The Oscars are on, so let's bitch about it!

[Margin Walker]

Fuckin' Steve Martin is hosting. Man, that's just not funny. I want to see Wesley Willis host the Oscars, dammit. Enh, I'm just kvetching. Anyways, let the commentary begin....

[Margin Walker]

Yo, Miyazaki just won the oscar for "Spirited Away"!! Fuckin' rawk!!

[Asharak]

I'm not even watching it all.

But yeah, it would be something if Wesley Willis hosted it.

("You are my favorite movie star
You are my big buddy
You are a low down rotten man
You are crazy like a roll lizard

Arnold Schwarzenegger
Arnold Schwarzenegger
Arnold Schwarzenegger
Arnold Schwarzenegger!")

[atomicscissors]

'Spirited Away' won! Woot!

[jonahlee]

Yea I refuse to watch, but is spectacular that SPIRITED AWAY won. And Miyazaki wasn't even there to get the award, too busy working on his next film.

[Margin Walker]

Originally posted by atomicscissors
'Spirited Away' won! Woot!
Damn straight!! But they just passed over it like it was "Best Make-Up Artist" or "Best Catering @ A Set". Even by winning he don't get no respect. :mad:

[Margin Walker]

Man, and Chris Cooper won best supporting actor for "Adaptation"! Hell yeah! I've liked that mofo ever since I've seen "Matewan" way back when. And he had the swankest duds in "The Bourne Identity". And when he teared up and said that he hoped for peace, I admit I got a bit choked up.

[Robocon^^]

I wonder if they'll stick the Oscar in the Ghibli Museum. When I was there last year, they had the Golden Bear climbing up the VW-sized stack of pencil skectches in one of the rooms.

Ghibli sent someone to accept the award though, right? Suzuki maybe? Anyway, I'm glad Spirited Away got the prize...More fuel to add to Disney in getting the Ghibli movies out into North American circulation.

[wnoodle]

It's been a very sedate awards show. Although it is nice to see Steve Martin again... He always cracks me up.

[ironmonkey]

spirited away b-yatch!!!

[mwt.]

was surprised to see "spirited away" win.

i hear eminem's not there and he's nominated for best song. is someone else going to perform it then?

[stryfe]

i think this is the first time that it's been live here in quite a while.

[ironmonkey]

micheal moore! oh shit! haha, werd.

[stryfe]

that was great.

interesting that twin towers wins right after michael moore...

[La Dolce Vita]

Michael Moore just got booed for dissing the president and stuff. Good for him (not for being booed I mean).

Go Miziyaki!!!!!!

[DJ LunchBox]

Fuck you michael moore you fat fuck!!!!! Punk ass bitch!!!!!

[Margin Walker]

Originally posted by janet
Give me Gael Garcia Bernal on a half shell and watch me swallow him raw.

Viva Mexico cabrones!
¡Si, es verdad! And Michael Moore got best documentary for "Bowling For Columbine"--and got fuckin' booed (despite the standing ovation). Man, you can't buy that kind of publicity.

[stryfe]

anyone notice where the boos came from? how many of the people that gave him the standing ovation sat back down rained down the boos?

if they were, they shouldn't be surprised. he's definately one person who is not going to tow the company line.

[DJ LunchBox]

go colin, go colin!!!

[La Dolce Vita]

Originally posted by stryfe
anyone notice where the boos came from? how many of the people that gave him the standing ovation sat back down rained down the boos?

if they were, they shouldn't be surprised. he's definately one person who is not going to two the company line.
Hah Yeah!

[stryfe]

that was amazing. he stopped them.

[peko-chan]

Yeay, Adrian Brody. I'm going to have your babies one day!

[atomicscissors]

Originally posted by ironmonkey
micheal moore! oh shit! haha, werd.

That shit was tight. You go boi!

[stryfe]

what do they have to rush for anyways? the only thing after this on the west coast is billy madison, and probably on the east coast news ad nauseum.

[peko-chan]

Ok, Eminem not only has a shitload of Grammys but the dude's got an Oscar now. Life is so unfair....

[phism]

what did michael moore say, i missed it.


fuck governor bush

[Margin Walker]

Big fuckin' Ups to Adrien Brody, who not only stopped the music to give his spiel, but wished for 'Saalam' upon the followers of Muhammad. :(

[stryfe]

not the whole thing, but here's a little news (http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&ncid=579&e=3&cid=638&u=/nm/20030324/en_nm/oscars_politics_moore_dc) blurb.

Originally posted by atomicscissors
'Spirited Away' won! Woot!

Sweeeeet! I haven't even seen it yet but I'm a miyazaki fan.
I loved his Nausicaa manga and PrincessMononoke.

That's so crescent fresh.

[incoglido]

Originally posted by La Dolce Vita

Hah Yeah!

people are fuckin hypocrits. I mean why did he win if they didn't wanna here it on stage. it was really nothing new. They obviously must not understand the concept behind a documentary. Its nonfiction lol.

[stryfe]

they cut people's speeches so they can throw in those little flashbacks?

hah, just recognized george clooney doing a voice over for aquafina.

[stryfe]

damn...i knew i should've check this (http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&ncid=799&e=2&cid=794&u=/eo/20030323/en_movies_eo/11491) out.

"Heaven" at the Antiwar Spirits
Sat Mar 22,11:35 PM ET
By Joal Ryan

What if they held an awards show, and an antiwar rally broke out?

Catch a rebroadcast of the 2003 IFP Independent Spirit Awards. You'll find out.
From the opening, acoustic strains of Elvis Costello's "(What's So Funny 'Bout) Peace, Love and Understanding," to provocateur Michael Moore's acceptance speech about our "fictitious times," our "fictitious President" and the White House's "fictitious reasons" for war with Iraq, the so-called indie Oscars lived up to its rep.
...
It's hard to imagine movie stars skipping the Spirits because they were afraid to flaunt their movie-starness in a time of international conflict. On Saturday, all a low-key-minded celeb had to do was, either: (a) walk briskly past the photographers and reporters on the blue, not red, carpet; or (b) avoid the main backstage interview room (à la, every single A-list presenter).


There also was a third option. Win an award, speak your mind on stage:

"We teach our children not to fight. Fighting is not the answer."--Julianne Moore, accepting her Best Actress award.
"We have a right to voice our concerns without being called anti-American."--presenter Don Cheadle, speaking on behalf of IFP/Los Angeles, the group behind the Spirits.
"Anytime you've got the Pope and the Dixie Chicks against you, you're not long for the White House."--Michael Moore, accepting his award for Best Documentary (Bowling for Columbine).
"Let's use some of our spirit this year to get [President] Bush out of office."--Mike White, accepting his award for Best Screenplay for The Good Girl.


Far from scandalized, Spirit organizers encouraged the editorializing. During the ceremony, IFP/Los Angeles executive director Dawn Hudson urged the assembled filmmakers and actors to "speak out" in their art, if not the award show itself.
cont'd (http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&ncid=799&e=2&cid=794&u=/eo/20030323/en_movies_eo/11491)

ps. i :heart: don cheadles work ever since he was on picket fences.

[Margin Walker]

I'm a bit pissed that Charlie Kaufman didn't win best screenplay adaptation for "Adaptation". Oh well, the cat is talented and he'll get his respect, by and by.

[funger]

renee zellweger stay away from the lemons you sour faced
weasel

[peko-chan]

Chicago, Best Picture? Come fucking on, Eileen!
That shit was entertaining and all but you've got to be kidding me....

[Kirk Van Houten]

How great is it that Pedro Almodovar won for best original screenplay? I think I was happiest to so that happen. Though I wish About a boy would have won for best adapted.

[Liver_on_a_Stick]

This was an interesting oscar's.


Michael Moore getting booed
Sprited Away winning
Eminem won something?
Charlie Kaufman didn't win...
Adrien Brody's kiss

[parka]

Originally posted by ThatGirlJing
Yeay, Adrian Brody. I'm going to have your babies one day!

I'll fight you for him.

[dimbulb]

the oscar's on?
*cleans off twigs and dirt from hair*
hello civilization...

[kamenriderv3]

eminem? aiya....

[Hyde]

Originally posted by phism
what did michael moore say, i missed it.

BOWLING FOR COLUMBINE
Michael Moore and Michael Donovan

ACCEPTANCE SPEECH
Michael Moore: Whoa. On behalf of our producers Kathleen Glynn and Michael Donovan from Canada, I'd like to thank the Academy for this. I have invited my fellow documentary nominees on the stage with us, and we would like to — they're here in solidarity with me because we like nonfiction. We like nonfiction and we live in fictitious times. We live in the time where we have fictitious election results that elects a fictitious president. We live in a time where we have a man sending us to war for fictitious reasons. Whether it's the fictition of duct tape or fictition of orange alerts we are against this war, Mr. Bush. Shame on you, Mr. Bush, shame on you. And any time you got the Pope and the Dixie Chicks against you, your time is up. Thank you very much.

[djbadmonkey]

yeah he may be a portly fuck with perhaps a portly ego, but michael moore is the cool.

[mwt.]

i think it was so poorly received simply because people were almost walking on egg shells about the whole war thing. part of me, the timid-can't-we-all-just-get-along-with-each-other part of me wishes he hadn't done it, although i agree with everything he has to say (especially last night). but the way people see it, such an occasion shouldn't be a platform for rambling. but, then again, michael moore's not a film maker, he's an activist. it's kinda like when roseanne sang the national anthem at that ball game a few years ago and purposely butchered it. well, yeah, it was kinda tacky. but it's roseanne. she's not a songbird. what the hell do you expect her to do? belt it out beautifully? that's kinda what it reminded me of.

scattered thoughts:

adrian brody - oh baby. was that not a great acceptance speech? michael moore would have been better received had he treated the subject of war like mr. brody. moore seems so cocky and full of himself nowadays.

steve martin was not that funny.

YAY! "spirited away!!"

michael douglas' hair color looked pretty bad.

keanu looked hot, as usual...

paul simon's performance was pretty darn good. can't say that i'm a fan, but i thought that song was very touching. (cheesey, i know)

eminem. heh. i think it's pretty cool that he keeps winning all these awards despite being so un-status quo.

"chicago" wasn't THAT great. come on... i was bummed that "the hours" didn't win much (did they win any at all??).

j lo looked hot as usual.

and to whoever said that jennifer garner has squashed chicken cutlet boobs, HAHAHA! i wholly agree. my god...that is soooo perfect: "chicken cutlet boobs." rad. totally rad. you have supreme command of the english language. a true word smith. i love you.

"frida" was NOT that great. just my two cents, but seriously, it was not that great.

salma shows her tits tho, so that was, uh, refreshing. but all in all, the film was not that great.

[Jack]

is Chigago really *THAT* great? I thought Lord of the Rings woulda blown it out of the water.......

[La Dolce Vita]

I was angry Lord of The Rings didn't win best cinematography (that movie can stand on it's visuals alone) and it didn't even get nominated for best costumes!!!!! WTF! Peter Jackson didn't get nominated for best director! WTF!!!!

Damn Chicago

[angrykitty]

Originally posted by ironmonkey
micheal moore! oh shit! haha, werd.

best 45 seconds of the oscars...in a very long time.

anybody ever see the segment when marlon brando won for the godfather?

[GalleryGirl]

Michael Moore is my hero. I wanted him to win sooo badly. I also wanted Christopher Walken to win for best supporting. pout.

None of the women looked that great. I thought Cameron Diaz looked better than she usually does. Overall the dresses were a big dissapointment. OH well.

Adrian Brody... ouch that's hot! He was so in control up there. damn!

[remotecontrolalligator]

Originally posted by Aniki
Fuck you michael moore you fat fuck!!!!! Punk ass bitch!!!!!

seriously! its like noone in the audience knows his politcal stance on this, yet he still felt the need to blab off his fatty mcfat mouth about that BS. real classy guy!

[stryfe]

catherine zeta jones looked like she was going to pop at any moment.

[angrykitty]

Originally posted by remotecontrolalligator


seriously! its like noone in the audience knows his politcal stance on this, yet he still felt the need to blab off his fatty mcfat mouth about that BS. real classy guy!

but were you not amused when he got booed off the stage and the music came on in the middle of his sentence?

that segment had something for everyone.

you really care who thanks who?

[Zaius]

Originally posted by stryfe
catherine zeta jones looked like she was going to pop at any moment.


Being Preggers makes her McGuffins look like Bazongas!

[remotecontrolalligator]

Originally posted by angrykitty


but were you not amused when he got booed off the stage and the music came on in the middle of his sentence?

you really care who thanks who?

yes, that made me laugh.

actually now that i look at your avatar. that's kinda how he reminded me up there. in his rented tux that was two sizes too big for him. and a goofy look on his face.

its not that i care or don't care of who thanks who. but fuck, the guy is in the media, its not like he doesn't have other outlets to voice his opinion.

[angrykitty]

heheh.

maybe this will make you laugh too...maybe not.

my avatar is taken from a scene where he is peeing.

i see what you mean, but i never really understood the entertainment value of awards shows...the red carpet is different story.

still...what moore did was like a crank call to america. not sure if that was his intention, but that's how i saw it.

crank calls are funny.

Originally posted by Zaius



Being Preggers makes her McGuffins look like Bazongas!

haha. lol! no shit! chubsters.

michael douglas, that old fart, still has it goin' on, heh. i wanna be the female version of him when i get to be that age.

heh heh... old booter strollin' around with a young, strapping man toy.

[kamenriderv3]

Originally posted by Booter
and to whoever said that jennifer garner has squashed chicken cutlet boobs, HAHAHA! i wholly agree. my god...that is soooo perfect: "chicken cutlet boobs." rad. totally rad. you have supreme command of the english language. a true word smith. i love you.

the chicken cutlet comment is not original. i remember gwen stefani saying that about marilyn manson's butt.

it is a funny description though.

[martin]

Watched the Oscars for the first time in years... I totally lost at the pool (7 out of 24?), but I expected that. The only award-winning movies I saw were Spirited Away, Adaptation, and Bowling for Columbine. Michael Moore was great. If you don't like him, there were plenty of movie stars with no opinions to fall back on.

Too bad Hero slipped in under the radar.

[kingka]

was halley berry's hubby angry at adrian brody? after the whole kissing thing? I wouldn't let some punk kiss my girl like that. dang. if halley berry was like zzang zi yi, I bet that guy would have gotten a beat down.

[stryfe]

from michealmoore.com (http://www.michaelmoore.com)
Operation Oily Residue is beginning. The troops are on the move, and the first shots have been fired. We support the troops, and wish they did not have to fight Bush's unnecessary war. The greatest support we can give these young men and women is to call for their safe and fast return home. Just because the politicians in Washington and the UK aren't listening to us, does not mean we should stop calling on them to back away from aggression. Destroying a country and people in a hail of missiles is neither the way to free people nor the way to spread democracy and good will. All you need remember is this: War is over, if you want it.

[Jack]

Michael Moore seems awfully self-righteous recently.

[stryfe]

lately?

[Jack]

Well, I don't think he used to be so self-righteous.........

[Margin Walker]

Originally posted by janet
Eminem wins an Oscar -- how great is that? Next time somebody tries to defend the Oscars, that's the first thing I'll bring up. I'd like to thank the Academy... for proving what a useless pile of shit their award is.
Hey, just be thankful that Jethro Tull didn't do any soundtrack work last year.

[hippyjonny]

Originally posted by La Dolce Vita
I was angry Lord of The Rings didn't win best cinematography (that movie can stand on it's visuals alone)

have you seen Road to Perdition (the winner). Conrad Hall is a master of his craft. all the shots with the mirror effect with both direct and indirect angles. (do you know how long that takes to set up to make it look right) the scene with Hanks gunning down the Newman character was awesome but the last scene in the White room was the best. there are so many other scenes worth mentioning. (the roof of the car shot) (the pan shot in the hotel when they first visit mr. nitty).



all lord of the rings had was panoramic helicopter shots of new zealand. nice to look at, yes- but really not that hard to pull off.

[35ft6]

I saw Monster the other day and I have to say that if Charlize Theron doesn't win Best Actress, then I'll never take the Oscars seriously again. Or for at least another 9 months. She made Halle Berry's performance in Monster's Ball look like a sock puppet. It was in many ways the most radical physical transformation ever for an actor. Respect shot up so much.

[KING]

the author of the book that the swedish film ("evil") is based on had to get a special visa to be able to go to the oscars because he is considered a security threat. This is mostly because of his beefing with the swedish secret service but its still funny if you are familiar with the guy.

[Robot_4nicator]

Originally posted by KING
the author of the book that the swedish film ("evil") is based on had to get a special visa to be able to go to the oscars because he is considered a security threat. This is mostly because of his beefing with the swedish secret service but its still funny if you are familiar with the guy.

Is that film on video? I've heard it is really good.

I say pptthhbbbttt to the Oscars. I will be watching Willy Wonka.

[KING]

Originally posted by Robot_4nicator


Is that film on video? I've heard it is really good.


its out on DVD here but without english subtitles, so unless you understand swedish, norweigan or finnish you're fucked

I'm sure there already is or will be an international release though.

[Robot_4nicator]

The only Swedish i know i learned from the Swedish Chef, so i guess i can only understand the cooking parts of the movie....

[DJ LunchBox]

Imma be at Disneyland!! :p

[KING]

Originally posted by Robot_4nicator
The only Swedish i know i learned from the Swedish Chef, so i guess i can only understand the cooking parts of the movie....

better than nothing

sadly there is not much cooking in it

find comfort in the fact that you are a man of the world

[ChenZan]

quick question. has an asian man ever won a oscar for his acting abilities, supporting or main catagories. i cant think of any. its really sucks becuase i really want to see a leading asian male figure that people look up to that doesnt do kung fu or have a bad accent and is the goofy side kick role.

i know they made a big fuss about the first black actors to win, blah blah. but what about asian males. comeon how about a strong asian actor that i can be proud of. are there any that are recongnized by the academy?

[Killjoy]

dude, jude law is receding :(.

[kingka]

wow. keisha castle hughes (??) from whale rider is really pretty~ she's going to be amazing in about 4 years...

[golivar]

that male interviewer is a sleazebag. he's basically harassed every actress there.

[Margin Walker]

Haha, the mastadon stepped on Michael Moore!!

[shawgirl74]

omg, how hot do Johnny Depp, Ian McKellen, and Ken Watanabe look?!

[golivar]

i got total second-hand embarassment from billy crystal's opening song and dance number.

[kingka]

how could that idiot iterviewer do that to keisha... introducing her to johnny depp like that...

liv tyler looked hotttt~~

[Margin Walker]

Sting and Allison Kraus--together at last?!? :confused:

BTW, what's that instrument that Sting was (ostensibly) playing?

[shawgirl74]

i love annie lennox, but i don't think that song was for her. allison krauss is always great and Elvis Costello playing for her was cool too-- theyr'e married aren't they?

[shawgirl74]

Originally posted by Iago


Ian always has so much class.

Otherwise...
Snore. I am going back to work... with this in the background. Let me know when someone rapes Stuart Townsend...

i'll let you know when i'm done with him! :P

[Margin Walker]

Originally posted by kingka
liv tyler looked hotttt~~
That hair was crap though. It looked like she was gonna topple over sideways b/c it was so lop-sided. Is it just me or was Annie Lennox going for the Julie Andrews look or what?

[stinky]

Originally posted by golivar
i got total second-hand embarassment from billy crystal's opening song and dance number.
I'm feeling that way with the whole Blake Edwards presentation.

[shawgirl74]

i haven't seen adrien brody yet

[golivar]

Super Fly died last month?!? wow

[shawgirl74]

Originally posted by randall fairbrook
you weren't looking hard enough..i think he is 2 rows behind michael douglas to the right

thanks!

wow, diane lane looked good!

[Eric Nakamura]

sophia won!

[Eric Nakamura]

So much for that bullshit protesting.

[golivar]

she mentioned wong kar wai and antonioni. pretty cool.

[YelloKitty]

i know right! wong kar wai, awesome! i wonder if spike will congratulate her.

[shawgirl74]

he looked pretty good-- really funny too!

yaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay for Charlize! i love her soooo much!

and how about that Stuart-- HA CHA!!!

[Eric Nakamura]

Things fell into place fairly right on the show, I think. I didn't see it all, but how can you beat out a L of the R? It's near impossible esp with all the effort and crap that went into it. And it's hard to expect Bill M to win, when he's against actors who are crying, screaming, and going nuts like Pirates on screen.

eric

[shawgirl74]

Originally posted by randall fairbrook
stuart?

Charlize's man!

[sonnycheeba23]

I guess this proves my theory of crying alot in a movie will win you an oscar.. cough cough sean penn cough cough

[shammy718]

he's married to diana krall. but i think allison krauss' singing was beautiful...

Originally posted by shawgirl74
i love annie lennox, but i don't think that song was for her. allison krauss is always great and Elvis Costello playing for her was cool too-- theyr'e married aren't they?

[peko-chan]

Who's big head was in the way of Billy Boyd??

I only saw Sean, Dominic and Elijah in the shots.
No close-ups of my Scottish hobbit at all :(

Best dressed actresses:
Catherine Zeta, Charlize, Keisha (looking her age, thankfully)

Best dressed actors: Stuart Townsend, Tom Cruise (ass haircut though)

Hottest close-ups: Johnny Depp, Ken Watanbe (esp. with furrowed brow)

[dragon chic]

why the fuck did spielberg look so damn tiny?! he looked like a 12 year old boy! i thought that liv tyler was best dressed.

[Hyde]

i love the triplets of belleville performance.

charlize looked too orange.

[stranger]

Blake Edwards still bringing laughs, the best part I thought during the ceremony. Blake Edwards ROCKS!!

[peko-chan]

Originally posted by dragon chic
i thought that liv tyler was best dressed.

I want to steal her glasses!

[peko-chan]

i have to admit Angelina Jolie looked good in her greek princess dress, looking like diana from wonder woman and shit.

[peko-chan]

was i smoking crack or did they accidently pan to Jason Schwartzman during the Sound award? The nominee was John Schwartzman and i swear to god i saw jason instead....

[Ricky]

liv tyler does a great lucy liu impersonation

[Aser]

Originally posted by peko-chan
was i smoking crack or did they accidently pan to Jason Schwartzman during the Sound award? The nominee was John Schwartzman and i swear to god i saw jason instead....

yeah I noticed that too.....

I really felt bad for bill though, he took it quite hard. I didn't quite see it but others have said he had a small tear streaming down. That Billy Crystal line didn't help things either......He was still quite funny the entire night, especially the camera shots of him sitting in his chair while clips of his perfromance was aired on the projection screen.

This was the first time I watched the Oscars in years, and now I remember why I never watched previously. It lagged on for close to 4 hours. A lot of channel flicking was done to say the least.

[Killjoy]

i fell asleep after about 2 hours. can we say hummina hummina hobbits? i love a clean shaven johnny depp as well.

[Killjoy]

oh and that finding nemo guy gets best speech of the night. to his wife: i wrote it to you in a note in 8th grade and now i can say it in front of a billion ppl, i love you (or something like that).


AWW. barf, barf. AWW!

[Willie D]

Originally posted by Hyde
i love the triplets of belleville performance.




That chick's ass was bangin'!!!

[Jake]

Minus the Jack Black/Will Ferrell song, it sucked.

[golivar]

Originally posted by Killjoy
oh and that finding nemo guy gets best speech of the night. to his wife: i wrote it to you in a note in 8th grade and now i can say it in front of a billion ppl, i love you (or something like that).


AWW. barf, barf. AWW!

you loved it

[Killjoy]

i did

[cabbagechild]

Originally posted by Willie D



That chick's ass was bangin'!!!

who?

[kamenriderv3]

sophia, i always wanted you in the family business...

[cabbagechild]

did anyone see charlize theron?

her picture on the yahoo (or msn, i don't recall) page looks... scary. she looks like a ghoulish hag.

i hope that was just a bad photo.

[kamenriderv3]

monster

[peko-chan]

Originally posted by peko-chan
was i smoking crack or did they accidently pan to Jason Schwartzman during the Sound award? The nominee was John Schwartzman and i swear to god i saw jason instead....

http://entertainment.msn.com/netcal/?netcal=833

Second Worst Sibling Moment: John Schwartzman not only missed out on the Cinematography prize for "Seabiscuit," but he didn't even make it on screen. Instead, the cameras mistakenly focused on his brother, "Rushmore" star Jason Schwartzman.

[angoraphobia]

OK! I WASNT seeing things....i was like whoa.....thems some strong genes cause john looks just like jason......

i wonder if john is pissed off because of that.....

[niubi]

though i am not surprised since there were few, if any, mentions of foreign movie biz people who died in the past year, but i was a bit disappointed that ying ruocheng wasn't among those listed.

actor, stage director, professor, translator, and former vice-minister of culture ying ruocheng was not remembered during the 76th academy award cermony's tribute to those who passed away in the last year. he is best known as an actor in american/european films (and tv): as the detention center (prison) governor in the last emperor (which afterall won 9 academy awards including best picture), lama norbu in little buddha, and his role as kublai khan in the tv mini-series marco polo.

[invictus]

Missed the Oscars, but read the results online later that night. Charlize Theron was amazing in Monster. She totally deserved the Oscar for that performance. I need to go see Mystic River... shit, I missed a bunch of movies that were winners this year...

[Robot_4nicator]

Triplettes was robbed!!!

[Robot_4nicator]

Originally posted by puppy fields
maybe...but did you hear the applause triplets got?

almost nothing, but polite claps, I don't think many people in the academy saw this one.


yeah, It was a better animated film than Nemo, IMO (it transcended the language barrier entirely by visuals, which were amazing, such as the ocean scenes and the mafia chase). It also had a better song than LOTR (and so did A Mighty Wind).

I also disagree with Penn winning, and feel Murray deserved it more. But i didn't like Mystic River, i thought it was 15 mins too long and it left out some minor plot details that explained certain character quirks that the book had. The rest of the awards i don't have a beef with, which is rare since the oscars almost exclusively try to tick me off by letting terrible things win.

[Zaius]

Originally posted by Robot_4nicator
Triplettes was robbed!!!

yeah. my friend is burning me a DVD tomorrow! w00t!

[Robocon^^]

Cool...Triplettes gets robbed again!!!

The live performance of the triplettes song sounded thin. It sounded much better in the theater when I saw it.

[shammy718]

^ i still liked liked it though : )

[shawgirl74]

Originally posted by Robocon^^
Cool...Triplettes gets robbed again!!!

The live performance of the triplettes song sounded thin. It sounded much better in the theater when I saw it.

i hadn't seen this in the theater, but i did like the performance for what it was! i'm gonna have to check this out!

[Robocon^^]

OMG triplettes was sooo fuckin racist. I'm glad it didn't win anything. I guess my crack team wrote enough protest letters to the Academy to preserve the sanctity of the Award.

[shawgirl74]

Originally posted by Robocon^^
OMG triplettes was sooo fuckin racist. I'm glad it didn't win anything. I guess my crack team wrote enough protest letters to the Academy to preserve the sanctity of the Award.

you are a true american hero, my friend. a HERO!

[35ft6]

Sorry for beating this fucking horse but as a screenwriter, Sofia winning best original screenplay was a travesty. That script would have been rejected by every production company in the world. The directing, Bill Murray, cinematography, Sofia's melancholy, and Japan lined up "perfectly" and cinematic magic resulted, but it had little to do with the script. I would guess that the "script" was little more a bare bones reference written by Sofia for Sofia, the director, who knew the story by heart anyway.

Fine, maybe she deserved an award and the voters decided that screenplay was the only one the could halfway justify, but Finding Nemo was if not a better movie, definitely a better screenplay.

[Robocon^^]

For me, Finding Nemo was enjoyable and a good story with clever twists, but Lost in Translation felt genuine and real and had a consistent point of view. It was very much Sophia's voice. Nemo felt like a script done by a commitee. I can't say which is better...but Lost in Translation felt more like a personal piece <-- which I was grateful to see make it onscreen.

And very refreshing to see in contrast to the "everything goes" machine of Lord of the Rings. A great film needs subtlety. Lord of the Rings just clubs you repeatedly.

[AlaskanKiwi]

It's my Kiwi duty to be happy for the awards that the Lord of the Rings got.

[shawgirl74]

Originally posted by AlaskanKiwi
It's my Kiwi duty to be happy for the awards that the Lord of the Rings got.

as a fan of LOTR i feel it is my duty to thank you, a natural citizen of New Zealand, for the success of LOTR! :)

[YelloKitty]

Originally posted by AlaskanKiwi
It's my Kiwi duty to be happy for the awards that the Lord of the Rings got.
you know, i kept thinking about you when they mentioned new zealand a gazillion times. :heart:

[35ft6]

Originally posted by Robocon^^
For me, Finding Nemo was enjoyable and a good story with clever twists, but Lost in Translation felt genuine and real and had a consistent point of view. It was very much Sophia's voice. Nemo felt like a script done by a commitee. I can't say which is better...but Lost in Translation felt more like a personal piece <-- which I was grateful to see make it onscreen. It's arguable which was the better movie, but to me one script clearly must have been better. LIT the movie, what you see, just wouldn't be that compelling in text form. It was a lot of implication, mood, subtext, etc. Bill Murray did a helluva job, but a lot of what made his character memorable was Bill Murray, not the writing. e.g. The faces he made during the scotch ad photo shoot. Do you think Sofia wrote down "makes funny faces"? No. So she deserves praise for directing, and in a non LOTR year I may have supported her winning an Oscar for Best Director. The acting, the shots, the cute moments she created were all examples of skillful directing, but not good writing I'm sorry.

From what I see in the movie, the LIT script must have been very skimpy in character, even skimpier with dialogue, and skimpiest with story. Does this mean the movie was weak? No, a full blown movie can often transcend a weak script, and clearly in this instance it did.

FYI they didn't send out LIT screenplays to the voters. I wonder why? ;)

[Robocon^^]

I dunno...why don't you tell us? Hey, I bet it doesn't say what Bob whispers in Charlotte's ear at the end either...OMG what unfinished scripting!

And letting Bill Murray be Bill Murray isn't just a directoral decision. From the making of feature, it looked like she wanted him in the role from the beginning. The script was the genesis from which the movie evolved. And since she was the director, it was drawn in enough to make it happen.

Maybe you have different sensibilities? It's weird when people can get so worked up over a difference in process.

[35ft6]

Originally posted by Robocon^^
I dunno...why don't you tell us? Hey, I bet it doesn't say what Bob whispers in Charlotte's ear at the end either...OMG what unfinished scripting! Okay, I'll tell you: because it was PROBABLY more of an outline than a script. I've heard it was only 60 pages long. See, you can get away with that when you're going to be directing what you write and financing is secure. It's like when you write a note to remind yourself of something, you only have to write enough to trigger what you already know; very different from when you have to convey all the info to a different person.

People see a movie they like and automatically assume the script must have been fantastic, but in this case there's no way it was, I'm sorry. Don't take it personally.

[golivar]

all i know is Biker Boyz got shafted

[35ft6]

And letting Bill Murray be Bill Murray isn't just a directoral decision.Actually, it is. If you're saying that she just wrote something knowing that Bill Murray would take care of the rest, then that only proves my point more.From the making of feature, it looked like she wanted him in the role from the beginning. Good call on her part.The script was the genesis from which the movie evolved.That's fine, but the script should be judged on its own merits. A baby chasing a puppy can be the seed from which a movie evolves also, but so what? Best Screenplay should go, in theory, to the writer of the Best Screenplay, not to the director of a good movie. And since she was the director, it was drawn in enough to make it happen. That's not enough. IMO the voters should have to actually read the screenplay they vote for. Since they didn't send out the script to any of the voters, sort of makes one wonder. That's awfully presumptuous, don't you think?Maybe you have different sensibilities? Probably, but I have screenwriter friends that think LIT was the best movie of the year, but strongly believe it should not have won Best Screenplay. Likewise, they didn't like The Lost Samurai but thought it was arguably the finest script they read all year. Best Screenplay should go to best screenplay, it's really as simple as that. Again likewise, The Last Samurai shouldn't have won best picture on the strength of the script.It's weird when people can get so worked up over a difference in process. It's weird when people can't believe that it's actually be possible for somebody to disagree with them without having to attribute it to some sort of misguided bitterness. Oh well.

[Robocon^^]

you do say sorry a lot...why I have no idea. You have your opinion, no need to apologize.

[35ft6]

It was more like I'm sorry if you think the script deserved Best Original Screenplay. Figure of speech. I wasn't apologizing for my opinion. It's all about context.

[35ft6]

Originally posted by golivar
all i know is Biker Boyz got shafted it's all political! Political I tells ya! I'm sorry, Golivar. I'm sorry.:D

[jsoy]

That's BULLSHIT that the Lord of the Rings trailer didn't win 'Best short film'

[stinky]

Golivar, you should contact TomRoman. Maybe he can get a posse for you to get some street justice.

[jsoy]

oh...yeah..about finding nemo vs. lost in translation...you compare a talking fish to that young chick who just has her mouth half open all the time? i mean come on....look at me... i'm pretty good looking and i look half stoned...o.k..enough....

[wildseven]

Originally posted by 35ft6
Likewise, they didn't like The Lost Samurai but thought it was arguably the finest script they read all year. Best Screenplay should go to best screenplay, it's really as simple as that. Again likewise, The Last Samurai shouldn't have won best picture on the strength of the script. It's weird when people can't believe that it's actually be possible for somebody to disagree with them without having to attribute it to some sort of misguided bitterness. Oh well.

Not being confrontational just quietly disagreeing:
Last Samurai was a good script? A long-ass trite Hollywood vacuum with a conventional "arc" and a bunch of mundane pompous speeches and not even cursory attempt to be true to the period or the culture...yeah that's a good script? It has no trace of Samurai values. It has no trace of reality. It has nothing memorable or original you remember, in word or deed. It doesn't even bear comparison with other movies about that subject. It doesn't even bear comparison with other movies inspired by Japanese films (ie, The Yakuza by Schrader, The Challenge by Sayles, Conan by Milius and Stone, Taxi Driver by Schrader, The Road Warrior, Mad Max III by Hayes, Last Man Standing by Hill, The Wild Bunch by Peckinpah and Green, Pat Garret and Billy the Kid by Peckinpah and Wurlitzer, The Driver by Hill). It just comes off like a slick remake of Seven Years in Tibet and Dances with Wolves. It just reeks of some conventional Hollywood insider (hack) getting a paycheck and doing some rewrites til a bunch of other people are satisfied.

And it was by the awesomely gifted (sic) scribe behind Star Trek Nemesis!

Was it the finest script of the year based on the paucity of any other scripts or what? Lost in Translation was well done. Not special. It had character. Mystic River was a bit clever but was damn good in terms of basic nuts and bolts construction values. It was solid storytelling with classic setups and payoffs and a literary sheen. It had nuances that let the director and especially the actors dig in and let it breathe and pulse into life. That's good writing. It's not a cool, "cutting edge" project unfortunately I guess.

Do current screenwriters who look up to guys like Logan or Akiva Goldsman or Tarantino ever read any real screenwriters? Like Milius or Stone or Hill or Lehman or Towne or Bolt or Larry Gross or Walon Green or Christopher McQuarrie, or even frikking P.T. Anderson, Christopher Nolan, and Nora Ephron? Or is it just, confirm whomever is currently popular and then maybe put up on the pedestal a few resident "geniuses" like Charlie Kaufman we can use to beat other message board posters over the head with our discerning taste, and leave it at that? Ya know, I could have worded all that better! Sorry if I'm making more enemies, at this point it's what I do here!

[shawgirl74]

Originally posted by wildseven


Not being confrontational just quietly disagreeing:
Last Samurai was a good script? A long-ass trite Hollywood vacuum with a conventional "arc" and a bunch of mundane pompous speeches and not even cursory attempt to be true to the period or the culture...yeah that's a good script? It has no trace of Samurai values. It has no trace of reality. It has nothing memorable or original you remember, in word or deed. It doesn't even bear comparison with other movies about that subject. It doesn't even bear comparison with other movies inspired by Japanese films (ie, The Yakuza by Schrader, The Challenge by Sayles, Conan by Milius and Stone, Taxi Driver by Schrader, The Road Warrior, Mad Max III by Hayes, Last Man Standing by Hill, The Wild Bunch by Peckinpah and Green, Pat Garret and Billy the Kid by Peckinpah and Wurlitzer, The Driver by Hill). It just comes off like a slick remake of Seven Years in Tibet and Dances with Wolves. It just reeks of some conventional Hollywood insider (hack) getting a paycheck and doing some rewrites til a bunch of other people are satisfied.

Are you really talking about the screenplay here, or are you giving a movie review? Did YOU read the screenplay for The Last Samurai? LIT's final product success might have been based on an outline/skimpy screenplay and all the nuances and magic that happened onscreen were built during production. Don't you think that things can work in reverse as well, meaning a perfectly wonderful screenplay can be diminished during production? I'm not giving any credit to The Last Samurai as I never saw the movie or read its screenplay and probably never will, but I don't think your argument is a good one. Another thing, I am completely blown away that you are complaining about a Hollywood movie for having historical inaccuracies-- why does this shock you?



Was it the finest script of the year based on the paucity of any other scripts or what? Lost in Translation was well done. Not special. It had character. Mystic River was a bit clever but was damn good in terms of basic nuts and bolts construction values. It was solid storytelling with classic setups and payoffs and a literary sheen. It had nuances that let the director and especially the actors dig in and let it breathe and pulse into life. That's good writing. It's not a cool, "cutting edge" project unfortunately I guess.

Mystic River was also nominated for Best Picture, and its actors won the Best Actor and Best Supporting Actor Awards as well. You're acting as if Mystic River got no respect at all. If anything, the cool "cutting edge" project would have been LIT.

Do current screenwriters who look up to guys like Logan or Akiva Goldsman or Tarantino ever read any real screenwriters? Like Milius or Stone or Hill or Lehman or Towne or Bolt or Larry Gross or Walon Green or Christopher McQuarrie, or even frikking P.T. Anderson, Christopher Nolan, and Nora Ephron? Or is it just, confirm whomever is currently popular and then maybe put up on the pedestal a few resident "geniuses" like Charlie Kaufman we can use to beat other message board posters over the head with our discerning taste, and leave it at that? Ya know, I could have worded all that better! Sorry if I'm making more enemies, at this point it's what I do here!

I think you have unfinished business in this thread.

http://www.giantrobot.com/forums/showthread.php3?s=&threadid=24479&highlight=screenwriting

Please take your backpack and pack your lunch because school will be in session. Jackass. You're not one to even talk about "beat(ing) other message board posters over the head with discerning taste", you've been doing that since the Kill Bill/Tarantino threads--minus the discerning taste though.

[shawgirl74]

so you're saying that all of his taste is in his mouth? :)

[35ft6]

Originally posted by wildseven
[B]

Not being confrontational just quietly disagreeing:
Last Samurai was a good script? A long-ass trite Hollywood vacuum with a conventional "arc" and a bunch of mundane pompous speeches and not even cursory attempt to be true to the period or the culture...yeah that's a good script? It has no trace of Samurai values. It has no trace of reality. It has nothing memorable or original you remember, in word or deed. It doesn't even bear comparison with other movies about that subject. It doesn't even bear comparison with other movies inspired by Japanese films (ie, The Yakuza by Schrader, The Challenge by Sayles, Conan by Milius and Stone, Taxi Driver by Schrader, The Road Warrior, Mad Max III by Hayes, Last Man Standing by Hill, The Wild Bunch by Peckinpah and Green, Pat Garret and Billy the Kid by Peckinpah and Wurlitzer, The Driver by Hill). It just comes off like a slick remake of Seven Years in Tibet and Dances with Wolves. It just reeks of some conventional Hollywood insider (hack) getting a paycheck and doing some rewrites til a bunch of other people are satisfied. Did you read it? I didn't. Just telling you what I heard.Was it the finest script of the year based on the paucity of any other scripts or what? I don't know. They read it and said it was really good. Not to be a fucking appeal to authority motherfucker, but the screenwriters, readers, and directors I know judge scripts by a totally different set of criteria than non-writers or people with no Hollywood aspirations.Lost in Translation was well done. Not special. It had character. I don't think it had character. I really didn't understand why Bill and Scarlett were attracted to each other (yeah, they were both lonely, bleh bleh bleh). I didn't detect any chemistry.Mystic River was a bit clever but was damn good in terms of basic nuts and bolts construction values. It was solid storytelling with classic setups and payoffs and a literary sheen. Are you talking about the movie or the screenplay. My whole point was to make a distinction between the two. About Schmitz was one of the best screenplays I've ever read, but not one of the best movies I've ever seen. Good movie, but not as exceptional as the screenplay. It had nuances that let the director and especially the actors dig in and let it breathe and pulse into life. That's good writing. It's not a cool, "cutting edge" project unfortunately I guess. But it was Clint Eastwood. It didn't have to be cutting edge or whatever. Like you said, (if you read it) it was good. It got nominated for several Oscars so it must have been "cool" to somebody.

What Cline or Copolla are allowed to write and take into production is somewhat to radically different than the type of spec script a beginning writer should write. If you wrote Lost in Translation you be a joke. Mystic River would be much better as a spec but still, not high concept enough. Mystic River, from what I know, being an adaptation and all, is an assignment type screenplay. It doesn't have to be edgy. It's greenlight status is assured due to Clint, and I'm sure Clint hired the best writer he could find to adapt it.Do current screenwriters who look up to guys like Logan or Akiva Goldsman or Tarantino ever read any real screenwriters? I don't know any screenwriters that admire these three.Like Milius or Stone or Hill or Lehman or Towne or Bolt or Larry Gross or Walon Green or Christopher McQuarrie, or even frikking P.T. Anderson, Christopher Nolan, and Nora Ephron? These guys aren't exactly obscure either. Have you read scripts by each of these guys? If you read Towne, anything other than Chinatown? If you haven't read anything by these guys, then why do you cite them?

PT Anderson is another guy who gets to write scripts that would never sell on the spec market. Magnolia MIGHT get you an agent if a newcomer wrote it, but it certainly wouldn't sell.

Whatever. Tell me which scripts you read and I'll read it to, and we can debate its merits or lack thereof. I'm game. Back up what you're saying. If you cite Nora Ephron or Walon Green (whoever that is) as being worthy, then tell me why in your own words.Or is it just, confirm whomever is currently popular and then maybe put up on the pedestal a few resident "geniuses" like Charlie Kaufman we can use to beat other message board posters over the head with our discerning taste, and leave it at that? Charlie Kauffman IS an amazing writer. Sometimes people who get credit actually deserve it.Ya know, I could have worded all that better! Sorry if I'm making more enemies, at this point it's what I do here! :) Don't worry about it.

[shawgirl74]

Originally posted by Iago


Perhaps his taste has been marred by a bad case of halitosis.

from sucking ass?

[shawgirl74]

Originally posted by 35ft6
Did you read it? I didn't. Just telling you what I heard. I don't know. They read it and said it was really good. Not to be a fucking appeal to authority motherfucker, but the screenwriters, readers, and directors I know judge scripts by a totally different set of criteria than non-writers or people with no Hollywood aspirations. I don't think it had character. I really didn't understand why Bill and Scarlett were attracted to each other (yeah, they were both lonely, bleh bleh bleh). I didn't detect any chemistry. Are you talking about the movie or the screenplay. My whole point was to make a distinction between the two. About Schmitz was one of the best screenplays I've ever read, but not one of the best movies I've ever seen. Good movie, but not as exceptional as the screenplay. But it was Clint Eastwood. It didn't have to be cutting edge or whatever. Like you said, (if you read it) it was good. It got nominated for several Oscars so it must have been "cool" to somebody.

What Cline or Copolla are allowed to write and take into production is somewhat to radically different than the type of spec script a beginning writer should write. If you wrote Lost in Translation you be a joke. Mystic River would be much better as a spec but still, not high concept enough. Mystic River, from what I know, being an adaptation and all, is an assignment type screenplay. It doesn't have to be edgy. It's greenlight status is assured due to Clint, and I'm sure Clint hired the best writer he could find to adapt it. I don't know any screenwriters that admire these three. These guys aren't exactly obscure either. Have you read scripts by each of these guys? If you read Towne, anything other than Chinatown? If you haven't read anything by these guys, then why do you cite them?

PT Anderson is another guy who gets to write scripts that would never sell on the spec market. Magnolia MIGHT get you an agent if a newcomer wrote it, but it certainly wouldn't sell.

Whatever. Tell me which scripts you read and I'll read it to, and we can debate its merits or lack thereof. I'm game. Back up what you're saying. If you cite Nora Ephron or Walon Green (whoever that is) as being worthy, then tell me why in your own words. Charlie Kauffman IS an amazing writer. Sometimes people who get credit actually deserve it. :) Don't worry about it.

this is the response i wish i could have given. :(

:)

[35ft6]

Originally posted by shawgirl74


this is the response i wish i could have given. :(

:) I thought you pretty much did. I was thinking if I saw your response before I responded I could have saved myself 10 minutes. :)

[shawgirl74]

Originally posted by 35ft6
I thought you pretty much did. I was thinking if I saw your response before I responded I could have saved myself 10 minutes. :)

:) sweet!

[Robot_4nicator]

Originally posted by Robocon^^
Hey, I bet it doesn't say what Bob whispers in Charlotte's ear at the end either...OMG what unfinished scripting!


You mean you don't know? Murray said "I made this film to tick off Tom)

[Robocon^^]

and then they had a teary kiss...how sweet :)

[Margin Walker]

*bump*

I hope Don Cheadle (Lead actor), The Incredibles (Animated feature) and Before Sunset (Writing [adapted screenplay]) win....

[kingka]

did they just call zhang ziyi.. zee zee yang?

[Eric Nakamura]

Scott Stokdyk who won an oscar just now for spiderman was on my tennis team. he was a cool guy from wichita.. ok next...

[Margin Walker]

Dammit, "Before Sunset" lost to "Sideways"!! Meh. At least "The Incredibles" won for best animated feature.....

[kingka]

bah.. sideways...

[Eric Nakamura]

bah in general.

[AddictProne]

i kind of like that, it shakes things up. All the musical performances I am not enjoying.

[BOON]

Iago, you suck cock ten times worse on an internet forum, please, nga.

Prince is funny.

Catalina Sandino Moreno is hot.

Salma Hayek was annoying as shit but the winner of the award for best song from the Motorcylcle Diaries had the best speech.

Feel bad for Scorsese but at least they wasnt giving no sympathy Oscar.

Props to Charlie Kaufman.

Swank's speech wasnt that cool but nothing compared to Halle Berry's.

Did anyone like Chris Rock's Bush/Gap/Banana Republic analogy?

I like movies so I do like the Oscars...

[kamenriderv3]

beyonce singing several times. :confused:

[Yojimbo]

Catalina Sandino Moreno is hot.



agreed.

poor scorsese. he's going to be the dan marino of hollywood cinema. not like an oscar is comparable to a super bowl ring, but y'all catch my drift.

[invictus]

Fuck Score-sees - dude doesn't know when to fucking call it quits with his movies - they go on and on because no one has the balls to tell him to fucking EDIT!!!

Finding Neverland was robbed for best actor and others. So was House of Flying Daggers for cinematography.

[akuma]

Originally posted by invictus
Finding Neverland was robbed for best actor and others.


fuck that, jamie totally deserved it

[invictus]

He's a punkass. Have no desire to see Ray. Don't dig Jamie Fox.

[akuma]

Originally posted by invictus
He's a punkass. Have no desire to see Ray. Don't dig Jamie Fox.


:rolleyes:

[AddictProne]

Originally posted by invictus
He's a punkass. Have no desire to see Ray. Don't dig Jamie Fox.

simply because you have no desire to see it or because you hate the actor in the movie doesn't mean the actor doesn't deserve credit for his talent.

With that said, talent gets too much respect in our world and really it should go to character. But character doesn't sell seats.

[stinky]

after seeing jamie foxx on inside the actor's studio i have much more respect for him. he seems like a very genuine person, very grateful for his celebrity-ness. invictus sounds bitter that her boner for johnny dep went unnoticed. :D

[invictus]

Maybe a little bitter, but I think when it comes to character (not to mention talent and range) Johnny Depp is much more respectable than Jamie Foxx. Read interviews with the guy (all PR BS hyping Ray) and he seems like a prick.

[Liver_on_a_Stick]

Scorsese's only Oscar will be his lifetime achievement award.

[(>_<)]

Originally posted by invictus
Maybe a little bitter, but I think when it comes to character (not to mention talent and range) Johnny Depp is much more respectable than Jamie Foxx. Read interviews with the guy (all PR BS hyping Ray) and he seems like a prick.

yeah, you're bitter.

but what about lumet's speech, huh? that was beautiful.

[ocd]

Originally posted by kamenriderv3
beyonce singing several times. :confused: I kept flipping past the station, not knowing that the Oscars were on, and thought some kind of fucking Beyoncé concert was on, till I finally saw someone on stage with an award.

[charlos3000]

i don't care about any of the show unless cate blanchett is involved.

everyone else can go home.

[kingka]

Originally posted by invictus
Maybe a little bitter, but I think when it comes to character (not to mention talent and range) Johnny Depp is much more respectable than Jamie Foxx. Read interviews with the guy (all PR BS hyping Ray) and he seems like a prick.


yea, jamie, what a role model for his daughtor.

there was this thing about him awhile ago, he apparently had sex with a few girls at one time, and photographed it. then threw the photos out. like a huge stack of em. and some Pavarotsi picked em up. jamie found out, and sent his goons after him... dunno how much of this story is true....

never liked the guy though. but I hear he's pretty talented Singing / acting / dancing / piano...

[Robocon^^]

guess the value on those photos just went up with the oscar win.
http://www.femalefirst.co.uk/entertainment/23892004.htm

[BOON]

Originally posted by invictus
Fuck Score-sees - dude doesn't know when to fucking call it quits with his movies - they go on and on because no one has the balls to tell him to fucking EDIT!!!

Finding Neverland was robbed for best actor and others. So was House of Flying Daggers for cinematography.

Fuck Scorsese? OK...

If you wanna talk about "robbed," that applies more towards Taxi Driver, Raging Bull and Goodfellas...not those you just mentioned, come on now.

Plus, prick or not, Foxx was great in Ray and am little surprised that a Johnny Depp fan feels he needs to win an Oscar to be validated.

[liquid mass]

Would there be such a rage over Foxx if the real Ray hadn't just kicked the bucket?

This is a question. Your answers will be opinions.

Having not seen it yet I have no opinion.

[BOON]

Foxx would have won regarless...its the perfect Oscard kind of role, portraying an American icon, plus, add in Foxx's climb from Living Color to this and his role in Collateral....

[liquid mass]

Not sure what his "climb from Living Color" means or why it needs to be added in. Depp's climb from 21 jump street? Dehackio's climb from whatever the hell that thicke show he came from was? With the rare exception, everyone climbed from somewhere.




Sorry, I forgot that I don't even care about the oscars. I did live in a trailer park but I'm not yet an actress.:(

[akuma]

selma's titties were out of control

[Mutterlein]

Thank god Michel Gondry and Charlie Kaufman won. I would have been sooooo pissed.

[liquid mass]

ever so pissed?

[ocd]

They've got a new movie coming out together, so it's probably a marketing thing.

Not that I mind at all. :D

[liquid mass]

Yeah, nothing like this Basking Shark at all!

[ocd]

hahaha

[martin]

The best parts were Russ Meyer and Rodney Dangerfield in the obits and Prince presenting an award.

I liked Chris Rock as host.

[akuma]

next thing you know they'll have the awards being presented in a parking lot with a drive thru- yeah id like my oscar with a mcflurry


rock was def on top of his game last night


BROOKLYN!

[BOON]

Prince was def. cool, good voice while reading the parts too. But I can never stop laughing when I see him, in a good way, though, he got so much style...pretty unusual for him to do something like the Oscar's, perhaps its his age setting in?

Going from doing "I'll rock your world" chick to an Oscar seems like more of a climb than from being on an actual TV drama to me.

Did anyone else think Jorge Drexler's speech was the best (guy who won best song)? I think I read that Joe Pesci's entire speech for best supporting actor for Goodfellas consisted of this: "It is my honour, thank you very much." Thats sweet.

[ocd]

Originally posted by BOON
"It is my honour, thank you very much." Thats sweet. That's what I call an acceptance speech. None of that thanking a million people crap. Keep it short, people!

[BOON]

Is it just me or does there seem to be quite a bit of people watching and commenting about the show who apparently 'dont give a fuck about it' or whatever?

[BOON]

Did anyone see the Sea Inside, btw? Props to Amenabar and Javier Bardem, that guy rules! Jamon, Jamon!

[liquid mass]

Originally posted by BOON
Is it just me or does there seem to be quite a bit of people watching and commenting about the show who apparently 'dont give a fuck about it' or whatever?
If I am one of the people you are referring to, my question was about the rage over Foxx in particular, not the oscars. No, I did not watch it, but I do listen to the news and of course it was all over that. But, as you see, I had to remind myself that it did involve the oscars, which I really don't place much value on, and why I was bothering... and, well, here I go again.

[ocd]

And as the thread title does imply, we are intended to bitch about it.

[liquid mass]

Yeah, nothing like this Basking Shark at all!










ok, I'll stop now.

[ocd]

http://informatics.buffalo.edu/faculty/ellison/Syllabi/519Complete/formats/films/oscar.jpg http://www.mathrec.org/jpeg/symbol-b9.gif http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/nova/sharks/world/images/perrine004.jpeg

[liquid mass]

the similarity... incredible

[BOON]

Originally posted by ocd
And as the thread title does imply, we are intended to bitch about it.

I know, I know, it just reminds me of all them fools who watch ET and buy US mags then cant wait to tell us how they cant stand Britney and co. (And Liq Mass, I was mostly referring to Iago).

[ohsoquiet]

http://images7.fotki.com/v158/photos/1/108328/479502/oscars05g-vi.jpg

wtf?

[kamenriderv3]

Originally posted by CoupDeFeu
^HEE!

speaking of salma, what was with putting her together with penelope? was there a point to the latina double whammy?

bandidas movie

[liquid mass]

Now that has basking shark qualities. My mouth is agape.

[kamenriderv3]

Originally posted by invictus
He's a punkass. Have no desire to see Ray. Don't dig Jamie Fox.

impossible! hollywood is only filled with nice people...

[Margin Walker]

Originally posted by kingka
and some Pavarotsi picked em up.
Um, I believe you meant paparazzi (http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=paparazzi). Yeah, this year sucked. I stopped watching when Rock did the crap intro w/ "Catherine Zeta-Jones" (a.k.a. Adam Sandler). I'm glad that Rock took the time to dis Dubya at the beginning of the show, thought. :D

[BOON]

Ya, surprised more people aint talkin about this: for those yall who missed it, Rock made gave props to Bush for getting "rehired" for his job even though a surplus turned into a huge deficit and an unjustified war by this Gap/Banana Republic analogy. Basically like...

"Lets just say you worked at the Gap, and youre a cashier. At the begining of the shift, theres $100 in the register and at the end of it you're short $10000, how the hell you gon keep yo job after something like that?

And lets say you work at the Gap again and you wanna go to war with Banana Republic because they selling somekind of toxic tank tops. Well, you get to go to war but when you get there, you find out BR dont even sell tank tops!" ...or something like that.

Bush also got Best Actor at the RAZZIES!!!

[BOON]

Btw, Sean Penn looked so f'in lame trying to defend Jude Law from one of Rock's jokes...its a meaningless joke, homey.

[YelloKitty]

http://us.news2.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/p/ap/20050228/capt.kdk30702280459.oscars_kdk307.jpg
Oscar presenter Tim Robbins makes a gesture toward host Chris Rock, after Rock's comments about his politics during the 77th Academy Awards (news - web sites) Sunday, Feb. 27, 2005, in Los Angeles. (AP Photo/Mark J. Terrill)

[YelloKitty]

Originally posted by Margin Walker

Um, I believe you meant paparazzi (http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=paparazzi). Yeah, this year sucked. I stopped watching when Rock did the crap intro w/ "Catherine Zeta-Jones" (a.k.a. Adam Sandler). I'm glad that Rock took the time to dis Dubya at the beginning of the show, thought. :D
HAHAHA PAVAROTSI

[YelloKitty]

i can't believe how everyone saw and loved "white chicks" and it didn't even get nominated. WHAT IN THE WORLD!

[fmstlr]

I wanna be ina penelope-salma Torta

[akuma]

thats my sammich holmes!

you can have the leftovers.

[kamenriderv3]

http://us.movies1.yimg.com/movies.yahoo.com/images/he/photo/movie_pix/oscars/77th_academy_awards_parties_photos/_group_photos/salma_hayek46.jpg

[invictus]

That was sexy.... queers in attendance at the oscar party we attended were drooling over the pair.... so were the breeders.

[AddictProne]

Originally posted by YelloKitty
http://us.news2.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/p/ap/20050228/capt.kdk30702280459.oscars_kdk307.jpg
Oscar presenter Tim Robbins makes a gesture toward host Chris Rock, after Rock's comments about his politics during the 77th Academy Awards (news - web sites) Sunday, Feb. 27, 2005, in Los Angeles. (AP Photo/Mark J. Terrill)


haha, that picture gives me so much respect for Tim Robbins.

[AddictProne]

Originally posted by invictus
Maybe a little bitter, but I think when it comes to character (not to mention talent and range) Johnny Depp is much more respectable than Jamie Foxx. Read interviews with the guy (all PR BS hyping Ray) and he seems like a prick.

oh without a doubt. Depp is far superior in everyway. But the award also considers the synergy of the actor with the role he's given, plus the signifance of the movie. Ray Charles just died. James Barrie didn't. It was timing.

[invictus]

Originally posted by BOON
Foxx would have won regarless...its the perfect Oscard kind of role, portraying an American icon, plus, add in Foxx's climb from Living Color to this and his role in Collateral....

[NATIONALIST RAGE]Since when does a Canadian get to tell me about the perfect American idol!!![/NATIONALIST RAGE]

[AddictProne]

Originally posted by invictus


[NATIONALIST RAGE]Since when does a Canadian get to tell me about the perfect American idol!!![/NATIONALIST RAGE]

haha, OWNED.

[BOON]

"OWNED?"
"OWNED?"
"OWNED?" Please, that happens when i put my foot up your ass. And "synergy" or no "synergy" even if James Barrie died, he still isnt the icon Charles is. And wasnt synergy some kind of power Gem (and the Holograms) had?

Invic: [CANADIAN BACON]...whenever anyone of you guys needs to be told, I guess [STRANGE BREW]. Things could be a lot worse than Foxx's Ray role winning the award, come on, now...[BC BUD/OUR BOSS AINT DUBYA/ETC]

[Eric Nakamura]

when will scorcese win?

[BOON]

(ERIC: you got mail from me, thanks)

Probably when gets his honourary award like Hitchcock but then again isnt a Taxi Driver II in the works? I'm not sure if Scorsese not winning it for Gangs of NY and the Aviator are a good thing or what since i really think its better when they give it to the actual "best" movie of the year. GONY I dont think was, Aviator was probably a little closer to it but not quite?? But if/when he does get his honourary, everyone will be talking about will be about how he should have got one (two, three) ages ago, anyhow.

What was your guys' fav. Scorese movie anyhow? I think Raging Bull was the most powerful but enjoyed Goodfellas the most...

[AddictProne]

[QUOTE]Originally posted by BOON
[B]"OWNED?"
"OWNED?"
"OWNED?" Please, that happens when i put my foot up your ass. And "synergy" or no "synergy" even if James Barrie died, he still isnt the icon Charles is. And wasnt synergy some kind of power Gem (and the Holograms) had?

that's a big negative. James Barrie was an iconic figure in children's literature for a very long time. It is only recently that his prominence has dwindled because people don't read any more.

Also, Ray follows the entire life of Ray Charles while Finding Neverland does not, meaning that it is bound to be more important. Ray was more ambitious than Finding Neverland which is a credit to all the people working on the film.

If James Barrie died recently, and they did a film on his entire life, and America was more into reading, then I would say YOU ARE WRONG.

lol, but that's a lot of what if's.

and about synergy...

OWNED (http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=synergy)

hehe, I'm not fighting with you. I think Jamie Foxx deserved the Oscar.

[BOON]

I know you're not (cuz you'd get a foot up yo ass if you were, right?). I agree with your first couple if's though but the 3rd is like sayin well if black were white, no?

Plus, I think Depp is kinda like Sean Penn in that he isnt really the Oscar type but, sooner or later, with the right role, he'll probably be up on the stage accepting something in the future, because, slowly but surely, he will be undeniable for the "Academy". At least he got a nomination for POTC though, how often do comedies get them?

What would Depp's speech be like if he won? "Richard Grieco aint shit, yo!"....???

And, ya, the actual def. of synergy, sure, but wasnt that Gem's secret power in her show?

[invictus]

It was the name of the force that helped her and The Holograms become rock and roll superheroes.

[t3h1337p3nguin]

Originally posted by BOON
Plus, I think Depp is kinda like Sean Penn in that he isnt really the Oscar type but, sooner or later, with the right role, he'll probably be up on the stage accepting something in the future, because, slowly but surely, he will be undeniable for the "Academy". At least he got a nomination for POTC though, how often do comedies get them?
Comedy? More like action/adventure.

He's one of my top three hottest men alive.

[Denstradamus]

re: Ray

If you watched the movie, Fox had Ray's voice tremble down to the nervous twitches down to the direction his head was cocked. he had the blind man's shuffle.

but in a way it wasn't fair, Fox had some advantages. if you take away booty call and the stints in living color you will note that he is a classically trained pianist with perfect pitch. and if you were a fan of in living color and/or def comedy jam you will remember that he used his perfect pitch to devestating effect in his impersonations (mike tyson etc.)

it was a great performance, but you know what? i didn't think he deserved it. it should have gone to don cheadle (that other black guy nominated) for Hotel Rwanda.

[Denstradamus]

Originally posted by Eric Nakamura
when will scorcese win?


they'll throw a "lifetime appreciation award" at him someday.


boon> taxi driver.

[AddictProne]

Originally posted by invictus
It was the name of the force that helped her and The Holograms become rock and roll superheroes.

i laugh at you for knowing that. Bawhahahaa!

[AddictProne]

Originally posted by Denstradamus
re: Ray

If you watched the movie, Fox had Ray's voice tremble down to the nervous twitches down to the direction his head was cocked. he had the blind man's shuffle.

but in a way it wasn't fair, Fox had some advantages. if you take away booty call and the stints in living color you will note that he is a classically trained pianist with perfect pitch. and if you were a fan of in living color and/or def comedy jam you will remember that he used his perfect pitch to devestating effect in his impersonations (mike tyson etc.)

it was a great performance, but you know what? i didn't think he deserved it. it should have gone to don cheadle (that other black guy nominated) for Hotel Rwanda.

ah, true. I can't comment on Hotel Rwanda because I really didn't see it.

BUT i know Don Cheadle is by far a superior actor in every regard than Jamie Foxx. It would have been nice if they gave the award to events with social importance instead of the iconic glamorization of individuals we in America love so much.

[BOON]

Originally posted by AddictProne


i laugh at you for knowing that. Bawhahahaa!

(Canadian) me too. So I guess "Synergy" is the Gem & the Holograms equivalent of the Force?

[BOON]

"BUT i know Don Cheadle is by far a superior actor in every regard than Jamie Foxx. It would have been nice if they gave the award to events with social importance instead of the iconic glamorization of individuals we in America love so much."

- True, Don Cheadle IS dope but I dont think the heroin bits and womanization, etc was really a "glamourization," do you?

Also, Cheadle is so versatile but then you cant say Foxx is not when he got nominated for 2 awards for 2 very different movies. And what about Steamin Willie Beaman and the role he played in Ali? Come to think of it, I getting more respect for Foxx now...and dope as Cheadle is (Devil in a Blue Dress), he doesnt have that leading man type quality, really nor the charisma that Foxx has so I guess he isnt clearly superior in EVERY regard.

Actually, wasnt Cheadle considered for the part of Shaft (which Tarantino should have totally directed)?

[BOON]

"BUT i know Don Cheadle is by far a superior actor in every regard than Jamie Foxx. It would have been nice if they gave the award to events with social importance instead of the iconic glamorization of individuals we in America love so much."

- True, Don Cheadle IS dope but I dont think the heroin bits and womanization, etc was really a "glamourization," do you?

Also, Cheadle is so versatile but then you cant say Foxx is not when he got nominated for 2 awards for 2 very different movies. And what about Steamin Willie Beaman and the role he played in Ali? Come to think of it, I getting more respect for Foxx now...and dope as Cheadle is (Devil in a Blue Dress), he doesnt have that leading man type quality, really nor the charisma that Foxx has so I guess he isnt clearly superior in EVERY regard.

Actually, wasnt Cheadle considered for the part of Shaft (which Tarantino should have totally directed)?

Oh, oh, .....and....I think it should be still be a considered a victory for Cheadle's role in Hotel Rwanda or CSM in Maria Full of Grace to be nominated. Those were very little seen movies but still got nods in the big show, that means something I think (esp. considering the fact that Maria Full of Grace was not even in English).

Also, i didnt realize that watching Swank's piece in 60 Minutes II last night, that Boys Dont Cry was a puney little movie too and so was Monster. I dont think that the big show is not that neglectful of "social importance" (even thought its usually token...).

[AddictProne]

Originally posted by BOON


- True, Don Cheadle IS dope but I dont think the heroin bits and womanization, etc was really a "glamourization," do you?


I was actually referring to America's fascination with people who are in the spot light. Ray Charles was famous. If he had been a carpenter, (which could have been a great story. A blind carpenter with a heroin problem? That's INSANE.) it would have never made it on screen. Nor would people have really cared about the character.


Also, Cheadle is so versatile but then you cant say Foxx is not when he got nominated for 2 awards for 2 very different movies. And what about Steamin Willie Beaman and the role he played in Ali? Come to think of it, I getting more respect for Foxx now...and dope as Cheadle is (Devil in a Blue Dress), he doesnt have that leading man type quality, really nor the charisma that Foxx has so I guess he isnt clearly superior in EVERY regard.


Ok, he isn't superior in every regard. But he deserves alot more credit than he's given. My point is that Cheadle is overlooked while Foxx is over looked. (that was a play with words there. Did you see it? I'm so proud of myself.)

[BOON]

"Ray Charles was famous. "

I know what you mean but you're also acting like Ray Charles wasnt Ray Charles. We ARE talking about one of the godfathers of soul/modern music here, arent we? I mean was he not an amazing musician with one of the most important careers in modern history with tons of cultural/social signficance to boot aswell?

"But he deserves alot more credit than he's given. My point is that Cheadle is overlooked while Foxx is over looked. "

Sure he hasnt won an oscar yet but he has been pretty critically hailed for many roles he's done (Blue Dress, all the PT Anderson and Soderbergh ones and now getting nominated for this). I wouldnt bother holding your breathe to seem him win one to have your admiration validated though, you know how them oscars work...

Actually, his career probably would have changed big time if he actually got the Shaft part, that would have been interesting (SLJ was probably the best choice but as far as his career, i dont think it made too much diff for it cuz the movie sucked so bad, he played a much better Shaft as Jules Winfield).

[AddictProne]

Originally posted by BOON


I know what you mean but you're also acting like Ray Charles wasnt Ray Charles. We ARE talking about one of the godfathers of soul/modern music here, arent we? I mean was he not an amazing musician with one of the most important careers in modern history with tons of cultural/social signficance to boot aswell?


Right, exactly. So that's the reason for him winning the oscar over people who are more talented. The role was just a perfect fit and more important than the others. No one cares about Finding Neverland and no one cares about Rwanda. What I'm saying is that those are both things people should care about because I feel that they are both more important. Yes. I FEEL.


Sure he hasnt won an oscar yet but he has been pretty critically hailed for many roles he's done (Blue Dress, all the PT Anderson and Soderbergh ones and now getting nominated for this). I wouldnt bother holding your breathe to seem him win one to have your admiration validated though, you know how them oscars work...


He is critically acclaimed. But considering the culture relevence of the movie and the talent he brought to it, I'd have to say that he deserved it more. I'm not going to hold my breath because, you are right, i know how the oscars work. But my critique is that they really shouldn't work in that way. That's me being a baby and whining "it's not fair."

[BOON]

Peter Pan is more "important" than jazz/blues/soul/gospel music?

[AddictProne]

Originally posted by BOON
Peter Pan is more "important" than jazz/blues/soul/gospel music?



taken from pbs.org

quote

Sir James Barrie | 1860-1937

At the forefront of the Edwardian cult of childhood was Peter Pan, J.M. Barrie's play about a boy who would not grow up. Between 1904 and 1915, Peter Pan played on the London stage to sold-out crowds every Christmas. Peter Pan also ushered in a greater commercialization of children's literature. Peter Pan in Kensington Garden, published in 1906 and illustrated by Arthur Rackham, was the Christmas gift of choice for children swept up in the Neverland of the fairy story. After Peter Pan, the book industry began to produce not only more elaborate editions of children's books, like Rackham's, but also better and cheaper editions. The Edwardians' idealized children also became an ideal market. Barrie, who was made a baronet in 1913, knew the London literary market well. Born in the provincial Scottish town of Kirriemuir, Barrie went to London to embark on a journalism career. For the St. James Gazette he wrote a series of columns about his native town, which in the Gazette he called "Thrums." In 1888, Barrie published Auld Licht Idylls, a collection of these columns, and this volume, along with its sequels, A Window in Thrums and The Little Minister, solidified his literary reputation. Other plays and books followed, most notably the 1902 novel The Little White Bird, in which the story of Peter Pan appears for the first time. The Little White Bird is notable also for its theme -- a version of which would appear two years later in Peter Pan -- of a boyish man who refuses to "grow up" but who also seeks affection and allegiance from an idealized boy. Barrie's boy-love disturbs the modern reader in ways that the vast majority of Edwardians would not have even had the language to articulate. Instead, a huge Edwardian audience loved Peter Pan for its celebration of the triumphs of joyful youth. Barrie never again enjoyed a success on the scale of Peter Pan, but he did enjoy the perpetual success of his creation, which granted him an eternal connection of sorts to the youth he so idealized.

end quote

and he invented the name Alice.

[Margin Walker]

*bump*

The Coen Bros. just won for best adapted screenplay!

[Spiderman]

WHY so much blah blah?

- spidey

[FDM]

is it just me, or does ellen page look like if elmer fudd was a real guy and had a daughter?

http://img89.imageshack.us/img89/7135/7903ellenpageal4.jpghttp://img89.imageshack.us/img89/435/elmerfuddcl8.jpg

[stinky]

It's just you.

[650lex]

i really need to watch that Edith Piaf bio pic

[Rosita]

Yes that one looks interesting.

[35ft6]

Ellen Page on Barbara Walters, simply winning. She seems like such a smart, cool chick.

Random thoughts: French best actress was so cute, and it seemed like Forrest was congratulating her a little too much... Cormac Mccarthy jumped out of his seat, which was kind of cool to see... the Coen brothers kind of seem like douche bags... Scott Rudin, when I was living in NYC, everybody had an outrageous Scott Rudin story, he is what the movie Swimming with Sharks was based on supposedly... kind of sad to see how much people have aged... Daniel so deserved his Oscars, that performance was one of the best I've ever seen period... Viggo looked kind of pissed when he didn't win... it was kind of strange that Enchanted had three nominations in best song...

[Spiderman]

Bunch of people, lots of blah blah blah... looonnnggg boring movie themes.. too many TRIBUTES.. Tuxedos, random shots of celebritys, John stewart, Cameron Diaz is a moron, I blanked out for a while, Best actor, DDL, Clooney looks pissed LOL? Daniel Day Lewis is on but he looks like a british hippy with a pirate earring? Really? Cate Blanchett gets snubbed for best actress, and supporting actress. Some cute girl wins an award, I turn on the sound, turns out it was for Juno, I turn off the sound. Cohen brothers get best direction, and then oh shit best movie. Then credits.. Mission impossible theme in the background.

What a magical experience

- spidey

[IslanderSteve]

Originally posted by 35ft6
... Scott Rudin, when I was living in NYC, everybody had an outrageous Scott Rudin story, he is what the movie Swimming with Sharks was based on supposedly...

Swimming with Sharks... damn, that was a good movie. Really sold me on Spacey. And Benicio Del Toro has a teeny-tiny role in it, but he was terrific, as well.

As for the Oscars? Whatever. I can't remember the last time I watched it. It's just sooooo long.

[pkittie]

Supposedly the Coens can't stand Rudin, hence the stoic faces. And Streep based her character from "Devil Wears Prada" on him.

Spidey: the tributes were an affect of having 1 week of prep for the Oscars after the strike (hence Stewart making fun of it with "Nightmares of the Oscars" montage). If the strike hadn't ended, the Oscars would've been ALL montages.

Seem like Colin Farrell wants to be DDL-he has adopted the double earring and flowing hair look that DDL has.

So let's see...a Brit, a Spaniard, a French, an Irish all win best acting...Americans need to step it up.

[yamchild]

wait... cormac mccarthy was at the oscars?! i thought he was supposed to be some pychon-style recluse. so... dude can't be arsed to sign his books in person, but he can show up to some multi-hour entertainment industry circle jerk? i overheard a little bit of the show. they manage to even make jon stewart unfunny. i don't know how someone not directly invovled with this stuff can stand watching it in its entirety.

[Denstradamus]

Originally posted by 35ft6


Random thoughts: French best actress was so cute, and it seemed like Forrest was congratulating her a little too much...



Yeah Forrest tends to do that alot. I remember I was watching the Golden Globes a couple of years ago. America Ferrera introduced him and when he came out he stared at her and said something like "Ugly Betty? More like "America, the beautiful." Which made me laugh, but you know there's a thin line between being over-earnest and creepy. Forrest is skating that thin line.

[35ft6]

Originally posted by pkittie
Supposedly the Coens can't stand Rudin, hence the stoic faces.Yeah, I noticed that, but by that time, I dismissed it was maybe they're just always like that. So let's see...a Brit, a Spaniard, a French, an Irish all win best acting...Americans need to step it up. It was a big night for France.

I really could have done with all the footage of past winners/Oscar shows. I felt like they were trying to convince us the Oscars is bigger than any strike, and don't forget that. But it became unbearable after a while.