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Rad Rockin Rikku
12-19-2002, 04:18 PM
Lets make list.

My number 1?
The Escapades of Futura 2000.

retromullet
12-19-2002, 06:27 PM
Daisy Dukes.

And "Tricky" by Run DMC.

And "White Lines" by Flash and the Furious Five.

-minus_one
12-19-2002, 06:41 PM
"paid in full" eric b & rakim
"the bridge is over" bdp
"cause i'm housing" epmd
"rock the bells" ll cool j
"signifying rapper" schooly d
"my 98" public enemy
"roxanne roxanne" utfo

slackerbot
12-19-2002, 06:44 PM
no particular order...

JJ Fad - Supersonic
Eric B and Rakim - Paid in Full
Run DMC - My Adidas
Malcom Maclaren - Buffalo Girls
Afrika Bambatta - Planet Rock
Grand Master Flash - The Message

there's a lot more, but i can't think of any. i just got back from the gym and my blood hasn't returned to my brain yet. :p

eengn
12-19-2002, 07:13 PM
Rockstead Crew - Rocksteady
Mr Magic - ??? (forgot the name)

mobs
12-19-2002, 07:41 PM
my philosophy-BDP

hondo
12-20-2002, 02:19 AM
beat bop - k rob and rammlezee
marley marl - the symphony
Kane - RAW
flash -the message

like most, i know there are tons more, but right now, my mind is playing blankety blank....
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ninjaKid
12-20-2002, 04:41 AM
so watcha sayin, the big paypack - epmd
i know you got soul - eric b and rakim
ain't no half steppin - big daddy kane
the vapors, nobody beats the biz - biz markie
punks jump up to get beat down, slow down, all 4 one - brand nubian
crooklyn - crooklyn dodgers
buddy - de la soul
left my wallet in el segundo, luck of lucien - atcq

shoot, tons more. browse my hip-hop folder on soulseek.

-ad

hondo
12-20-2002, 04:54 AM
http://www.nobodysmiling.com/portal/media_portal.shtml


check that shit out!
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sonatine
12-20-2002, 11:31 AM
i like big butts and i cannot lie
you other brothers cannot deny

Rad Rockin Rikku
12-20-2002, 11:37 AM
"nobody beats the biz"
mustnt forget Kurtis Blow: Tough, 8 million stories
Sugarhill Gang: Rappers delight
or Whodini: freaks come out at night
word.

remotecontrolalligator
12-20-2002, 11:38 AM
plug tunnin - de la soul]
time's up - OC (old enough?)
raise it up, we are the horsemen - ultramagnetic
looking out the front door - main source
step right on- young disciples
the funkiest (uh oh) - funkdoobiest

remotecontrolalligator
12-20-2002, 11:40 AM
Originally posted by ninjaKid

lluck of lucien - atcq

-ad

LE POOPOO!

kimchi_girl
12-20-2002, 04:23 PM
A few of my favorites. Some old, some not so old....

White Lines - Grandmaster Flash
Say No Go - De La Soul
It Takes Two - Rob Base/DJ E-Z Rock
Rapper's Delight - Sugarhill Gang
Show - Doug E. Fresh/Slick Rick
Choice Is Yours - Black Sheep
P.S.K. What Does It Mean? - Schoolly D
Treat 'Em Right - Chubb Rock
It's Tricky - Run DMC
Elevate My Mind - Stereo MCs

ninjaKid
12-22-2002, 12:06 AM
wrong side of the tracks - artifacts
recognized thresholds of negative stress - boogiemonsters
how i could just kill a man - cypress hill
shwingalokate - de la soul

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stinky
12-22-2002, 01:47 PM
Oaktown 357 - Juicy drive you crazy

Rad Rockin Rikku
12-26-2002, 08:51 AM
Square dance rap almost made me pee.

DJ LunchBox
12-30-2002, 08:46 PM
hmmm................
Children's Story-SLick Rick
Planet Rock-AB&SSF
My Mind's Playing Tricks on Me-Ghetto Boys
Back to the Hotel-N2Deep
My Posse's on Broadway-Sir Mix A Lot(?)
Me So Horny- 2 Live Crew
Paul Revere & High Plains Drifter- Beastie Boys

Aser
01-22-2003, 10:53 PM
Randall's got the right frame of mind, some of you guys are naming songs that are way too new........I guess I feel like an old bastard.

hmm....favourites include

TJ Swann "And You Know This"
Ultramagnetic MC's "Give The Drummer Some"
T Ski Valley "Catch The Beat"
Cold Crush Bros "Fresh, Wild, Fly, & Bold"
Crash Crew "High Powered Rap"
Kool G Rap & Polo "Poison"

bassett
01-23-2003, 05:11 AM
'we rap more mellow' younger generation (flash and furious 5). randalls got it. top list....

tonybricker
01-23-2003, 08:13 AM
some of these are way older than others

biz markie- nobody beats the biz, just a friend
digital underground- whole sex packets album
pete rock & CL smooth- T.R.O.Y.
nice & smooth- sometimes I rhyme slow
run dmc- mary mary, tricky
eric b & rakim- know the ledge, sweat the technique, eric b for president
gangstarr- ex girl to next girl, dj premier in deep concentration

daft_crunk
01-23-2003, 08:18 AM
Originally posted by ninjaKid
wrong side of the tracks - artifacts
recognized thresholds of negative stress - boogiemonsters
how i could just kill a man - cypress hill
shwingalokate - de la soul

-ad



WHOAH THIS IS OLD SCHOOL? i must be gettin old :(

daft_crunk
01-23-2003, 08:22 AM
KOOL G RAP - cuz i'm fresh
SCHOOLY D- PSK-
EPMD & LL COOL J-rampage
BIG DADDY KANE- smooth operator
BIZ MARKIE- nobody beats the biz
PRINCE RAKEEM (RZA)- we love you rakeem
LL COOL J- can't live without my radio
RUN DMC- you talk too much
INTELLLIGENT HOODLUM- arrest the president
BIGGIE SMALLS- party n' bullshit
GRAND DADDY IU- something new

shawn_k
01-23-2003, 08:31 AM
HASHIM - Al-Naafiysh (The Soul)
Whodini-Five Minutes of Funk
Flash-Scorpio
Man Parrish-Boogie Down Bronx
Sugar Hill Gang-8th Wonder

shawn_k
01-23-2003, 08:52 AM
forgot a couple
whistle-just buggin'
break boys-two three break
jonzun crew-pac jam
treacherous three-heartbeat

bassett
01-23-2003, 08:59 AM
seeing the break boys reminded me of davy dmx : one for the treble (f-r-e-s-h-h-h)

randall fairbrook
12-20-2006, 11:20 PM
top billin - audio two
treat em right - chubb rock
cars that go boom - l'trimm
sally (that girl) gucci crew II
have a nice day - roxanne shante
the breaks - kurtis blow
the power - chill rob g
cinderfella - dana dane
the adventures of super rhymes - jimmy spicer
cold getting dumb - just ice
played like a piano - king tee
it's a demo - kool g rap and dj polo
this cut's got flavor - latee
it's yours - t rocks

dragon chic
12-21-2006, 12:15 PM
this is the greatest thread ever - thank you rad! everyone pulled together and listed the best of the best. tricky and planet rock are mama's favorites!!

650lex
12-21-2006, 12:56 PM
I'm still a sucker for:
Eric B. and Rakim's Paid in Full/ I Wanna Know What's On Your Mind
Public Enemy - Don't Believe the Hype
LL Cool J - Around the Way Girl
Gangstar - Ex Girl to the Next
Ed O.G. and the Bulldogs - I Got to Have It
Will Smith aka Fresh Prince - Summertime
Black Sheep - The Choice is Yours/Blue Cheese
Arrested Development - Tennesse/People Everyday
Digital Underground - Do Whatchya Like/Humpty Dance
Tribe - Bonita Applebum
De La Soul - Buddy
Beastie Boys - Paul Revere/Brass Monkey
Mc Lyte - Roughneck/Cappuccino/Poor Georgie/Cha Cha Cha
JJ FAD - Supersonic
Sir Mix alot - My Posses on Broadway
and a whole lot more that I know I'm forgetting

Denstradamus
12-21-2006, 01:00 PM
MC Shan - The Bridge
The Juice Crew - Symphony
Afrika Bambaataa & the Soulsonic Force - Planet Rock

Denstradamus
12-21-2006, 01:04 PM
Originally posted by dragon chic
this is the greatest thread ever - thank you rad! everyone pulled together and listed the best of the best. tricky and planet rock are mama's favorites!!


if you ask me, Planet Rock is the official song of the old school. it's the song that gave birth to 50 genres.

650lex
12-21-2006, 01:06 PM
Originally posted by Denstradamus



if you ask me, Planet Rock is the official song of the old school. it's the song that gave birth to 50 genres.

good call!

ghostdog75
12-21-2006, 02:13 PM
OMG, Planet Rock. Takes me back to the 6th grade. Awesome.

dragon chic
01-04-2007, 11:13 PM
hi dener - i think you're right! i'm reading the monster book of hip hop - can't stop/won't stop. it has a lot of great bambatta info in it.


my hearts golden dream come true in the future:

the highlight of my life will be the celebrity soul train old school 80's hip hop event!! rock steady crew style!:heart: this is what mama lives for!

BOON
01-04-2007, 11:31 PM
Originally posted by Denstradamus



if you ask me, Planet Rock is the official song of the old school. it's the song that gave birth to 50 genres.

Hmmm....like which ones?

And what do you guys consider old school, now days?

To me, old school will always be up to the Golden Age, maybe?

I always think of the simple ghetto on the shoulder, gold chain and shit thing: Microphone Fiend for me maybe....then maybe the Message, BAD, I go to Work, Tricky, Paul Revere....

dragon chic
01-19-2007, 02:38 AM
hey guys - did anyone mention "egyptian lover"? i love that song!

CaptainPajamaShark
01-19-2007, 09:21 AM
Originally posted by dragon chic
hey guys - did anyone mention "egyptian lover"? i love that song!

egyptian lover rules. the "egypt, egypt" 12" is a classic.

some of my faves:

biz markie - goin' off
eric b & rakim - follow the leader
3rd bass - steppin' to the a.m.
run dmc - rock box
man parrish - hip hop be bop
west street mob - break dance (electric boogie)
funky 4 + 1 - that's the joint
LL Cool J - i'm that type of guy
sir mixalot - seminar

dragon chic
01-19-2007, 06:56 PM
mechy you stole mama's heart!!!

lakeside resort
01-19-2007, 07:05 PM
Main Source

CaptainPajamaShark
01-20-2007, 03:50 PM
not a rap song but deserving enough to be listed here:

shannon - let the music play

gives me goosebumps everytime I hear this.

dragon chic
01-20-2007, 05:47 PM
my love for shannon is endless - and she can still sing, just like back in the day! you have excellent taste, mechy.

nagasawa
11-28-2007, 03:20 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IDNf0CXTr_8

Foehammer
11-28-2007, 04:00 PM
Did anyone say jam on it?
Or du ha, duh haaa?
I miss those songs

randall fairbrook
11-28-2007, 06:34 PM
titwillow, titwillowwww..arethafranklinarethafranklinarethafranklin.....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2bAOnzIu70k

FDM
11-28-2007, 06:37 PM
gil scott-heron's "the revolution will not be televised" is so fucking old school it doesn't even fucking rhyme.

stinky
11-28-2007, 07:18 PM
Mr. Big Stuff - Heavy D
Cappuccino - MC Lyte
Cars that go Boom - L'Trimm

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BaeNelsAOGo

randall fairbrook
11-28-2007, 07:25 PM
Originally posted by funkydrunknmonk
gil scott-heron's "the revolution will not be televised" is so fucking old school it doesn't even fucking rhyme.

i dig his whitey on the moon monologue and also "the bottle"

tfinlayson19
12-03-2007, 10:13 AM
if you haven't heard New Rap Language by the Treacherous Three and Spoonie Gee, you've got to give it a try.

and i've always really loved Lady Day and John Coltrane by Gil-Scott Heron (though its not a rap song at all.)

Denstradamus
12-03-2007, 11:04 AM
Originally posted by tfinlayson19


and i've always really loved Lady Day and John Coltrane by Gil-Scott Heron (though its not a rap song at all.)


It kinda bugs me when people call Gil-Scott Heron hip hop. Like just because he rhymed and he's black he's a forerunner of hip hop.

Don't get me wrong, he's great but I think he's more poet-beatnik tradition than hip hop.

He did finally effect hip hop (through Public Enemy and the black consciousness rap music of the late 80s and early 90s), but he's not proto-rap he's a poet in my opnion.

Anyone remember "Superrhymes"?

grandpa_shig
12-03-2007, 12:10 PM
i think the person was just being topical. i mean, isnt that lady day song an actual song? like with singing? i could be wrong tho.

'jim
12-03-2007, 12:34 PM
Shakespeare - Hamlet

'jim
12-03-2007, 12:37 PM
Posse cut.

5.92
12-03-2007, 04:31 PM
LA Dream Team - Dream team's in the house.
Also this video
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2EI37ku9bIs

Did anyone mention this one?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HCIiBQ3xrDU&feature=related

Or this one?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bVxySuP-CgA&feature=related

I love these guys...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jry-1kvrEjE&feature=related

5.92
12-03-2007, 04:53 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BH6D4LvYZwA&feature=related

I love the break over Nautilus by Bob James slowed up.

5.92
12-03-2007, 04:59 PM
My new favorite video...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KBoTj5hbyuk&feature=related
Straight hip hop

grandpa_shig
12-03-2007, 05:18 PM
ohsnap! this aint old school but it brings me back

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v8Ik_9MHVig

black dynasty DEEP EAST!

5.92
12-15-2007, 04:44 PM
bump

grandpa_shig
12-15-2007, 05:28 PM
FUCK YEAH!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cLXI0vLKzaw

grandpa_shig
01-05-2008, 11:38 AM
i was clearing out some of my 45s and forgot about this gem!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jAZqtf5wHdo

grandpa_shig
01-05-2008, 11:45 AM
i went to a lowrider cruise nite thing here and this shit killed it!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6aO45IxvYgo

5.92
01-05-2008, 01:12 PM
^damn!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wVNnBlppvlI
I wish they had a video for this classic. I played this out recently and people went apeshit.

5.92
01-25-2008, 03:26 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hsk5rNFGBko&feature=related

5.92
01-25-2008, 03:29 PM
Not old school but dope nonetheless
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zrOsQoL_tAQ&feature=related

5.92
01-25-2008, 03:30 PM
This remix owns
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t_myB2QZ-t4&feature=related

5.92
01-25-2008, 03:32 PM
It's like I'm making a mix here
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=43LBoXllJKY

5.92
01-25-2008, 03:35 PM
Remember this bay area classic?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DSHZbd9L50M

Best rap group name ever....

5.92
01-25-2008, 03:42 PM
I can do this all day
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OC_aFkfFpSY

BOON
01-29-2008, 10:40 PM
This is for La Raza: http://youtube.com/watch?v=5lbdMjJyRn4
I actually love how this song is straight latin jazz without too much heavy overpowering beats.

The scariest looking hip hop crew eva, not sure how old this song actually is but still west coast old school gangsta beat: http://youtube.com/watch?v=556KHm5hbgI
This is one of their original tracks i think: http://youtube.com/watch?v=tt7wRuXzLWk

BOON
01-29-2008, 10:43 PM
More west coast gangsta classics:

http://youtube.com/watch?v=vO7w2zROqwQ

http://youtube.com/watch?v=SpiH2DIeavk

http://youtube.com/watch?v=izB85LUlygE

http://youtube.com/watch?v=eesO0ftCGRI

And remember the big anti-gang posse track (west):
http://youtube.com/watch?v=wXGgWf2lacM

(east):
http://youtube.com/watch?v=jxyYP_bS_6s

BOON
01-29-2008, 10:51 PM
The Pacino/DeNiro collab of hip hop?

http://youtube.com/watch?v=gLgXpY7F4ok

CaptainPajamaShark
02-12-2008, 03:10 PM
anyone know if Public Enemy are ever going to reissue/remaster any of their older albums? I neeeeeeeeeeed!!

grandpa_shig
02-12-2008, 03:33 PM
Originally posted by CaptainPajamaShark
anyone know if Public Enemy are ever going to reissue/remaster any of their older albums? I neeeeeeeeeeed!!

on vinyl? prolly not. yeah, those lp length joints were so shitty. shoulda been at least a double vinyl for that many tracks.

CaptainPajamaShark
02-12-2008, 05:46 PM
preferably cd. I think yo, bumrush the show was remastered and reissued on vinyl in the UK but the earlier cd's are long overdue for a cd reissue.

grandpa_shig
02-12-2008, 05:59 PM
why would the cd need a reissue? was the sound quality as horrible as the vinyl releases or something? doesnt def jam still print these things up?

CaptainPajamaShark
02-12-2008, 06:10 PM
I don't have any of them on vinyl and i'd rather have the cd anyways. I'm pretty sure the sound quality was pretty bad, and besides, most old hip hop albums have been reissued/remastered at some point. it'd be nice to see the entire PE back catalog reissued

grandpa_shig
02-12-2008, 06:22 PM
i am saying. i dont believe this cd is out of print. you can still get it at amazon or where evers im sure.

but yeah, some of these old rap cd's have really really bad sound quality. or maybe im just used to the new digital sound engineering thing.

BOON
02-12-2008, 06:47 PM
what do you guys consider old school now?

do you consider the first nas/jigga/wutang/biggie records all old school now even though it was the beginning of a new era?

for me, the old school tag stopps in the early 90s with the native tongue era maybe - pete rock, brand nubian, etc too maybe?

randall fairbrook
02-12-2008, 08:23 PM
it has to be pre-humpty hump

FDM
02-12-2008, 08:50 PM
the beginning of the "new school" for me was the advent of gangsta rap, NWA breaking, then Dre, Snoop and Cube becoming solo artists.

so i'd say old school is anything before gangsta rap. if you wanna put a date on it, i'll say pre-88.

unfortunately that leaves not a whole lot left that i can offer. i was 6 in 1988.

BOON
02-12-2008, 11:19 PM
Humpty was like 92 or 91?

But the golden age is usually considered from like 86/87 to 89, innit? There was still real old school stuff that happened past 88, no?

Btw, what does "advent" mean, beginning or end? Do you consider NWA in its hey day old school?

What about De La, Tribe, etc? That beyond 88, didnt it?

FDM
02-13-2008, 06:48 AM
advent = the emergence or beginning of.

well, you can't deny the fact that NWA and the subsequent gangsta boom truly paved the way for the next 20 years.....everything from nas/jay, to the clipse and young jeezy getting huge, to 50 cent/the game, owes some of its heritage to straight outta compton (jesus, it's been 20 years since straight outta compton came out).

that's why i consider the start of gangsta rap (which could go back even a little earlier, if you count eric b. and rakim rapping about their grind) the beginning of the "new school" and the end of the "old school". it was sort of....that loss of innocence for rap, when it stopped being 100% party music and positive creative/social outlet, and became "real," for lack of a better word. it got less about "creating positive social change in the community" and more about just...."doing what you have to do to survive on the harsh streets".

straight outta compton came out in 88, the chronic and 2pacalypse now came out in 91, 36 chambers came out in 93, ready to die came out in 94. what was the last truly great native tongues album to come out? midnight marauders, which was 93? stakes is high, which was 96? a lot of things overlapped.

tupac died in 96, biggie died in 97. do we count tupac as part of the old school because he was in digital underground? does that mean the "old school" truly died only about 10, 11 years ago after big died, and p.diddy and bling rap got huge? does that mean tupac, biggie and wu-tang are all part of the "old school"?

i still stand by straight outta compton being the milestone that changed everything though.

dragon chic
02-13-2008, 07:58 PM
i love eric b and rakim.

life is best when it's old school.


hearts,

dc

randall fairbrook
02-13-2008, 08:40 PM
can we say gangster rap is not old school?

can we define old school by songs that were about happy-ish things? like have a nice day by roxanne shante..even tho yes..it was a diss song....and treat 'em right by chubb rock...i mean..songs that may be about disses, but songs that were not about bitches or shooting....?

BOON
02-13-2008, 08:43 PM
oh, for sure about straight outta compton, i dont think you'll get much disagreement there.

the interseting thing about the "golden age" was the diversity of the forefront acts.

PE and BDP were political, Slick Rick was the stylish story teller, Rakim was thee wordsmith, BDK the playa/pimp, EPMD and Stetsasonic were still kind traditional track suit and chains, sneakers and speakers type tip.

The Native Tongue was considered a diff movement but was still around the same time or overlapped.

So you kinda have your mix of political, pimp and partying, consciouis and also keepin it real thing too. And then the early 90 thing with Pete Rock, Brand Nubian, etc kinda had that balance between street and postive too, right?

BOON
02-13-2008, 08:46 PM
anyhow, fdm, what are some of your fav songs from that era then?

i probably posted these ones already but when i think about "old school," i still thinking track suit, gold chains, radio on the shoulder thing type tracks like BAD, Smokin Dopin by LL, Microphone Fiend, So Whatcha Sayin, RAW, Smooth Operator, Paul Revere....

DOOM!
02-13-2008, 08:51 PM
Are we still in the New School now or has rap progressed into another era?

FDM
02-13-2008, 08:53 PM
yeah, i think that's what i was shooting for. "old school" rap generally symbolizes a more innocent period in hip-hop when it could be a party without guns, stacks and washing your lambo with cris and the asscheeks of half a dozen hoes gettin up off deez nuts...

yeah, you had your gritty street tracks, probably furious five's "the message" was the landmark before PE and NWA blew things up. but i think stuff like that was more the exception than the rule in the early days.

sadly, i was born a little too late to experience rap in its infancy. i was at prime pop-culture absorption age when the chronic dropped. and even then, i was only marginally interested in rap....i was too young to even remember NWA the first time around. i barely got back into NWA/PE/Tribe in high school looking for rap that didn't suck. but really, by the time i reached that age where i started forming my own preferences, rap was already just that suburban white noise bumping out of high school kids' cars.

Originally posted by BOON
anyhow, fdm, what are some of your fav songs from that era then?

i probably posted these ones already but when i think about "old school," i still thinking track suit, gold chains, radio on the shoulder thing type tracks like BAD, Smokin Dopin by LL, Microphone Fiend, So Whatcha Sayin, RAW, Smooth Operator, Paul Revere....

funny that i'm experiencing this shit retroactively.

i already mentioned Eric B. and Rakim as heavyweights as far as my old school preferences go. Follow The Leader is a classic jam. as was Know The Ledge. funny that Paid In Full, the one track that most people know, i never totally got into. but god damn, that weird farting synth line in Follow The Leader, with those film-noir horn/string samples, that shit gets me every damn time.

Flash & The Five. The Message, and White Lines (Don't Do It)....two more classics i mentioned already.

Afrikaa Bambaataa - Planet Rock. come on.

PE. Black Steel In The Hour of Chaos. 911 Is A Joke (the one fucking track that redeems Flava Flav's general uselessness....barely). Welcome The The Terrordome. of course, Fight The Power.

Ice-T. Cop Killer. but that's not even really a rap song.

one song i'm really glad i discovered retroactively: fucking JJ Fad, Supersonic. we were hanging out in the room one night and some girl tells me to download that shit. and goddamn, it was hilarious, that great fucking drop-the-bass beat, again.....that "innocent" party rap stuff that didn't need to be lewd to hook you.

ini kamoze - here come the hotstepper. alright, i think this one's a little more recent (early-mid 90's if i'm not mistaken) but i suppose it's from my childhood, it counts as "old school" in the purely subjective way.

that's another thing. you have to contend with peoples' perceptions of what "old school" is. some kids who are still in high school now, consider Wu-Tang and Dr. Dre to be old school. some kids even younger than that might consider Eminem and DMX old school.

was Digable Planets "old school?" that Rebirth of Slick jam was fucking tight. that little horn loop. good stuff.

also, muhfucking GUCCI CREW II - SALLY (THAT GIRL) (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hs8tqh9Em_E) (possibly nsf dateline nbc)

Jesoy
02-14-2008, 07:44 AM
naw...i'd say digable planets was influenced by old school.....but hmmm....maybe it was even new school....

joetron2030
02-14-2008, 07:52 AM
They were whatever school you'd consider Native Tongues to be a part of, I suppose.

DOOM!
02-14-2008, 08:56 AM
I have to disagree with the opinion with the term Old School being used to refer to a specific style of rap since Old School's most general definition is "music from back in the day" Since a new generation of rap listeners are emerging, they would most likely cram Biggie, Pac, Outkast and the like as Old School Rap since they didn't grow up listening to their music.

In light of this, perhaps a new term can be created to create classifications among old school rap.

FDM
02-14-2008, 09:06 AM
i suppose we should start using that golden/silver/modern/postmodern classification system then.

DOOM!
02-14-2008, 03:51 PM
Awesome.

Denstradamus
02-14-2008, 11:02 PM
No way.

Old School Hip Hop will always be afrika bambaataa, grandmaster flash, Kool Herc, cowboy, superrhymes, cold crush and egyptian lover.

Old School Hip Hop ended when Hip Hop left the South Bronx. Run DMC, the Beasties, and the Juice Crew are all new school.


BUT THAT'S JUST MY OPINION

Denstradamus
02-14-2008, 11:10 PM
Originally posted by DOOM!
Are we still in the New School now or has rap progressed into another era?


i think 1986 to 1997/1998 is a fair description for new school. biggie and pac were gone. the Wu split up to do futile solo projects.

i claim Blackstar was the last great album of the golden age.

Denstradamus
02-14-2008, 11:13 PM
Originally posted by funkydrunknmonk

one song i'm really glad i discovered retroactively: fucking JJ Fad, Supersonic. we were hanging out in the room one night and some girl tells me to download that shit. and goddamn, it was hilarious, that great fucking drop-the-bass beat, again.....that "innocent" party rap stuff that didn't need to be lewd to hook you.



Combine Supersonic with Afro-Rican's "Give It All You Got" and you basically have 1)Fannypack's whole schtick and 2) where Fergie got the idea for Fergalicious.

FDM
02-15-2008, 05:47 AM
Originally posted by Denstradamus
No way.

Old School Hip Hop will always be afrika bambaataa, grandmaster flash, Kool Herc, cowboy, superrhymes, cold crush and egyptian lover.

Old School Hip Hop ended when Hip Hop left the South Bronx. Run DMC, the Beasties, and the Juice Crew are all new school.


BUT THAT'S JUST MY OPINION

http://img146.imageshack.us/img146/76/180pxaabf02sn9.jpg


okay also, boon mentioned "paul revere" as one of milestone hip hop tracks. can really lump the beasties into the greater roadmap of hip-hop? i mean, yeah they were on def jam, and they had run-dmc's blessing, but even when license to ill just dropped, they were looked at more as a joke or a novelty than anything else. they were one of the groups usually credited with breaking rap into mainstream white america, yeah, but i don't know. i wonder what Chuck D or Grandmaster Flash think about them.

the beasties were, and always will be to some extent, outsiders in the game. no matter how many posse cuts with the biz or q-tip or de la or whoever else they work with. when you look at the beasties work, it's been very insular. even the collab tracks i've listed, those are definitely exceptions to their normal sound. they've always been associated more with rock bands than rappers. i mean, they were three jewish kids from brooklyn/queens who started out as a hardcore band that sorta fell into rap by making prank phone call tracks.

Denstradamus
02-15-2008, 06:37 AM
Originally posted by funkydrunknmonk



they were one of the groups usually credited with breaking rap into mainstream white america, yeah, but i don't know. i wonder what Chuck D or Grandmaster Flash think about them.

new school cats like epmd and redman loved them and considered them inspirations. i'm guessing chuck d liked them.


as for the old school cats, honestly, they probably hate EVERYTHING that came after them.

of course X-Clan would probably call them "cave boys" or something like that.





Originally posted by funkydrunknmonk

the beasties were, and always will be to some extent, outsiders in the game. no matter how many posse cuts with the biz or q-tip or de la or whoever else they work with. when you look at the beasties work, it's been very insular. even the collab tracks i've listed, those are definitely exceptions to their normal sound. they've always been associated more with rock bands than rappers. i mean, they were three jewish kids from brooklyn/queens who started out as a hardcore band that sorta fell into rap by making prank phone call tracks.

i get the feeling that your a big fan and they hold a special place in your heart. somehow they're "too diverse to be constrained into something so narrow as hip hop." i'll ignore the insulting connotations in that and focus on your original question. yeah they are considered hip hop. sure they started as parody. when i listen to half of the stuff from back then, honestly, it sounds like parody. it was so not serious and boring like it is now.

in some ways shit was more open-minded back then. remember blondie's rapture is often considered "old school hip hop", but no one would honestly say that blondie is a "hip hop" group.

FDM
02-15-2008, 06:45 AM
i'm not saying that the beasties are somehow "better" than hip hop. all i'm saying is, i'm wondering what the average rap listener thinks of the beastie boys.

in some ways shit was more open-minded back then. remember blondie's rapture is often considered "old school hip hop", but no one would honestly say that blondie is a "hip hop" group.

true. i suppose you can still make a rap single without being a rapper or a rap group. but i get the sense that rapture was played more in dance clubs for yuppies and scenesters trying desperately to hang onto disco, rather than out of the stereo on some kid's shoulder in the bronx.

Denstradamus
02-15-2008, 06:47 AM
Originally posted by randall fairbrook
can we say gangster rap is not old school?

can we define old school by songs that were about happy-ish things? like have a nice day by roxanne shante..even tho yes..it was a diss song....and treat 'em right by chubb rock...i mean..songs that may be about disses, but songs that were not about bitches or shooting....?


Of course not.

These guys here just want to label everything in a tight little taxonomic classification system like they're motherfucking Linneaus and shit. Like it was all simple and clean while in reality it was a complete fucking mess. a beautiful fucking mess though.

It's kinda like how everyone wants to come out with their own TOP TEN BLAH BLAH BLAH of ALL TIME.

Denstradamus
02-15-2008, 06:55 AM
^^^Not that there is anything wrong with that. I mean its fun to talk about in parties or shooting the shit with homies as long as it is in good fun and stuff.

650lex
02-15-2008, 09:07 AM
Originally posted by Denstradamus

i claim Blackstar was the last great album of the golden age.

i can't agree with you more on this - i'm still sad that this was stolen out of my car

i also think old school is pre-gansta rap - i don't even consider that as old school

randall fairbrook
02-15-2008, 10:25 AM
Originally posted by Denstradamus



Of course not.

These guys here just want to label everything in a tight little taxonomic classification system like they're motherfucking Linneaus and shit. Like it was all simple and clean while in reality it was a complete fucking mess. a beautiful fucking mess though.

It's kinda like how everyone wants to come out with their own TOP TEN BLAH BLAH BLAH of ALL TIME.


ahem.... linnaeus....


;-)

stinky
02-15-2008, 06:56 PM
Black Star was good, but half those beats BDP used back in the day.

randall fairbrook
02-15-2008, 07:04 PM
and that is why it is good........

35ft6
04-10-2008, 10:46 PM
http://break.com/index/worst-rap-battle-ever.html

fad3r
04-11-2008, 04:43 AM
I think the entire Eric B and Rakim album, Paid in Full, is CLASSIC. They've influenced so many current hiphop artists its rediculous.

BOON
04-11-2008, 03:38 PM
Originally posted by funkydrunknmonk

okay also, boon mentioned "paul revere" as one of milestone hip hop tracks..... i wonder what Chuck D or Grandmaster Flash think about them.


I dont think its a milestone song or anything, i just think its just a dope old school song, the type to play out the ghettoblaster over the shoulder.

As for Chuck D, he introduced them when they recieved somekind of lifetime award, mtv awards maybe. I believe PE opened for the BBs on their License to Ill tour.

CaptainPajamaShark
04-11-2008, 04:09 PM
Originally posted by fad3r
I think the entire Eric B and Rakim album, Paid in Full, is CLASSIC. They've influenced so many current hiphop artists its rediculous.

word. Follow The Leader is dope as hell too

randall fairbrook
04-11-2008, 07:45 PM
wow...mental retardation AND homophobia, goes together like dikes and dick...


;-)

45revs
04-11-2008, 10:04 PM
It was Saturday night and I'm feelin kinda sporty
Went to a bar and caught me a 40
Got kinda a high and a...kinda drunk
So I kicked the ass of this little punk
Forgot my key and had to ring my bell..

PSK, we're makin that green
People always say, "What the hell does that mean?"
P for the people who can't understand
How one homeboy became a man
S for the way we scream and shout
One by one I'm knockin you out..

Suckas on my jock when i walk down the block
I really don't care if you're jealous or not
Cos i make the songs, you sing along
And your radio's def when my record's on..

(calling all cars, calling all cars...)
(be on the lookout for a tall light-skinned brother with dimples)
(wearing a black kangol, sweatsuit, gold chain, and sneakers)
(last seen on farmers boulevard headed east)
(alias l.l. cool j)
(he's bad...)
Aaaahhhhhhhhhh...

No rapper can rap quite like i can
I'll take a musclebound man and put his face in the sand
Not the last mafioso i'm a mc cop
Make you say, "go l.l. and do the wop"
..

Step back, get away - give the brother some room
You got to all turn me up when the beat goes boom
Lyric to lyric - line to line
Then you y'all understand my reputation for rhyme
Cause my rhyme reputation depends on what
Style of record my dj cuts
His slice an' dice - super mix so nice
So bad, you won't dispute the price
Cause it's plain to see - it's a strain to be
Number one in the public I enemy..

I'm the mellow, the fellow, the one that likes to say hello
To a fly girl that is good to go
With the slow tempo and the off-beat rhyme flow
'cause when i am in action, there is no time for maxin' or relaxin
Just reactin' and subtractin'
On a sucker mc who's mouth keeps on yappin' and flappin'
I lose my cool, then i'll be start slappin' and smackin'
You on a roll, then i'll be start jackin' and cappin'
No time to lounge, i'm packin' and strappin'
At my point attack i soar at you like an eagle,
I'm the sheriff, and bitin' is illegal
So next time in town, i highly recommend this,
You gots to chill, because i'm strictly business

dragon chic
04-24-2008, 06:25 PM
45's -

that was dope! you just made my night!


hearts,

dc

Jesoy
04-26-2008, 06:15 PM
dunno if i said it already but....pickin boogers.... biz markie...