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Shaftoe
09-11-2002, 12:00 PM
Kinda sick...

http://www.salon.com/mwt/feature/2002/09/11/forbidden_letters/index.html

Ryan
09-11-2002, 12:10 PM
and so goes human nature..
its not really all that messed up, when you think about how people try to compensate for their emotions sometimes *shrugs*

some of the entries seem like BS stories they made up after they heard about this...the calculator one especially :rolleyes:

Ryan
09-11-2002, 12:16 PM
this one was :(

"So, I remember feeling that people who weren't from New York were assholes. That they were interested in fetishizing my memories. Total strangers were probing deeply into the most terrifying experiences of my life and I hated them for it. Even my tears would not stop their questions. Even with my tears they could never understand."

Ryan
09-11-2002, 12:22 PM
one more

Driving home, I saw a bunch of people on a busy street corner. One of them was waving a big American flag and people were trying to get drivers to honk their horns. It was all I could do to keep from rolling down the window and shouting: "Thousands of people lost their lives, and you're acting like your team just won the World Series."

stryfe
09-11-2002, 12:23 PM
i dunno...i don't think they're sick.

i think they're human.

wnoodle
09-11-2002, 12:33 PM
Should I feel bad about agreeing with some of the letters?

fmstlr
09-11-2002, 12:36 PM
I would like to see Indian Casinos be built on the site of the former WTC and on the 5 arces meadow in PA where the other plane crashed.

It's about time the Americans experience the feeling of somebody paving and building on (sacred) grounds where love ones were buried.

That'd be poetic justice.

nikel
09-11-2002, 12:55 PM
i also chewed the gary condit thought, "life just got easier for him..."

another one was, "isn't today's moby's birthday?" :o

jinzoningen
09-11-2002, 01:00 PM
"Real black folks run"

Hardy-har-har. What a gas. That Jenga story killed the shit outta me too.

Good link!

Shaftoe
09-11-2002, 01:03 PM
Yeah, some of em I smirked at, some of 'em pissed me off. Agreed about the calculator one being BS.

The jenga one was funny. North Tower!

Asharak
09-11-2002, 01:05 PM
The "it was only white people" letter was pretty stupid. It wasn't just honkies who died.

Asharak
09-11-2002, 01:05 PM
http://www.salon.com/mwt/feature/2002/09/07/forbidden/index.html

Most of these "forbidden thoughts" were truly inappropriate and insensitive, but I did agree with the following:


"I volunteered downtown for a few weeks right afterwards with a group of actors. They put me in a coffee shop. Most of the people were doing it as a social outing, a way to get publicity, a way to make themselves important. There was a lot of talking on the cell phone. There were a lot of propositions. A 21-year-old national guardsman proposed to me.
"It was there where I started to hate cops and firemen. The cops in the middle of the night were kind and friendly and appreciated the coffee and the food and the company. We all shared being freaked out together. But come daybreak? A bunch of fat cops throwing our food around because it wasn't good enough -- we didn't have skim milk for coffee, or it wasn't the right kind of bread.
"I'm sure some people treat service people that way, but it was beyond my comprehension -- especially while they talked, not quietly, about retiring because they were making so much overtime and their pensions were based on their previous year's earnings. All while we stood out there all night for free making them hot coffee and soup.
"And really, what's all this shit about the fireman being heroes? That's their job, to be heroes. That's why they signed up. Once a month you go run into a burning building and grab a cat and the rest of the time you sit in the firehouse and play cards.
"I used to think all firemen were hot. I now think they are slimy. At least four times last October I was in a bar where a fireman was so forward and sleazy, saying things like 'It's been so hard. You can't believe it' while pawing me. I'm sure his buddy who died running into a building on fire would feel vindicated by this slimeball getting laid, but I'm not going to participate." -- Anne, 31, an advertising sales manager in New York

"I hated the New York Times profiles of all the deceased. It's just that everyone they wrote about -- all 2,000 people -- were depicted as really nice, really devoted parents who came home every night at 5 p.m. to make dinner, play with the kids, never missed a soccer game, and proposed to their girlfriend in a really sweet, creative way. I would read these profiles every day and think, yeah right. Was everyone in the WTC a super amazing person? Someone who worked there must have been an asshole." -- Female reporter at a major business magazine

"I know it's not PC right now to be sick of flag waving and 'God Bless America,' but I really, really am. I just feel like the whole thing has been cheapened by our culture's saturation of patriotism." -- Network news producer, 29, in New York

"Former mayor Rudolph Giuliani transformed from a crazed, intolerant zealot into a sensitive and compassionate leader. Wasn't his new subdued personality just the effect of his cancer medication?" -- An editor and writer in New York who served at least 2,000 meals and helped about 600 families file relief claims between September and New Year's

"The day of 9/11, [my friend and I] spoke frequently, as we always did, being that we were inseparably close. The next day she called and said that she was walking in her neighborhood and some 'Indians wearing saris' were walking down the street and she spit on them -- it was her patriotic duty. I was stunned. She continued to say that everyone at [her company] felt the way she did: that Indians were responsible and that they should all be sent back to their home countries.
"I tried explaining that India is predominantly Hindu and at that point they thought the terrorists were extreme Muslims from Afghanistan. She didn't seem to care at all. Incidentally, we no longer speak." -- Soozan Baxter, a 27-year-old Indian woman, who has since moved out of New York, recalling her close friend, a graduate of Stanford University

"I sort of felt, hey, they finally caught up to us. All the dirt the U.S. has thrown finally came back around to kick us hard where it hurts." -- Dave Elsaesser, 28, a work-readiness instructor at a San Francisco nonprofit

Zaius
09-11-2002, 01:08 PM
I'm just glad I'm not the only one who hates Lisa Beamer.

archonemis
09-11-2002, 01:19 PM
When I saw the towers go I remember wondering if it was going to be an event as remembered as Titanic or Hindenburg (sp). In retrospect I really didn't need to wonder that at all.

Asharak
09-11-2002, 01:20 PM
I liked Tim Link's sex store story.

yangnome
09-11-2002, 03:04 PM
My dirty thoughts...


Well, I also thought about the condit thing right away

Also, one thing that really bugs me.. The fact that people talk about all the people in the buildings and in the planes as heroes. They weren't heroes, just victims of circumstance; they were in the wrong place at the wrong time. That isn't to say that there weren't heroes in the buildings or on the planes that day. i am sure there are those that risked their own lives to help others out or those who attempted take down the terrorists hijacking the planes. Courage and heroism are born in these types of situations...BUT so is cowardice. I am sure there were just as many people ( I would guess more people, the cynic in me suggests the majority of people) who were only looking out for their own asses. Pushing people out of the way so they could get down the stairs faster, ignoring someone's calls for help, etc.
Granted, it is nice to think of a loved one dying in a heroic manner, but chances are it didn't happen that way for most of them. Crediting everyone who died as being a hero discredits those that overcame their fears and truely did perform heroic acts that day.

Asharak
09-11-2002, 03:34 PM
Originally posted by yangnome
My dirty thoughts...


Well, I also thought about the condit thing right away

Also, one thing that really bugs me.. The fact that people talk about all the people in the buildings and in the planes as heroes. They weren't heroes, just victims of circumstance; they were in the wrong place at the wrong time. That isn't to say that there weren't heroes in the buildings or on the planes that day. i am sure there are those that risked their own lives to help others out or those who attempted take down the terrorists hijacking the planes. Courage and heroism are born in these types of situations...BUT so is cowardice. I am sure there were just as many people ( I would guess more people, the cynic in me suggests the majority of people) who were only looking out for their own asses. Pushing people out of the way so they could get down the stairs faster, ignoring someone's calls for help, etc.
Granted, it is nice to think of a loved one dying in a heroic manner, but chances are it didn't happen that way for most of them. Crediting everyone who died as being a hero discredits those that overcame their fears and truely did perform heroic acts that day.

Exactly. Most of them were just in the wrong place at the wrong time. To me, the closest thing to real "heroes" were the firemen who died when the towers collapsed.

Some of those suits in the World Trade Center could've been getting blowjobs from their secretaries when the attacks happened for all we know.

jiggles
09-11-2002, 03:42 PM
Originally posted by janet

My ex, a New Yorker who'd moved to LA for the sake of our, by that point, utterly deteriorated relationship, urgently wished he had been there. Why? So his mother & I could worry ourselves sick over him? Was he going to crawl in there and pull people out? So he could jerk off at night to his own sense of victimization? I think he was genuinely angry that he had "missed out."

When something like this happens there does seem to be this need by many to feel like they are a part of it. I feel that people who are not in NY and didn't know anyone in NY when the event happened may be overreacting in some attempt to feel included. It was also a historic moment so one always want to be there when history is made.

I have to say that walking the streets immediately afterwards, I experienced for the first time a oneness with everybody else in the city. I saw everybody pulling together and helping eachother out and felt in tune with everybody around me. Amidst all the horror and chaos, it was a beautiful moment.

I was fortunate that no one I knew was hurt. I don't make any claims of being victimized that day nor do I feel particularly traumatized. Unfortunately, I think there are those who had nothing to do with the event that do feel victimized and in my opinion, it cheapens the experiences of those who really lost someone.

MethticaL
09-11-2002, 04:19 PM
In the days and weeks that followed the attacks I found myself worrying about the rescue dogs that were working the site. There were reports in the media almost daily about injuries to the dogs (and in some cases deaths) and I found myself wondering if it was really that important to recover things like concrete splashed with the victim's DNA.


-- Name withheld

poor dogs...

shawgirl74
09-11-2002, 04:30 PM
i'm with yangnome and waco jesus in that the only 'heroes' were the police and firemen who died trying to help all of the victims in the WTC, and the people in the plane that crashed in PA. this does not mean that i don't empathise with anyone who lost someone that day. i worried about my NY friends here on the boards, i agonized over friends that were missing, and i am so sorry that anyone had to die. although i said i wasn't going to turn on the tv today, i did, and i cried just like i did last year as i saw the events unfold on tv. the loss of human life is so sad.

recognizing and paying respect to the victims and their families is important to me. recognizing the individuals who died as members of the human race is important to me, not waving the flag on a street corner pretending like nothing was ever wrong with our government.


i do have very strong political views that i can't get rid of, and yes feel a bit guilty for in this time of remembering the tragedy. i was also thinking of all the 'terror warnings' that have been issued in the last few days, and thinking of how if i were a victim of a terrorist attack that i would not want to be considered an american hero--i wouldn't have died for my country, i would have died as a person who was in the wrong place at the wrong time.

i'm terribly sorry for anyone who lost friends or family, and to anyone who is feeling bad about the incredible loss of so many individuals. my heart goes out to you all...

mikeyinnyc
09-11-2002, 04:37 PM
"in theory, people are great"

shawgirl74
09-11-2002, 04:40 PM
people are like TOTALLY AWESOME



yeah.



no.

YelloKitty
09-11-2002, 06:06 PM
i haven't watched tv all day. i don't feel like crying.

Link
09-11-2002, 07:45 PM
I dunno if some of these should really be considered "forbidden 9/11 thoughts". Take for example what one guy said, "Thousands of people lost their lives, and you're acting like your team just won the World Series". Or the comment on the over-patriotism. I really do feel that people went overboard with the flag-waving after 9/11, and probably some of the same people are the kind of people who can't get over 9/11 and are able to inject it into like every topic. Actually, last year, I was very excited about what was going on. I felt that it was like a new experience, and that I should take in as much as possible. To me, at least for the first few hours, it was like going on a new roller coaster... up and down and whooshing right and left.

-minus_one
09-11-2002, 07:52 PM
i remember first hearing of a plane crash on the way to work (picking up cigarettes at a store) and it was so weird, being at work and knowing something big is going on. i finally turned the radio muzak station we were listening to news radio because i wanted to know what the hell was happening. hearing about the crashes was pretty scary, what would they hit next? i went home and watched the unfolding coverage for at least 6 hours, pretty much from the time i got home to when i went to bed. i thought about the 10 days i spent in nyc during a college field trip and how i went to the empire state building instead of the towers that day we were sightseeing.
a "forbidden" thought i had (i'm not proud of it) was that while i truly felt sad for what had happened, i was also really bummed that the airports had closed and flights weren't getting out, it meant all that much longer till i would see my girlfriend. you see, her dad was visiting from japan and he was to leave 3 days later or something. i wanted him to leave because while he was there i wouldn't be able to see her (our relationship was this "secret" thing from her parents). i hoped and prayed the airports would open and he could leave and i could see her again. i knew it was horribly selfish of me to feel that way but i couldn't help it.

phism
09-12-2002, 11:26 PM
i love terrorism. i was sad that more shit didn't blow up and lots of people didn't die.

someone i know: "we should have a 9-11 party and get together and play Jenga"

i was actually pretty apathetic about the whole thing in the first place except for that i knew we'd have an ignorant overzealous backlash at anyone brown. "we don't know who the culprit is yet, but he looks like this." - the united states was just lucky it didn't happen sooner, especially having such a cocky symbol of mercantilism such as the wtc. also, i hate people. i just hope someone nukes my city a few times.

Asharak
09-14-2002, 03:27 PM
http://pic1.picturetrail.com/VOL122/493842/751218/13562659.jpg

suresquared
09-15-2002, 01:05 AM
And I wonder what Gee Dubya's forbidden 9/11 thoughts are...

fmstlr
09-15-2002, 09:59 AM
Originally posted by Waco Jesus
http://pic1.picturetrail.com/VOL122/493842/751218/13562659.jpg

I lived in Iowa City for a couple years, yippees for hippees!!
Barefeet in the street anyone?

montyburnz
02-25-2004, 05:20 PM
House Speaker Dennis Hastert's forbidden thoughts: "Accountability to tragedy or re-election maneuvering. Hmmmm...."

"Congress appears unlikely to grant a two-month extension requested by the commission investigating the terrorist attacks of September 11, 2001, to finish its report."
http://www.cnn.com/2004/US/02/25/911.commission/index.html

Condoleezza Rice: "I sweat like a linebacker when I have to BS under pressure."

" Earlier Wednesday, the commission said national security adviser Condoleezza Rice had declined its request to testify at a public hearing next month."

There's plenty of blame to go around on 9/11
going back to Reagan. When Dubya was taking over, CIA chief George Tenet briefed Rice on the
Al Qaeda threat. He told her the White House should get a plan together pronto. She didn't hold meetings until 6-9 months later.

fmstlr
09-10-2006, 12:38 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MvNCygkO9To

Everything by Sondra is GOLD. Who needs OIL when you have GOLD right here in the beautiful wang of Florida?

35ft6
09-10-2006, 02:35 PM
I knew people who were happy they didn't have to work for a few days. I played tennis with one of these people. I wonder if this kind of self-centeredness is a good thing. If people were completely empathetic we would probably all be paralyzed by emotions.

SDP
09-10-2006, 04:05 PM
In the days following the attack I used to get into trouble with people - I hadn't known anyone killed in the towers, and was not prone to getting all teary-eyed over some strangers...If I did, I'd be crying all the time - the world sucks for a lot of people, kids are dying by the millions every year in Africa from diarrhea...

When people told me told me they "no longer felt safe" (this was in small town Indiana, where you're more likely to die from head-lice than a bombing), all I could think of is: "Well, welcome to the waking world. There is no safety. And your being asleep is one of the reasons these people are attacking us. The rest of the world exists! The things you read about in the news are real! Your government has been fucking with people and they've finally shown up to collect."

I never did get a car-flag.

shawgirl74
09-10-2006, 04:42 PM
I understand where you are coming from, and it's forced upon us to feel some kind of sadness and loss for citizens of our country, to not show it is to be excluded from Club USA. However, please do not mistake empathy for naivete.

There are some people who genuinely care for human life in general who are not propaganda consuming zombies.

fmstlr
09-10-2006, 04:49 PM
what does pura leche mean?

shawgirl74
09-10-2006, 05:09 PM
Nonsense!

shawgirl74
09-11-2006, 03:31 AM
My TV blackout day has been breached. My mother can't hear the tv so she blares it, and she gets up at 5 am. I started having nighmares about 9/11 and I woke up. I heard the tv and figured that I was hearing the shit in my sleep and that is what was causing it. Damn it! Going to try and keep it up for the rest of the day, though.

SDP
09-11-2006, 04:15 AM
Shaw, to help with your blocking here are pics of my friend's new puppy, Bei bei...

http://img221.imageshack.us/img221/5129/2903129255093oe6.jpg (http://imageshack.us)
http://img223.imageshack.us/img223/2420/2903129255092cb4.jpg (http://imageshack.us)
http://img215.imageshack.us/img215/4601/2903129255091mv7.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

shawgirl74
09-11-2006, 05:07 AM
aww, that is adorable!

Jack
09-11-2006, 05:21 AM
Ho shit, 9/11.

Well, I remember what was goi9ng on with me when it happened.

It got in from school.
Got online.
A friend of mine from Penang sent me this incoherent message about someone attacking America.
I didn't even switch on the TV.

9/11 was pretty big and pretty sad, y'know?
But the amount of bloodshed since then in the name of 9/11 against people whom there is no evidence to support their involvement as a whole, surely eclipses the amount of blood shed in the actual event.

Yes, I'm sad that a lot of people died because terrorists attacked the major symbol you had of your country. Apart from all the other ones.
But beyond that... It's all just Team America to me.

SDP
09-11-2006, 08:46 AM
Fox News Tonight:

7:00 pm: Ritual "Fellation of the Firemen", performed by Fox News commentators

9:30 pm: Ground Zero bonfire; immolation of the 9/11 Wives

11:00 pm: a Grateful Nation returns to its coma.

slackerbot
09-11-2006, 09:06 AM
i sympathize with everyone that was affected by the 9/11 terrorist attack. but it really sucks that it's going to be non-stop tv coverage of GWB flying to each of the locations, and giving his tired speeches about the war against terrorism and the war in Iraq and blah blah blah. it just adds insult to injury.

Iago
09-11-2006, 09:33 AM
Today, I started the day with bacon.

Then I bought:

1 Drosera falconeri
1 Drosera capillaris
1 Sarracenia purpurea ssp. purpurea
1 Sarracenia purp. 'ABG'

shawgirl74
09-11-2006, 09:37 AM
MSNBC is running a "living history", which means that they are running the coverage that they ran on 9/11. i wish we would stop with the self-vicitmization and focus on the fact that as much as it is horrible for people to have lost love ones, this shit isn't over and it's too soon to be reliving this 'history'. how about working to fix the problems at hand and turn over the tapes to the History Channel so they can keep them in a vault until the time is right. we're treating this like it's our problem and tragedy but really it's a tragedy of the entire world, that is still going on!

It's like getting up to give a eulogy at a funeral but instead of having anything good to say you just whip out your own dick and start sucking it.

If you're going to make a national spectacle of it, declare a holiday and give everyone time off "to grieve", because that is more honor than what the dead are getting anyway with this sensational bs.

SDP
09-11-2006, 09:40 AM
Originally posted by Iago
Today, I started the day with bacon.

Then I bought:

1 Drosera falconeri
1 Drosera capillaris
1 Sarracenia purpurea ssp. purpurea
1 Sarracenia purp. 'ABG'

But you also "support our troops", right?

Iago
09-11-2006, 09:43 AM
Originally posted by SDP


But you also "support our troops", right?

Only if they're hot, strapping, model looking specimen.

SDP
09-11-2006, 09:49 AM
It's rule now, whenever you criticize America, the government, or the war, you have to start with a disclaimer:

"I support our troops, but..."

"I don't support terrorism, but..."

"I think the terrorists are evil, but..."

"I'm not a goat-fucker, but..."




OK, that last one isn't so common.

SDP
09-11-2006, 09:50 AM
Originally posted by Iago


Only if they're hot, strapping, model looking specimen.

For you, I hope the next war is in the tropics, on the beach. Camouflage Speedos!

Shaftoe
09-11-2006, 10:52 AM
Originally posted by fmstlr
what does pura leche mean?

Umm... Pure milk? Or is it pure cream?

Shaftoe
09-11-2006, 10:54 AM
Originally posted by Jack
Ho shit, 9/11.


9/11 was pretty big and pretty sad, y'know?
But the amount of bloodshed since then in the name of 9/11 against people whom there is no evidence to support their involvement as a whole, surely eclipses the amount of blood shed in the actual event.


Great post, Jack.

Shaftoe
09-11-2006, 11:00 AM
http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c64/mamacags/bush_team_america.jpg

FUCK YEAH

puppy fields
09-11-2006, 11:19 AM
last few days have been like free advertising for the terrorists.

slackerbot
09-11-2006, 01:56 PM
um, ok. a representation of the US flag may or may not be the same thing as an actual flag, but one would think it's not a good idea to step on it either way.. especially if you're the President.

http://img371.imageshack.us/img371/7580/gwbsteppedonflagmn5.jpg

ocd
09-11-2006, 01:59 PM
It's pretty fitting. 911's been holding him up for his whole presidency.

35ft6
09-11-2006, 02:06 PM
^ Bravo. Yeah, lots of symbolism in that picture. Trampling on our Constitutional rights, etc.

puppy fields
09-11-2006, 02:23 PM
looks like a doormat

puppy fields
09-11-2006, 02:28 PM
so...watching this (http://abc.go.com/movies/thepathto911/index.html) has been pretty entertaining.

ocd
09-11-2006, 02:33 PM
Originally posted by puppy fields
so...watching this (http://abc.go.com/movies/thepathto911/index.html) has been pretty entertaining. Comparing the facts to that big pile of propagandic fiction has been interesting. I only caught a little bit.

puppy fields
09-11-2006, 02:44 PM
Originally posted by ocd
Comparing the facts to that big pile of propagandic fiction has been interesting. I only caught a little bit.

why bother comparing?

yes, by the way it's being presented it is an irresposible piece of film making. shame on ABC.

but the production values are pretty good and it is actually pretty entertaining to watch.

a lot of money went in to this thing.

ocd
09-11-2006, 02:48 PM
From whom? ABC's for profit, and they aren't going to dump millions into this thing without getting any back. I noticed there weren't even any ads. Someone else paid for this.

puppy fields
09-11-2006, 02:55 PM
Originally posted by ocd
From whom? ABC's for profit, and they aren't going to dump millions into this thing without getting any back. I noticed there weren't even any ads. Someone else paid for this.

1) shame on ABC for presenting this on the eve and day of the 5th anniversay of the attacks.

2) not sure who paid for this. good question.

35ft6
09-11-2006, 02:59 PM
^ If this happened in the Soviet Union, or Iraq, a movie re-writing key parts of history and making, say, Saddam look less guilty or something, the US people would see such a movie for what it is, propaganda. I'm hoping that even Bush supporters know by now that this administration is totally full of shit. On some level.

Jack
09-11-2006, 02:59 PM
Originally posted by Shaftoe


Great post, Jack.

I'm GWB's worst nightmare.
I'm not even American!

puppy fields
09-11-2006, 03:04 PM
Originally posted by ocd
From whom? ABC's for profit, and they aren't going to dump millions into this thing without getting any back. I noticed there weren't even any ads. Someone else paid for this.

one theory (http://maxblumenthal.blogspot.com/2006/09/discover-secret-right-wing-network.html) says it was produced by a group within ABC:

"Discover the Secret Right-Wing Network Behind ABC's 9/11 Deception

Less than 72 hours before ABC's "The Path to 9/11" is scheduled to air, the network is suddenly under siege. On Tuesday, ABC was forced to concede that "The Path to 9/11" is "a dramatization, not a documentary." The film deceptively invents scenes to depict former President Bill Clinton's handling of the Al Qaeda threat.

Now, ABC claims to be is editing those false sequences to satisfy critics so the show can go on -- even if it still remains a gross distortion of history. And as it does so, ABC advances the illusion that the deceptive nature of "The Path to 9/11" is an honest mistake committed by a hardworking but admittedly fumbling team of well-intentioned Hollywood professionals who wanted nothing less than to entertain America. But this is another Big Lie.

In fact, "The Path to 9/11" is produced and promoted by a well-honed propaganda operation consisting of a network of little-known right-wingers working from within Hollywood to counter its supposedly liberal bias. This is the network within the ABC network. Its godfather is far right activist David Horowitz, who has worked for more than a decade to establish a right-wing presence in Hollywood and to discredit mainstream film and TV production. On this project, he is working with a secretive evangelical religious right group founded by The Path to 9/11's director David Cunningham that proclaims its goal to "transform Hollywood" in line with its messianic vision.

Before The Path to 9/11 entered the production stage, Disney/ABC contracted David Cunningham as the film's director. Cunningham is no ordinary Hollywood journeyman. He is in fact the son of Loren Cunningham, founder of the right-wing evangelical group Youth With A Mission (YWAM). The young Cunningham helped found an auxiliary of his father's group called The Film Institute (TFI), which, according to its mission statement, is "dedicated to a Godly transformation and revolution TO and THROUGH the Film and Televisionindustry." As part of TFI's long-term strategy, Cunningham helped place interns from Youth With A Mission's "global training network" in film industry jobs "so that they can begin to impact and transform Hollywood from the inside out," according to a YWAM report.

Last June, Cunningham's TFI announced it was producing its first film, mysteriously titled "Untitled History Project." "TFI's first project is a doozy," a newsletter to YWAM members read. "Simply being referred to as: The Untitled History Project, it is already being called the television event of the decade and not one second has been put to film yet. Talk about great expectations!" (A web edition of the newsletter was mysteriously deleted yesterday but has been cached on Google at the link above).

The following month, on July 28, the New York Post reported that ABC was filming a mini-series "under a shroud of secrecy" about the 9/11 attacks. "At the moment, ABC officials are calling the miniseries 'Untitled Commission Report' and producers refer to it as the 'Untitled History Project,'" the Post noted.

Early on, Cunningham had recruited a young Iranian-American screenwriter named Cyrus Nowrasteh to
write the script of his secretive "Untitled" film. Not only is Nowrasteh an outspoken conservative, he is also a fervent member of the emerging network of right-wing people burrowing into the film industry with ulterior sectarian political and religious agendas, like Cunningham.

..."

35ft6
09-11-2006, 03:08 PM
I wonder what Steve Jobs thinks of all this. (I think he's Disney's single biggest shareholder)

FDM
09-11-2006, 03:14 PM
why are they making such a big fucking deal now that it's the 5th anniversary? everything's gotta be neat and clean for americans.....5th anniversary....10th anniversary......30th anniversary.

9/11 wasn't a fucking movie. it's a date that occurs every year. but just because something terrible happened on that date doesn't mean that we have to assign some kind of reverence to it.

now i'm wondering if the 30th anniversary of 9/11 will have the remastered director's cut, with Jar-Jar Binks and a full-bodied Jabba The Hutt flying planes into buildings just as the original hijackers had intended....sheesh.

puppy fields
09-11-2006, 03:14 PM
Originally posted by 35ft6
^ If this happened in the Soviet Union, or Iraq, a movie re-writing key parts of history and making, say, Saddam look less guilty or something, the US people would see such a movie for what it is, propaganda. I'm hoping that even Bush supporters know by now that this administration is totally full of shit. On some level.

Rush Limbaugh has been having a field day with this movie. I don't have much hope people will be able to tell which parts are true and not true. The movie starts off with the disclaimer it is not a documentary...but you gotta watch it...the presentation is so slick....the viewer would have no clue what is true or not.

This miniseries is pretty entertaining. I guess it could be called a guilty pleasure.

I think this is one of those things you have to experience yourself to judge.

FDM
09-11-2006, 03:19 PM
Originally posted by 35ft6
I wonder what Steve Jobs thinks of all this. (I think he's Disney's single shareholder)

man.....pixar, apple AND disney.....steve jobs is the illuminati.

puppy fields
09-11-2006, 03:25 PM
Originally posted by 35ft6
I wonder what Steve Jobs thinks of all this. (I think he's Disney's single shareholder)

yeah, he's the largest shareholder of disney stock.

FDM
09-11-2006, 03:27 PM
Originally posted by puppy fields


Rush Limbaugh has been having a field day with this movie. I don't have much hope people will be able to tell which parts are true and not true. The movie starts off with the disclaimer it is not a documentary...but you gotta watch it...the presentation is so slick....the viewer would have no clue what is true or not.

This miniseries is pretty entertaining. I guess it could be called a guilty pleasure.

I think this is one of those things you have to experience yourself to judge.

http://www.hdbeat.com/media/2006/01/jack_bauer.jpg
"somebody set us up the bomb."

puppy fields
09-11-2006, 03:32 PM
Originally posted by funkydrunknmonk


http://www.hdbeat.com/media/2006/01/jack_bauer.jpg
"somebody set us up the bomb."

you gotta watch it...it is way better then "24".

what else can i say?

yes, "24" is fiction. This miniseries...is deceptive.

The miniseries is also entertaining.

AddictProne
09-11-2006, 04:12 PM
scandal = ratings.

FDM
09-11-2006, 04:38 PM
a little too late to start petitioning against it's airing, but...

http://pol.moveon.org/abcdoc/?id=8709-4442430-EvRMiczA9LxWVoXS_7oWvg&t=4

apparently a "right wing activist" wrote and produced the miniseries, so i'm guessing this is a mostly privately financed production.

"The Path to 9/11" is a partisan movie, written and produced by a right-wing activist who fabricated key scenes to blame Democrats and defend Republicans.

The movie appears to be part of a coordinated push -- including speeches by President Bush and millions of dollars in advertising -- to exploit the five-year anniversary of 9/11 for political gain.

ABC must not air partisan propaganda on 9/11.

it doesn't name names, of course. but i'm sure we could imdb up that info fairly quick.

montyburnz
09-11-2006, 05:04 PM
I'm all for accuracy and fairness in a 9/11 docudrama.

I just find it comical that the legacy the Clinton Administration is trying to protect isn't anything to be proud of:

Khobar Towers. Al-Qaeda or Iran bomb our troops in Saudi Arabia. The Saudis round up the bad guys and lop off their heads before the FBI can interrogate. Oh well...

Embassy bombings & the USS Cole is blasted. Lob a few cruise missiles at a training camp. Now they know we mean business!

Check out Frontline's documentary on FBI agent John O'neill.
He saw the threat of Al-Qaeda and no one would listen to him (he wasn't without baggage.) He died on 9/11 as the security chief of the Twin Towers.

There's plenty of blame to go around. Start with Bush Sr. winning the Cold War and forgetting there was a world.

charlie bucket
09-11-2006, 05:26 PM
http://www.bluestreakdesign.co.uk/images/b3ta/sky.jpg

SDP
09-11-2006, 06:10 PM
Originally posted by 35ft6
I wonder what Steve Jobs thinks of all this. (I think he's Disney's single biggest shareholder)

Steve Jobs? I'd pay money to know what Osama Bin Laden thinks of it...

Iago
09-11-2006, 06:15 PM
So far, I haven't been following any of the coverage. I patched up a friendship and practically met 50% of my crazy friends through that event. Also one of the key clients of the agency I was doing a lot of work for lost most of their workforce that day... so I cannot say that I have not been affected on some level.

I was and still am quite cynical of the news coverage. I refuse to let CNN dominate my life with their bullshit reporting.

Garlic
09-11-2006, 08:15 PM
http://img179.imageshack.us/img179/1110/1155456196299dr9.jpg

Garlic
09-11-2006, 08:18 PM
http://img216.imageshack.us/img216/8915/1155456291065ax4.jpg

Garlic
09-11-2006, 08:20 PM
http://img171.imageshack.us/img171/899/1155456415195hr2.jpg

Eric Nakamura
09-11-2006, 11:56 PM
I dunno why, but I want the BS to dominate.

Originally posted by Iago
So far, I haven't been following any of the coverage. I patched up a friendship and practically met 50% of my crazy friends through that event. Also one of the key clients of the agency I was doing a lot of work for lost most of their workforce that day... so I cannot say that I have not been affected on some level.

I was and still am quite cynical of the news coverage. I refuse to let CNN dominate my life with their bullshit reporting.

SDP
09-12-2006, 04:51 AM
OK...but don't complain when others start to complain about the smell.

ocd
09-12-2006, 09:48 AM
Originally posted by montyburnz
I'm all for accuracy and fairness in a 9/11 docudrama.

I just find it comical that the legacy the Clinton Administration is trying to protect isn't anything to be proud of:

Khobar Towers. Al-Qaeda or Iran bomb our troops in Saudi Arabia. The Saudis round up the bad guys and lop off their heads before the FBI can interrogate. Oh well...

Embassy bombings & the USS Cole is blasted. Lob a few cruise missiles at a training camp. Now they know we mean business!

Check out Frontline's documentary on FBI agent John O'neill.
He saw the threat of Al-Qaeda and no one would listen to him (he wasn't without baggage.) He died on 9/11 as the security chief of the Twin Towers.

There's plenty of blame to go around. Start with Bush Sr. winning the Cold War and forgetting there was a world. The Clinton administration isn't saying that they're without blame, they are talking about specific incidents that are in the "docudrama" which never occured, and are blatantly trying to make them look irresponsible and overly focussed on the Lewinski incident, for example. They didn't do everything right, far from it, but they're also being accused of crimes they did not commit.

GONG_LORD
09-12-2006, 10:01 AM
Every Sept. 11th anniversary I become a supporter for the war for one day. The New York images are very powerful tools.

puppy fields
09-12-2006, 10:05 AM
Originally posted by montyburnz
I'm all for accuracy and fairness in a 9/11 docudrama.

so...the second part wasn't as interesting as the first.

it was weird that the one character they didn't focus on during the attacks was Bush. And...yes...I know he was in that class reading a kid's book. They did try to recreate what was going on in the whitehouse. And it was all panic.

it's also weird, 5 years later, nobody ever got fired over this.

...

anyways...the film "United 93" was much better in recreating events then this miniseries.

SDP
09-12-2006, 10:06 AM
Originally posted by GONG_LORD
Every Sept. 11th anniversary I become a supporter for the war for one day. The New York images are very powerful tools.

Why would an attack by fundamentalist Saudis lead you to support a war against Afghans and Iraqis?

will
09-12-2006, 10:12 AM
I liked the comment about 9-11 leading Americans to think of themselves as now the world's #1 victims..

We're a nation of drug-addicted, well-armed pychos, hopped up on skittles, SUV's and girls gone wild. Fear Us.

ocd
09-12-2006, 10:15 AM
Originally posted by will
We're a nation of drug-addicted, well-armed pychos, hopped up on skittles, SUV's and girls gone wild. Fear Us. :heart: :heart: :heart: :heart: :heart: !

will
09-12-2006, 10:17 AM
Well, the truth hurts..:-)

fmstlr
09-12-2006, 10:19 AM
swell time to let the people who brought you Jesus Camp* to help the government fix these problems of our nation.









*Jesus Camp, - the camp, not the movie.

SDP
09-12-2006, 10:20 AM
I still think most people are afraid to bring up the real reason 9/11 should have changed America...which is that it was proof that the rest of the world exists, and is not just an afterthought on the evening news. The things our government does overseas can have consequences here at home. Whether you agree with US foreign policy or not,
it's dangerous to just assume that we are bulletproof.

And another thing people won't say: we can't always have things our own way. Especially when it's in someone else's country.

puppy fields
09-12-2006, 10:25 AM
Originally posted by SDP
I still think most people are afraid to bring up the real reason 9/11 should have changed America...which is that it was proof that the rest of the world exists, and is not just an afterthought on the evening news. The things our government does overseas can have consequences here at home. Whether you agree with US foreign policy or not,
it's dangerous to just assume that we are bulletproof.

And another thing people won't say: we can't always have things our own way. Especially when it's in someone else's country.

I think the CIA calls it "blowback"...the unintended consequences of covert US foreign policies.

I don't think it's fear that stops it from being a topic of national discussion.

*edit - forgot to add the word "covert"

ocd
09-12-2006, 10:27 AM
Originally posted by puppy fields
I don't think it's fear that stops it from being a topic of national discussion. I'll have to disagree with this, for a portion of the population.

For these people, when they're scared, their instinct is to go to their leader, their daddy, for protection. And daddy can do no wrong. Why have a discussion when daddy's in charge?

puppy fields
09-12-2006, 10:37 AM
Originally posted by ocd
I'll have to disagree with this, for a portion of the population.

For these people, when they're scared, their instinct is to go to their leader, their daddy, for protection. And daddy can do no wrong. Why have a discussion when daddy's in charge?

well...I was thinking of the governement and the media.

SDP
09-12-2006, 10:39 AM
Originally posted by puppy fields


I think the CIA calls it "blowback"...the unintended consequences of covert US foreign policies.

I don't think it's fear that stops it from being a topic of national discussion.

*edit - forgot to add the word "covert"


How can the fact that when we treat people like shit (or even when they think we do), that they get mad at us, be an unforseen consequence?

I agree it's not fear - it's an arrogance so great that to even admit that we are wrong is beyond people. We are god's people! We are the chosen! They are barbarians! They are beneath our notice, and ought to thank us for even admitting they exist!

Well, even barbarians have their day, when the empire gets clueless enough.

puppy fields
09-12-2006, 10:44 AM
Originally posted by montyburnz
Check out Frontline's documentary on FBI agent John O'neill.
He saw the threat of Al-Qaeda and no one would listen to him (he wasn't without baggage.) He died on 9/11 as the security chief of the Twin Towers.

I know Den gives me shit about this...

I recommend people interested in this topic to go rent and watch why we fight (http://www.sonyclassics.com/whywefight/).

It's not what most people think it is, a leftist rant about how bad america is, it isn't like that, the filmmakers interview many people across the political spectrum, and traces in a objective way how the heck we got here.

It's cool to be exposed to some of these people, because a lot of them have written books on the topic and you can start building a reading list...if you're interested in the topic.

puppy fields
09-12-2006, 10:46 AM
Originally posted by SDP
How can the fact that when we treat people like shit (or even when they think we do), that they get mad at us, be an unforseen consequence?

Arrogance?

* edit

oh wait...you already said arrogance.

Lack of foresight?

One theory is that 9/11 was the result of training and funding the Mujahideen in Afghanistan during Soviet occupation. "The largest covert operation in CIA history".

Not many people ever thought that some of them would turn on the US.

ocd
09-12-2006, 10:58 AM
Originally posted by puppy fields
Not many people ever thought that some of them would turn on the US. It's funny, isn't it? Because almost every single time someone backs a rebellion like this, they turn around and bite the hand that fed them at the first opportunity. Seriously, almost batting a thousand. You'd think they'd start noticing this.

sumtinsumtin
09-12-2006, 10:59 AM
Originally posted by puppy fields


Arrogance?

* edit

oh wait...you already said arrogance.

Lack of foresight?

One theory is that 9/11 was the result of training and funding the Mujahideen in Afghanistan during Soviet occupation. "The largest covert operation in CIA history".

Not many people ever thought that some of them would turn on the US.





rambo III is proof of america's involvement.

SDP
09-12-2006, 11:14 AM
Originally posted by ocd
It's funny, isn't it? Because almost every single time someone backs a rebellion like this, they turn around and bite the hand that fed them at the first opportunity. Seriously, almost batting a thousand. You'd think they'd start noticing this.

A lot of times, it's because the liberators decide that the locals aren't up to governing themselves after the original oppressors have been driven out. The Phillipines is a good example of this. Iraq looks like another.

Iago
09-12-2006, 12:59 PM
Originally posted by Eric Nakamura
I dunno why, but I want the BS to dominate.



You must have a thing for Anderson Cooper too. It happens to the best of us.

35ft6
09-12-2006, 01:29 PM
Originally posted by SDP


How can the fact that when we treat people like shit (or even when they think we do), that they get mad at us, be an unforseen consequence?

I agree it's not fear - it's an arrogance so great that to even admit that we are wrong is beyond people. We are god's people! We are the chosen! They are barbarians! They are beneath our notice, and ought to thank us for even admitting they exist! My friend actually said on Saturday night, after I asked him if the latest reports of the CIA stating there was no connection between Saddam and al qaeda changed his mind AT ALL about the Iraq war, which he supports, he actually said "America is good and whatever we do is okay." Yeah, he's not very bright.

ocd
09-12-2006, 01:46 PM
Originally posted by 35ft6
My friend actually said on Saturday night, after I asked him if the latest reports of the CIA stating there was no connection between Saddam and al qaeda changed his mind AT ALL about the Iraq war, which he supports, he actually said "America is good and whatever we do is okay." Yeah, he's not very bright. OMG.
:(

will
09-13-2006, 02:57 PM
Originally posted by 35ft6
My friend actually said on Saturday night, after I asked him if the latest reports of the CIA stating there was no connection between Saddam and al qaeda changed his mind AT ALL about the Iraq war, which he supports, he actually said "America is good and whatever we do is okay." Yeah, he's not very bright.

Some moran wrote a letter to the editor of the local paper in my hometown in GA, basically saying that we should follow the wise example of W, "the best president in two centuries."


I don't know, I think I'm going with Jefferson or Lincoln for that particular honor.

shawgirl74
09-13-2006, 03:03 PM
I call dibs on Chester Alan Arthur!

ocd
09-13-2006, 03:08 PM
William Harrison! He's like a presidential snack.

kingka
09-16-2006, 07:57 PM
http://www.revver.com/view.php?id=59686

FDM
09-16-2006, 09:07 PM
http://www.porkolt.com/other/phone/call/wtc/world/trade/center/911/kevin+cosgrove/phone-call-from-wtc-911-3763.html

FDM
09-17-2006, 02:40 PM
for the umpteenth time, keith olbermann lays the motherfucking smackdown. (http://www.videosift.com/story.php?id=10557&where=index)

kingka
09-17-2006, 08:50 PM
Originally posted by funkydrunknmonk
http://www.porkolt.com/other/phone/call/wtc/world/trade/center/911/kevin+cosgrove/phone-call-from-wtc-911-3763.html

:(

'jim
09-17-2006, 09:41 PM
New life goal: don't die while bitching on cellphone.

:(@sex ads on that page.

SDP
09-18-2006, 04:56 AM
Finally, a warning system that means something:

http://img214.imageshack.us/img214/6452/deathdi2.gif (http://imageshack.us)


The numbers indicate the number of people who have died from each of the causes over an 11 year period.