go for around $150 (+shipping) new on Ebay.

[vegAsian]

fuck it, i'm gettin an XBOX.
Halo rulez. and i like GTA 2002 too.

anybody hooked up 2 XBOXes to play
8 player Halo?

[Miso]

fuck. i tried to run the splinter cell demo on my pc at 640x480. the only way i can move around smoothly is by turning on night vision so detail goes down and i can walk around without chugging.

dude, we get xboxs for free here if you buy a nokia 3210.

[AddictProne]

omg x box is 100 dollars? good lord, I think I can officially declare a winner in this battle.

[joetron2030]

No, his friend was going to sell it to him for about $100 USD.

[EK-4000]

well, the best deal of all is....

dreamcast.

...yeah, that was a used price. No this "war" is not over by any means.

Originally posted by AddictProne
omg x box is 100 dollars? good lord, I think I can officially declare a winner in this battle.

[EK-4000]

no, the war as you say will continue on.

for in the end, there can be only one.

[Miso]

we can get gcubes here for like $130USD..

gooooooooo the gaaaaaaaame cuuuube.

Asif metroid doesn't fucking rock. And Zelda scored a perfect score from Famitsu (the badass gaming mag of jpn, and most respected) - being one of 4 or so? games. Since broadband is coming to the gcube soon too the future of the gcube looks good :p

Oh, and the ps2 and xbox look good too since i own them as well.

[mpyre]

Originally posted by Miso
Since broadband is coming to the gcube soon too the future of the gcube looks good :p

Broadband for the GC is already here if you like PSO. I would have snatched up the 2K3 games for the GC if they had roster update support or online play. I like having built-in 4 players.

What I like about the X-box is it saves you a lot of money. Not too many decent games to buy for it.

I'm still playing catch up with my PS2 and GC games and I think I spent more on new games during the holdiays than gifts...(unless I count them as gifts to myself).

[joetron2030]

Originally posted by mpyre
What I like about the X-box is it saves you a lot of money. Not too many decent games to buy for it.


That is true, of course, unless you were one of those nutters like me who bought "Steel Battalion"!

:p

Right now, though, I am just loving NBA 2K3 on PS2 too much.

Well, all done with my Xbox mod. Now have a 120GB hard drive inside, a custom dashboard, some backups and nice little apps on it. I'll probably do a writeup for one of the Xbox sites and post a link here (this is a grey area and don't want to cause the GR guys problems).

[EK-4000]

you can't imagine how jealous i am of your 120 gig hd.

[Shaftoe]

Well I must say that NBA2K3 and NFL2K3 look and sound waaay better on Xbox than PS2.

[joetron2030]

Really? I have NBA2k3 for PS2. I thought it looked pretty good on there. Better on the X, eh?

[EK-4000]

graphics aren't everything.

[joetron2030]

No they're not. But, when a game (e.g., NBA2K3) is essentially the same (gameplay-wise) regardless of platform, then it does come down to one facet of it or another, no?

Having said that, I think I'm just too used to the PS2 controller. And, that may be the reason why I have Madden 2003 and NBA 2K3 on PS2 and not Xbox.

[Zaius]

Originally posted by jskang
No they're not. But, when a game (e.g., NBA2K3) is essentially the same (gameplay-wise) regardless of platform, then it does come down to one facet of it or another, no?

Having said that, I think I'm just too used to the PS2 controller. And, that may be the reason why I have Madden 2003 and NBA 2K3 on PS2 and not Xbox.

yeah, I used to be a PS controller lover but now that they finally pulled their heads outta their asses and phased out the big controllers, I am hooked on the xbox trigger style. GC controllers are horrible. :(

[joetron2030]

The GC controller is one that I've spent the least amount of time with (even though I have one).

I guess the one thing I find annoying about the Xbox controller (I have the S-controller) is the white and black buttons. I find them to be the most difficult to use on the fly and difficult to discern without looking down occasionally. But, I'll also say that it may be because I haven't spent enough time playing games on the Xbox, either.

[segagirl]

well, as you can see from my name, i do have a preference for sega....but trust me, i do venture to other consoles every now and again!

i think as far as having a good range of games goes, id go for the ps2....cos you can play psx games on it too, and there are so many of them
i think the gamecube would be the game lovers choice- not many games have come out yet, but those that have are great ones; super monkey ball, mario sunshine ect...

i myself will probably be buying an xbox soon- but im only really getting it because im a complete jet set radio addict and i want the sequel!

:D

[Zaius]

I found this interesting.....



_________________________



With Microsoft losing roughly $100 on the sale of every Xbox, Microsoft's Home and Entertainment division posted a $348 million loss in the last quarter of 2002, according to figures released late last week. Revenue for the division was up rather significantly over the previous year -- $1.28 billion vs. $833 million -- but the simple fact is that the more Xboxes Microsoft sells, the more it loses.

Although this hardly means the company is in any danger at all. For example, their "Information Worker" division, which produces the Microsoft Office suite of products (among others) had a record quarter, with $1.88 billion in profit on revenue of $2.41 billion. And, for the record, the Windows division posted $1.97 billion in profit on revenue of $2.11 billion (down a hair from $2.48 billion in revenue the year before, but then, remember that Windows XP was still sorta new in the last quarter of 2001).

So, what does this mean for Xbox fans? Well, nothing. Microsoft has said repeatedly that they expect Xbox to lose money, for several years, and they're in it for the long haul (in fact, they fully expect the entire first-generation Xbox to never make a dime). With the kind of profits Microsoft enjoys, a $348 million loss last quarter for the games division ain't exactly gonna sink the company.

[EK-4000]

bitches.

[ironmonkey]

the one thing i know for sure. regardless how successful the ps3, xbox 2, or the next nintendo consoles will be. IF the ps3 will be backwards compatible and can play both ps1 and ps2 games, shit thatll be the GREATEST console(maybe of all time imo). considering the fact that the game library will be bigger than any other console, that also means it will have the BEST library of video games ever of any console. thats just insane. and since sony owns some shares of square and now that square and enix have merged(enixs dragon warrior sells more than final fantasy does in japan with ff in a close second, thats not to say ff isnt popular in japan. far from it, duh!) that means square enix has the japanese at their feet worshiping them and since sony will also own some shares of square enix, they got japan on lock.

if sony plays their cards right, they could be on top of the video gaming industry for a long time.

[l-train8]

Originally posted by segagirl
i myself will probably be buying an xbox soon- but im only really getting it because im a complete jet set radio addict and i want the sequel!

:D

Man, I am of the Nintendo religious persuasion, but the game that tempts me to buy an Xbox is Jet Set Radio. I loved the Dreamcast game, and I keep eyeing the sequel when I go to the video game store to buy Nintendo games.

JGR had great music, a fresh look, and great gameplay. I'm sure JSR has the same.

[montyburnz]

Nokia takes on Gameboy

http://gamespot.com/gamespot/stories/news/0,10870,2910338,00.html


http://image.com.com/gamespot/images/2003/news/02/05/ngage_screen001.jpg

Another possible use of the Xbox: PVR like Tivo and Replay:

http://dreamix.sourceforge.net/

A hardware modification will be necessay (they claim they can do all this through the ethernet port(?).

[Sethius]

The Gamecube has remarkable memory and capacity. When Mario rocket launches or falls down a cliff, the console has the ability to follow the gameplay past 100 feet! Well, I'm just exaggerating a little bit, but it definitely seems that the GC is so powerful. Also little things like birds flying around and characters walking through the level displays how much memory the machine can handle. What do you think? Is PS2 and Xbox just as powerful?

I think I'm going to have a heart attack when Zelda comes out!

[Zaius]

Just bought my second Xbox. After my first got stolen I debated whether to go PS2 or not but I was just more exicted by what's coming for the Xbox. Now I need to decide whether to go Xbox Live or not.....

[Garlic]

Someone stole your Xbox! That sucks !

[montyburnz]

Originally posted by Zaius
Just bought my second Xbox. After my first got stolen I debated whether to go PS2 or not but I was just more exicted by what's coming for the Xbox. Now I need to decide whether to go Xbox Live or not.....

What games are you drooling over?

My must haves are: DX2: the invisible war,
Fable, and Halo 2.

[Zaius]

Originally posted by montyburnz


What games are you drooling over?

My must haves are: DX2: the invisible war,
Fable, and Halo 2.


Halo 2
DX2 and Thief 3 by the same company
Project Ego
Knights of the Old Republic

[Zaius]

aww...crap, they changed the name again?


Project Ego = Fable

[joetron2030]

OK. My next game buying dilemna:

High Heat 2004 or EA's MVP Baseball?

I've read a couple comparos. It looks like HH2K4 is already out for PS2!

The EA game's pitching and batting interfaces are very intriguing and that's the direction I'm leaning at this time.

Besides, HH only has downloadable roster updates for PC and Xbox (via Xbox Live) only. The EA game, apparently, will only have it for PC only (which sucks).

[Liver_on_a_Stick]

I thought sega's WSB was the "elite" baseball game out there...

I'm having a tough time deciding on getting Xenosaga or DarkCloud 2. I need to bring my PS2 outta retirement!

[joetron2030]

Originally posted by Liver_on_a_Stick
I thought sega's WSB was the "elite" baseball game out there...


From what I've read (in a number of places), you can't beat High Heat for its attention to gameplay details. The only problems with the HH franchise is that the graphics suck.

Most intriguing about EA's Triple Play replacement is the new pitching and batting interface. Sounds like it's pretty innovative compared to the old school cursor based methods.

The latest Game Informer has a comparison of all of the baseball games and HH 2k4 and EA's MVP 2003 were the most interesting to me. The Sega game was somewhere just below those two on my interest scale.

All of the problems they found with the various games are pretty minor ones for someone with my interest level in baseball. I want pretty realistic, but I'm not a stickler for ultra-realistic play. And, by the end of playing HH 2003, I was really bugged only by the lackluster graphics.

[joetron2030]

So, I was paging through the latest issue of Game Informer and came across an ad (article? I can't remember which) for a E3-like convention coming in August geared for CONSUMERS.

I thought that was pretty cool! I hope it gathers enough interest from all of the developers to make it a success.

[Zaius]

damn, this game looks dope.....

Black 9 (http://www.gamers.com/game/85145)

Hey, could you post the info. for this conference? I'd like to go.
E3 has really become hard to get into, even if you are in the industry directly.

Thx!

Originally posted by jskang
So, I was paging through the latest issue of Game Informer and came across an ad (article? I can't remember which) for a E3-like convention coming in August geared for CONSUMERS.

I thought that was pretty cool! I hope it gathers enough interest from all of the developers to make it a success.

[joetron2030]

I haven't heard any more about it. And, I think I tossed the issue of Game Informer that had info about it. Sorry!

Edit:

I'll see if I still have the issue tonight. There's an outside chance I might.

[mpyre]

Originally posted by brendonm
Hey, could you post the info. for this conference? I'd like to go.
E3 has really become hard to get into, even if you are in the industry directly.

Thx!



He he...I just got my E3 confirmation in the mail. Can't wait to hit the Nintendo booth and win some stuff.

Staying on the topic of this thread. It seems like every game hyped up in the Microsoft booth turns out to be turd. At the last E3s, they had big displays for Kung Fu Chaos, the Bruce Lee game, and Blinx. I heard Blinx was OK but the other two stink.

Anyways, I think the final chance to register to the usual E3 is within 2 weeks. I did early registration with my buddies. Once you get on their mailing list, you don't have to prove your industry credentials every time. We got in the first time 3-4 years ago through a buddy at Midway.

If you really want to go, you should just crash it. You can always ask for a pass from someone who looks like they're leaving.

Also, if you register in their computer area (where you enter your address, etc.), you can register MULTIPLE times by coming up with your own serial numbers. Nobody is watching all the computers in that area.

[joetron2030]

You'll have to be our eyes and ears during the convention! Cool!

[Zaius]

Originally posted by mpyre




Staying on the topic of this thread. It seems like every game hyped up in the Microsoft booth turns out to be turd. At the last E3s, they had big displays for Kung Fu Chaos, the Bruce Lee game, and Blinx. I heard Blinx was OK but the other two stink.




Dang, dude. You really love Xbox huh?

[mpyre]

Originally posted by Zaius



Dang, dude. You really love Xbox huh?

Not really but I like Jet Grind, Splinter, Panzer, DOA Volleyball...what I'm saying is Microsoft had full-on displays for those crappy games that I mentioned. They had big figurines of the Kung Fu Chaos characters. Bruce Lee had its own big screen and Blinx also had a huge display.

[Zaius]

Xbox's problem is that Microsoft has no feel for gaming culture at all.

[mpyre]

Originally posted by Zaius
Xbox's problem is that Microsoft has no feel for gaming culture at all.

yeah...but Microsoft is one of the ultimate entities of pure capitalism and greed. They see the money and that's all they need to drive them. Their newest targets: pushing the WMA standard on music (lockable songs, pay per play) and the Flash format. I'll be content playing PS2 games and being a niche GameCube gamer. I still love my Dreamcast.

[joetron2030]

OK. So, I've got a copy of WSB 2k3 for Xbox that I will be selling back to Gamestop/Funcoland. I need recommendations for a game to buy.

Right now, I'm playing:

MVP 2003 (Xbox)
Def Jam Vendetta (PS2)
.Hack//Infection (PS2; off and on)
Tiger Woods 2003 (Xbox)

Right now, at the front of the pack are:

Midnight Club 2 (PS2, though I may be tempted to wait for the xbox version).

Colin McRae 3 (PS2)

World Grand Prix (PS2)

Any other suggestions? For a racing game, I tend to look at the PS2 because I have the Logitech wheel.

Originally posted by mpyre
I still love my Dreamcast.

I'm going to have to download and install that Dreamcast emulator on my Xbox -- curious how it has such a following. Kinda like ColecoVision! (well, maybe not...I thought that was a cool system back in the day -- I could play Donkey Kong till my eyeballs glazed over).

[joetron2030]

Originally posted by brendonm


I'm going to have to download and install that Dreamcast emulator on my Xbox -- curious how it has such a following.

You have nay more info on this thing? You need a modded Xbox to use this?

Originally posted by jskang


You have nay more info on this thing? You need a modded Xbox to use this?


Yup, the Xbox needs a modchip to run unsigned, 3rd-party code.

Originally posted by brendonm



Yup, the Xbox needs a modchip to run unsigned, 3rd-party code.


Uh, looks like I spoke too soon. I got Dreamcast confused with the Sega Genesis. Nevermind...

[joetron2030]

Originally posted by brendonm
Yup, the Xbox needs a modchip to run unsigned, 3rd-party code.

d'oh!

[montyburnz]

Originally posted by jskang

Any other suggestions? For a racing game, I tend to look at the PS2 because I have the Logitech wheel.

I picked up Deathrow and Phantom Crash for the Xbox recently. I heard them described as sleeper
hits on xbox fan boards. They are both slick, fun, and average-good games that have their charm.

Deathrow is a futuristic bloodsport, sort
of ultimate frisbee crossed with smashmouth
football and a dash of team management. There's a number of different teams (ex. convicts, space marines, demons) and a good variety of arenas. I don't like sports, but this was fun and addictive.
It seems to have gone by pretty quick. Is that normal for sports games? I guess they get you to play more with the unlockables.

Phantom Crash is mech fighting bloodsport where
you can buy, build, and customize your own mechs.
Battling and building mechs is fun, plus you can engage a Predator style cloak. The downsides are skimpy arenas (only 3), graphics are muddy, and there's some looonnng ass anime subplot going on.

Deathrow is selling at $19 and Phantom Crash is $30.

[CaptainPajamaShark]

i've been sucked into Metroid Prime world....too much fun.

[westsideLBC]

Originally posted by brendonm
Hey, could you post the info. for this conference? I'd like to go.
E3 has really become hard to get into, even if you are in the industry directly.

Thx!



there's no info on it though but i think this is the website you're looking for

http://www.joystickevent.com/

[joetron2030]

thanks for the info, montyburnz!

I don't really need any mech games, I have Steel Battalion. :)

[montyburnz]

Originally posted by jskang
thanks for the info, montyburnz!

I don't really need any mech games, I have Steel Battalion. :)


How is Steel Battalion? Does it have much
replay value? It'd be great if it had Xbox Live.

[akuma]

i just ordered marvel vs capcom 2

!!> i can wait to get it <!!

[joetron2030]

Originally posted by montyburnz
How is Steel Battalion? Does it have much replay value? It'd be great if it had Xbox Live.

I think it's kick ass. But, I haven't played it in awhile. I only got through about 3 missions before some other "new game" came along and usurped my attention.

:)

Capcom has already indicated that a sequel is in the works (not sure if it will be Xbox Live enabled or not).

I find it a pretty immersive game and I'm only playing it off a 17" VGA monitor. Ideally, a setup for playing this would include a 40"+ plasma or front projection TV for a bigger picture.

The biggest hassle with this game is finding enough tabletop to set the controller on and storage for the controller when it's not in use (aside from taking it apart and putting it back in its original box).

[montyburnz]

I've never played a MMORPG. This is what I have missed:

http://gamesradar.msn.co.uk/features/default.asp?subsectionid=204&articleid=65224&pagetype=2

[joetron2030]

Ha! For Steel Battalion fans/owners, xbox.ign.com has info stating the the sequel to Tekki has been announced. "Tekki Taisen" (aka "Tekki War") featuring ONLINE play!

[ironmonkey]

sega is coming with the HEAT...

http://www.gamespot.com/all/news/news_6025862.html

altered beast and vectorman for the ps2? awwwww shit.

[Ricky]

finally they're releasing virtual fighter evo

[akuma]

altered beast for ps2!

:0

great news ironmonkey, thanks





i recently got marvel vs capcom 2 for ps2 and it absolutley kills
so many characters...so fast and so dope.
yes sir, i like it.

[joetron2030]

Ultimate Gamers Expo, LLC (UGE) is proud to announce the Ultimate Gamers Expo, a high-profile consumer event launching at the Los Angeles Convention Center, August 15-17, 2003. UGE promises three days of Next Generation gaming demonstrations and competitions, allowing gamers of all ages to test-drive the latest games and platforms, participate in tournaments, purchase the latest in gaming merchandise, attend game design workshops and enjoy live entertainment.

http://ugexpo.com/home.html

[joetron2030]

I recently picked up:

Grand Prix Challenge (PS2)
Winning Eleven 6 International (PS2)
Midnight Club 2 (Xbox)

MC2 is just rockin' me so bad right now! Anyone playing this?

I played a bit of WE6 and it's fun. Just have to figure out (ie, memorize) the controls for this game.

Haven't had a chance to us the steering wheel on Grand Prix Challenge, yet.

[Zaius]

Originally posted by jskang
I recently picked up:

Grand Prix Challenge (PS2)
Winning Eleven 6 International (PS2)
Midnight Club 2 (Xbox)

MC2 is just rockin' me so bad right now! Anyone playing this?




I playe a bit at E3 with a logitech steering wheel. using a wheel makes such a difference with driving games! It rocked, I felt all fast n' furious n' shit......


even though I couldn't get off the LA freeway. :( that little chica was talkin' all smack to me about it, too!

[thirdsight]

I cant wait for Mario Kart DD!

[joetron2030]

Originally posted by Zaius

even though I couldn't get off the LA freeway. :( that little chica was talkin' all smack to me about it, too!

You're lucky you didn't get to Paris, then. If you the the smack in LA was harsh, Paris was worse... :)

[joetron2030]

Damn! So, I get into work this morning and there's already a voicemail message on my office phone...

I listen to it, it's the guy from the local GameStop letting me know that Madden 2004 is coming tonight (instead of Wed.)!

I get to get my hands on Madden 2004 TOMORROW.

Man! I cannot wait!

[GRAYmatter]

XBOX ROX MY SOX FROM EQUINOX TO 4 O'CLOX.

[GRAYmatter]

Oh and Phantom (games can be rented and bought via broadband and some other cooshiet) is coming out which is supposed to rampage rape current consoles. And DISCovery is coming out that should be able to play XBOX and PS2 etc. Nokia is coming out with a handheld with graphics like PS1. XBOX 2 is in the werx. It is rumoured to be able to record TV input directly to disc. Also that itll work as a home entertainment system. ALSO... Microsoft is gettin the silicon liscence(sp?) so itll be makin its own video card and maybe processor. Nvidea and ATI might have to go through Micro for their shit now. Damn Monopoly MADNESS!!!

[GRAYmatter]

^license

[bagel]

Sega died. Unless Nintendo pulls some bigs stops I fear they are dead too. However, I will not while I live in this mortal coil permit Micro$haft to defeat Sony! The PS2 is incredibly capable and it's processor shall be even more so! VIV LA SONY!

[mpyre]

Originally posted by cellout
nokia n gage looks like dook

It looks like they were trying to knock-off the GBA vibe but Nintendo pulled an even cooler rabbit out of their hat...the SP!!!

Now the ngage already looks like it's 3 years old.

[scuba keef]

What is up with the linux kit for PS2 and how easy is it to start programming your own games like some badd ass scubadiver game.

[joetron2030]

Good question! I totally forgot about it as soon as I heard you had to either be in the Linux environment or the default PS2 environment. Never shall the two cross.

Besides, it was all dependent on the HDD for PS2 coming out, no?

And, really, when IS that damned thing coming out in the US? Is it still tied to the release of FF XI Online?

[ShadeElaine]

http://www.msnbc.com/news/970986.asp

gamecube dropping to $99.

... and i still can't afford it. :(

[plixel]

^^ that might be a good thing since u'd be spending a whole lot more than $100. Must buys; Wavebird (is god), Zelda, Animal Crossing, Metriod, F-Zero, Ikuraga, Eternal Darkness and of course, Super Monkey Ball 2. And you'd have to pick up a memory card, too.

[joetron2030]

Man, I had the chance to buy Ikaruga USED and I slept on it! When I finally got around to picking it up, someone else had already beat me to it!

:(

[Miso]

Ikaruga is so sweet, I bought it for my Dreamcast. Chuck it onto a vga adapter and its 2 x better looking than any other version :) Get a dc if you're into shooters.

[toonlets]

I have a PS2 and a Gamecube, though I rarely, if ever, use my GC.

Sony announced the PS3 will be backwards compatible with the PS2 (but probably not the PS1), so already it has the largest game library of the next generation consoles.

Xbox is better hardware, but my PS2 is good enough. I'm all about gameplay at this point.

Graphics aren't really an issue when I'm playing BOMBASTIC.

[joetron2030]

Originally posted by Miso
Ikaruga is so sweet, I bought it for my Dreamcast. Chuck it onto a vga adapter and its 2 x better looking than any other version :) Get a dc if you're into shooters.

I already have a DC. How else do you play Samba De Amigo and Typing of the Dead?!? ;)

[j_simone]

i have a ps2, xbox, gamecube (probably a bunch of the older ones too... dc, n64, etc)
why? my bf is the ultimate consumer...
(sounds like a super hero!)
my fav is ps2 - best controller, best variety/number of games...

[EK-4000]

i've given up on video games. sad...

[toonlets]

Check this out:

http://www.gamespy.com/icfj/september03/import7/

[Sethius]

what happened to gc? after zelda i don't see any new interesting titles.

can you recommend me some? i've been out of it.

[Liver_on_a_Stick]

Great deal @ Futureshop for the canadian bots:

GC for $99 after $40 mail in rebate. Hurry, offer expires tomorrow. Also, it's only the Jet Black model.

[joetron2030]

Originally posted by Sethius
what happened to gc? after zelda i don't see any new interesting titles.

can you recommend me some? i've been out of it.

Viewtiful Joe.

[westsideLBC]

Originally posted by Sethius
can you recommend me some? i've been out of it.

f-zero is pretty sah-weet. then there's the gba player attachment.
play final fantasy tactics, advance wars 2, and pokemon pinball advance.

[joetron2030]

Revealed: US console installed base figures
By gamesindustry.biz
Posted: 11/11/2003 at 12:31 GMT

[snip...]

As you might expect, the PlayStation 2 dominates the proceedings, with a current installed base of 19.2 million units. That is expected to grow to 24 million units by the end of the Activision financial year - pretty impressive growth for a console which is thought to have reached its lifetime sales peak.

The Xbox leads the GameCube slightly, with Microsoft's console boasting a six million-strong installed base as against 4.7 million for Nintendo's platform. These figures are expected to grow to eight million and six million, respectively, by the end of Activision's financial year, although it's not clear whether this takes into account Nintendo's recent resurgence following the GameCube price cut.

http://www.theregister.co.uk/content/54/33917.html

man! nearly twice the installed base of Xbox and GC combined! Wow.

[secretazngurl]

that's pretty impressive! i do :heart: my ps2! :D
but, i kinda feel bad for nintendo... i remember when they were the shit!
back in like 1986 :(

[Liver_on_a_Stick]

Nintendo was great up till around 95 when the playstation came out. Selling my snes was tough. Lots of memories...

[joetron2030]

I wish my bro hadn't sold our NES for that refurbed Sega Genesis...

[macphisto]

i'm going to buy either PS2 or XBOX today, but i cant decide which one to get, i think PS2 has more games including all the ones you can still play from PS1, but i've heard the XBOX is more graphically empowered. I love fighting games like Marvel vs. Capcom 2 and Soul Caliber plus RPG's and shoot em ups like house of the dead, but which one's better? goddamn this is a tough decision. Andy suggestions?

[Zaius]

I have an Xbox. I keep thinking about getting a PS2 as well just to play Ape Escape 2 and a few other games that aren't out for Xbox yet.

I got it because I'm obsessive about getting the best experience possible from a game and games that are multiplatform always look best on the xbox. Soul Caliber looks awesome on xbox and I'm hoping that all the press is accurate and Fable turns out to be a truly amazing RPG. (Fable is an Xbox exclusive RPG being created by a team lead by Peter Molyneux)

[secretazngurl]

games do look better on xbox... but i like the ps2 controller better for fighting games (smaller hands *meh*) and the amt of games available (you can play ps games, but i think you need ps memory cards)
hard decision... we have both :D so we didn't have to decide!
maybe you should look at specific games that are exclusive to the 2 systems... :confused:
yeah, fable should be great... whenever it comes out... :(
i think halo 2 is also gonna be excl to xbox (maybe pc?)
but final fantasy x-2 will be on ps2... decisions, decisions...

[joetron2030]

Originally posted by secretazngurl
games do look better on xbox... but i like the ps2 controller better for fighting games (smaller hands *meh*)

Have you tried the Xbox Controller-S controllers? They're smaller than the original Xbox controller and are now the de facto controller that is packed in with currently shipping Xboxes.

Regardless, I have all 3 (PS2, Xbox, GC) plus a PC so I'm all set.

What I don't have is enough TIME. :mad:

[macphisto]

i'm seriously considering the XBOX over PS2 now, i'm checking out both web sites and I have to say that my gut is going more towards the X. I've also heard that the X controller is kinda weird shaped for fighting games, but what the hell. I havent owned a console since PS1. God help me.

[secretazngurl]

yeah, i have the s-controller, but i still like the ps2 better ;)
macphisto, definitely, look for any games you really, really want to play & make sure they're gonna be released for whichever system you're leaning towards... good-luck! :)

[joetron2030]

Shit! "Manhunt" looks like the shit!

On the current "To Buy" list:

Project Gotham Racing 2.
Need For Speed Underground
Manhunt.

Microsoft just announced that MechAssault is a "Platinum Hit", too.

[Zaius]

saw this in GGA
________________________

It's Good to be the King
Posted by bowler at 11:07 AM

Evidently gaming is king this Christmas Holiday Season.


In a poll conducted by Yahoo, over 132,000 kids participated and the top three toys requested are:



#1: X-box
#2: GBA SP Platinum
#3: PS2


Although the Game Cube wasn't in the list of toys to be voted on for the top ten list, Yahoo claims that the list generated was "was compiled based on votes Yahoo! received from its users." It should be interesting to see if the Game Cube is still in second place in installed units come January 1, 2004.

__________________


Game Girl Advance (http://www.gamegirladvance.com/)

[joetron2030]

Originally posted by jskang
Shit! "Manhunt" looks like the shit!



In actually playing this game (over the weekend), I found it was not teh shit. It was a good game. But, nothing great.

Or, it's that stealth games just don't appeal to me all that much.

[slackerbot]

Originally posted by Zaius
saw this in GGA
________________________

It's Good to be the King
Posted by bowler at 11:07 AM

Evidently gaming is king this Christmas Holiday Season.


In a poll conducted by Yahoo, over 132,000 kids participated and the top three toys requested are:



#1: X-box
#2: GBA SP Platinum
#3: PS2


Although the Game Cube wasn't in the list of toys to be voted on for the top ten list, Yahoo claims that the list generated was "was compiled based on votes Yahoo! received from its users." It should be interesting to see if the Game Cube is still in second place in installed units come January 1, 2004.

__________________


Game Girl Advance (http://www.gamegirladvance.com/)
i'm thinking that most people have PS2's already. so naturally, the XBOX would be #1 on the list. cuz i don't know why anyone would want an XBOX as their only gaming machine. ;)

[Miso]

for the past few days my gf has been kicking my ass in Mario Party 5 (except for the button spamming ones). It's a good game, and the only game i've been able to get her to play.

Final Fantasy Crystal Chronicles is coming out soon in Feb over at the US too. It should be good, Square-Enix Final Fantasy 4 player mahem, who can resist?

I've just recently discovered a gem for the GBA also, Wario Inc. is the best game ever.. ever.

I also own a PS2, but not much has been happening over there for me.

Xbox im thinking about getting, Swat 3 or whatever it is, looks sweeet..

And i'm going to put my DC into retirement soon. sighs

[Zaius]

Nintendo postpones next-gen console


Japanese game giant temporarily bows out of the next-gen console race to focus on GameCube peripherals.

In an announcement that sent shockwaves through the game industry, Nintendo announced this morning that it has put plans to release a next-generation console on hold. An article in the Nihon Keizai Shimbun quotes Nintendo president Satoru Iwata as deeming Nintendo's current GameCube has not yet reached its full potential. "Customers are fully satisfied with the performance of the current model," said Iwata. Nintendo of America representatives did not respond to GameSpot inquires.

According to the Nihon Keizai Shimbun, Nintendo management has decided to forgo development on the GameCube's successor in order to focus on peripherals that will enhance gameplay, including further interactivity with the Game Boy Advance and (presumably) the upcoming Nintendo DS. The article says that Nintendo expects to release the first of these peripherals in 2005, when Microsoft is expected to release its next Xbox. The next Sony console is not expected out until 2006.

The article said Nintendo would still continue development of "a new home-use game machine for release in the future," but the earliest that machine would be released would be 2007.

While the Nintendo announcement came as a shock, analysts say the strategy shift is not the desperate move some console-war partisans have (already) made it out to be. "While the perception that Nintendo has abdicated a competitive role in the living room will persist, concentrating on the Game Boy Advance and new handheld systems to defend against serious competition from the Sony PSP is a sound strategy," said the Zelos Group's Billy Pidgeon.

However, Pidgeon also admitted the gambit was not without risk. "It will be difficult to sustain third party participation as the Game Cube ages and newer home consoles are released," he said. Pidgeon also pegged the main beneficiary of Nintendo's temporary retreat. "Nintendo's decision to effectively abstain from the next generation of home consoles is better for Microsoft than Sony, as Nintendo's regrouping will help defend Nintendo handhelds against the PSP."

[slackerbot]

XBOX is hurting for customers in Japan. new marketing gimmick to get a few more buyers. :p


Getting in Bed With the Customer

You can't take the voluptuous, bikini-clad vixens from Tecmo's Dead or Alive Xtreme Beach Volleyball to bed with you -- but if you buy an Xbox in Japan this March, Microsoft will give you the next best thing.

http://www.wired.com/news/games/0,2101,62176,00.html

http://a1112.g.akamai.net/7/1112/492/2002091447/www.wired.com/news/images/full/pillow1_f.jpghttp://a1112.g.akamai.net/7/1112/492/2002091447/www.wired.com/news/images/full/pillow2_f.jpg

[stinky]

^where's the holes?

[Sethius]

when ps2 was newly released, everyone was saying that sony's console was the best. then when gc was issued, people said that nintendo is only for kids.

now after reading all these posts, it seems that everyone is starting to think that gc has the best graphics. i hate to say i told you so...

[AzN^StryDeR]

haha, i have a gc its great :D

[joetron2030]

Everyone knows that the PC has the best graphixxxxxxx! :p

[skoomz1]

gamecube has mario kart double dash..and this is the only game that you need

[joetron2030]

US Xbox price cut to $149
By gamesindustry.biz
Posted: 29/03/2004 at 20:19 GMT

Microsoft has slashed the price of the Xbox in America to $149 in a move which will take effect as of tomorrow, while certain evidence suggests that the cut may also be extended to other territories.

The price of the Xbox will drop to CA$199.99 in Canada, marking a similar reduction to the US price cut, while a steeper drop will take effect in Mexico, where the price is set to fall some 500 pesos to 1,999 pesos.

http://www.theregister.co.uk/content/54/36631.html

[montyburnz]

http://www.gamespot.com/news/2004/06/21/news_6101035.html

"We expect Sony to introduce its next console with more functionality than its current console. We base this conclusion on the introduction of the PSX, planned for late this year. The PSX will include a Digital Video Recorder (similar to TiVo) functionality; broadband Internet accessibility; wireless LAN functionality; and DVD read-write functionality. These features add approximately $500 per unit to the cost of production, resulting in an expected launch price of around $700. By late 2006, we expect the cost to include these features to decline to around $250, but speculate that the next generation console, should it include these features, could debut at $500. At this level, we believe that many consumers will be alienated."

What do you expect in your next gen console? What are you willing to spend on it?

[Miso]

I expect my next gen console to uh.. play a fucking game?

I don't need dvd recording functions or crazy hdd's unless my games need'em. And I don't want to pay more for stuff that isn't needed to basically play a game.

On another note, GC needs to really get thier games on internet multiplayer. Just got Zelda: Four Swords and the game is awesome but fuck me, trying to find 3 mates with a gba. That goes for FF: Crystal Chronicles too. Those games are like a bazillion times better with 3 other mates running around.

I can see how important it is for a GBA in those games because the gba displays character dialogue and other crap without interupting the game for the other players. but they can do exactly the same thing over the net and maybe with a microphone controller. DAMNIT NINTENDO!11

[joetron2030]

I will be trading in my Xbox and replacing it with another. I think I'm getting bit by the crappy DVD-ROM drives problem in some of the older Xboxes.

[sumtinsumtin]

i wanna a gamecube but got no time, i need a time machine, that should be a feature in a console, to freeze time so i can play as long as i want and not have to give up eating and sleeping and making money (the hard way if you know what i mean, wink wink )

[joetron2030]

Beware the "Star Wars Trilogy" DVD and Xboxes:

http://www.xbox-scene.com/xbox1data/sep/EpAVlAVpuZDrYOIHtX.php

[stinky]

Laymen's terms please.

[joetron2030]

"The extra features DVD is bad juju for the Xbox."

;)

[stinky]

Thanks....I think. :)

[joetron2030]

Ha! I guess I don't fully understand the consequences of a dashboard update (prompted or not) aside from on a system that's been modded.

That link I posted was to a forum, you could ask in there. ;)

[akuma]

i just ordered killer 7 for the cube cause i heard it looks better than the ps2 version; no surprise. i also ordered burnout 3 (ps2) and zelda "wind waker" (cube) for $20 each. i'm stoked.

[beanie]

im excited for you. anyone wanna trade games again, I got some more, that I'm not all too crazy about. ya knowz?

[herrokitty]

I'd be down, but I don't really have anything new.
metriod prime (first one)
wind waker
ssx tricky
sould calibur ii
mgs : twin snakes
animal crossing

[fad3r]

Anyone know where I can get a premodded XBox? I would like to use it as a network media streaming device.