i hate ancient rome

[phism]

it sucks.

[Decadent1]

<pre><font size=2>Interesting.</pre></font size=2>

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Ancient Rome no longer exists.

[Decadent1]

<pre><font size=2>Then the correct usage would be, "It sucked."</pre></font size=2>

[angrykitty]

is it because they were a bunch of arrogrant slave owners that stole land from countless cultures?

[BooBoo-Kitty]

{georgetakei} oh my. {/georgetakei}

hahahaha!

[Asharak]

Anyone ever see the uncut version of Caligula? Midget sex galore, folks.

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[montyburnz]

Originally posted by Waco Jesus
Anyone ever see the uncut version of Caligula? Midget sex galore, folks.

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How come anytime someone wants to add "PERVERSION" to a film they have to break out with the midgets? Leave the lil' people alone!

[ninjaKid]

man, most of the inhabitants of ancient Rome were stoopid. all they did was sit around and eat grapes or whatever. what kind of culture is that. and they're all brainwashed into believing that Jupiter crap . . . when everyone knows it's ZEUS!

"why don't you move back to Greece then?"

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[kamenriderv3]

That movie was so over the top. Bloodshed and torture mixed in with sex and partying. Did they really bury people up to their necks and slice off their heads with a giant metal blade weedwhacker?

[Ryan]

hmm didnt they also have them vomitoriums where you ate an ishload of food, got full, excused yourself to go to the vomitorium andbarfed it all out, came back and sat down for more..?

what a life

[kamenriderv3]

Decadence was definitely in that movie. They had some mad violent action. One torture scene I remember was the one where they forced a guy to drink a lot then they stabbed him in the stomach and the alcohol drained out. Thats even worse than the weedwacker head chopping thing because you still live through the pain and suffering.

Didn't Caligula rape a couple newlyweds? At their wedding ceremony no less. That guy was going on a meglomaniac trip.

[Johnney5]

That movie was the most jacked. And go fig...I own it. My friends got nauseous once when we watched it and played Monopoly. Needless to say, we didn't really play the game.

But yeah, when the Romans had orgies, this included eating like a pig and throwing up, sex, and other decadent stuff. It was a jacked era.

[lark2222]

"I, Claudius" turned me on to ancient rome. of course, I'm 28 and I wasn't forced to read it. i hated almost everything i was forced to study back in high school.

Caligula was one of the biggest bait-and-switch scams in Hollywood history....all these decent actors filmed some scenes and then the director cut in the porn stuff in post-production.

[Panthor]

I am sorry but I dig ancient rome. As far as most of the bad things that have been posted about it (sex, vomitoriums, conquering cultures, etc.) isn't all that more rampant on a bigger scale today than it ever was back then?
Discuss it amongst yourselves.

[dequinix]

The Roman Empire, its stroll through history and progressive states of anarchy and order, has to be one of the most interesting things I've ever come across. The Caligula film was definitely over the top, and Graves' I Claudius is undoubtedly a better adaptation of the actual accounts of the empire.

Er. Yah. It rocks.

[phism]

Originally posted by Panthor
I am sorry but I dig ancient rome. As far as most of the bad things that have been posted about it (sex, vomitoriums, conquering cultures, etc.) isn't all that more rampant on a bigger scale today than it ever was back then?
Discuss it amongst yourselves.

that's why i don't like it. it's the origin of a lot of shit i hate today.

[Panthor]

Originally posted by phism
Originally posted by Panthor
I am sorry but I dig ancient rome. As far as most of the bad things that have been posted about it (sex, vomitoriums, conquering cultures, etc.) isn't all that more rampant on a bigger scale today than it ever was back then?
Discuss it amongst yourselves.


that's why i don't like it. it's the origin of a lot of shit i hate today.

The same things occured in the east as well keep in mind, the ming dyanasty and the rule of genghis were equally as decedant. Also these things didn't "orginate" in ancient rome. It is human nature. It would have happened whether ancient rome existed or not. Just think of all the good he came out of rome instead of the bad. The bad will always be, might as well learn from the bad and take from the good.

[falcor]

hah. then why haven't we learned by now. humans must be the slowest evolving creatures on earth.

(i woke up on the wrong side of the bed today)

[lark2222]

Originally posted by Panthor
Originally posted by phism
Originally posted by Panthor
I am sorry but I dig ancient rome. As far as most of the bad things that have been posted about it (sex, vomitoriums, conquering cultures, etc.) isn't all that more rampant on a bigger scale today than it ever was back then?
Discuss it amongst yourselves.


that's why i don't like it. it's the origin of a lot of shit i hate today.

The same things occured in the east as well keep in mind, the ming dyanasty and the rule of genghis were equally as decedant. Also these things didn't "orginate" in ancient rome. It is human nature. It would have happened whether ancient rome existed or not. Just think of all the good he came out of rome instead of the bad. The bad will always be, might as well learn from the bad and take from the good.


Right on, Panthor. I think Ancient Rome symbolizes the noblest and most savage aspects of human nature all at the same time. The culture that produced bloodthirsty gladiator spectacles also produced cultural innovations od great subtlety and beauty. And it was amazing for me to learn that in general the Romans were tolerant of the cultures they occupied, and even brought many foreign gods into their own religion. For the most part, they brought order and civilization along with war.

And it all makes for damn entertaining reading, too.

[kamenriderv3]

Sounds like the World Trade Organization. Or Microsoft. ;-]

[fmstlr]

Without ancient Rome, Bruce would have to kick Chuck Norris' ass right there on the sidewalk.

[phism]

Originally posted by lark2222
Originally posted by Panthor
Originally posted by phism
Originally posted by Panthor
I am sorry but I dig ancient rome. As far as most of the bad things that have been posted about it (sex, vomitoriums, conquering cultures, etc.) isn't all that more rampant on a bigger scale today than it ever was back then?
Discuss it amongst yourselves.


that's why i don't like it. it's the origin of a lot of shit i hate today.

The same things occured in the east as well keep in mind, the ming dyanasty and the rule of genghis were equally as decedant. Also these things didn't "orginate" in ancient rome. It is human nature. It would have happened whether ancient rome existed or not. Just think of all the good he came out of rome instead of the bad. The bad will always be, might as well learn from the bad and take from the good.


Right on, Panthor. I think Ancient Rome symbolizes the noblest and most savage aspects of human nature all at the same time. The culture that produced bloodthirsty gladiator spectacles also produced cultural innovations od great subtlety and beauty. And it was amazing for me to learn that in general the Romans were tolerant of the cultures they occupied, and even brought many foreign gods into their own religion. For the most part, they brought order and civilization along with war.

And it all makes for damn entertaining reading, too.


but eastern cultures haven't influenced america nearly as much. plus, i prefer genghis khan to julius caesar. because that's cool. but um, as far as the art, i find it boring...and i do sort of admire the way that they incorporated things after conquering instead of destroying them. they were politically efficient, though despotic. and i'm not sure that efficiency is enough justification for despotism, but that could turn into a left/right debate, and whatever. also, i didn't say eastern cultures were better. i guess i do like them more myself, but that's just my opinion. and there's various reasons for that, but this thread is about my contempt for ancient rome and the roots it has in today's society that i'd like herbicide to be applied to.

[tangent23]

a recurring theme in Philip K Dick's later speculative fiction is that the Roman Empire never ended and that we are still living it [kinda wierd i know, but makes sense if you read his work].

phism: from what i've read of your posts, i think you would dig his work, his viewpoint is similar to yours, and he has a wicked sense of humour.

from a transcript of a talk (http://www.deoxy.org/pkd_how2build.htm)
Parmenides would be proud of me. I have gazed at a constantly changing world and declared that underneath it lies the eternal, the unchanging, the absolutely real. but how has this come about? If the real time is circa A.D. 50, then why do we see A.D. 1978? And if we are really living in the Roman Empire, somewhere in Syria, why do we see the United States?

During the Middle Ages, a curious theory arose, which I will now present to you for what it is worth. It is the theory that the Evil One—Satan—is the "Ape of God." That he creates spurious imitations of creation, of God's authentic creation, and then interpolates them for that authentic creation. Does this odd theory help explain my experience? Are we to believe that we are occluded, that we are deceived, that it is not 1978 but A.D. 50... and Satan has spun a counterfeit reality to wither our faith in the return of Christ?

I can just picture myself being examined by a psychiatrist. The psychiatrist says, "What year is it?" And I reply, "A.D. 50." The psychiatrist blinks and then asks, "And where are you?" I reply, "In Judaea." "Where the heck is that?" the psychiatrist asks. "It's part of the Roman Empire," I would have to answer. "Do you know who is President?" the psychiatrist would ask, and I would answer, "The Procurator Felix." "You're pretty sure about this?" the psychiatrist would ask, meanwhile giving a covert signal to two very large psych techs. "Yep," I'd replay. "Unless Felix has stepped down and had been replaced by the Procurator Festus. You see, Saint Paul was held by Felix for?quot; "Who told you all this?" the psychiatrist would break in, irritably, and I would reply, "The Holy Spirit." And after that I'd be in the rubber room, inside gazing out, and knowing exactly how come I was there.

[The HeWar]

roman literature is awful.

[phism]

i'd like to read a philip dick book... people on here have mentioned him occasionally...

i understand that there were decadent eastern cultures, but they aren't the ones that have continued into the modern west, where i live.
i also don't remember what else i said in here way back when, so give me the benefit of the doubt on some of these, because i may've changed my mind about some things...

i know neither are from ancient times, i prefer the baroque to the renaissance.... and the same with any of those sorts of repetitions that have gone on since...


a big part of why i don't like it though is how little other cultures are recognized for their influences... such greatness and ingenuity is attributed to rome, without considering the things that have come from the arabic, egyptian, aztec, indian, african, chinese cultures and sciences and such... occasionally people will mention these things, perhaps once in a high school history class, but only to somewhat appease people like me ;)

[el bombastico]

regarding Philip K Dick, that idea of his came out in his book Valis. Conceptually, it was one of his best, but VERY dense and hard to follow sometimes. Some brilliant ideas in there. Try reading Through A Scanner Darkly or one of his other popular books. GREAT great great writer.

[cellout]

ATLANTIS?
hit the block and get rowdy
we be throwin up A's like summa cum laude!

[key_loser]

Originally posted by 'jim



Discuss

I believe it's "discus"

[nagasawa]

What, no Ides of March thread?! Oh well. RIP to the original JC...

http://www.iol.ie/~coolmine/typ/romans/pg-30csr.gif

[Iago]

Originally posted by nagasawa
http://www.catholic-forum.com/saints/ncd00888.gif

Caesar was apparently a 3-story giant.

[FDM]

their orgies kicked our orgies' asses.

[nagasawa]

Originally posted by funkydrunknmonk
their orgies kicked our orgies' asses.

Hmm, I don't know. Were you at my last orgy?

[FDM]

was there vomiting involved?

['jim]

Originally posted by Asharak
Anyone ever see the uncut version of Caligula? Midget sex galore, folks.

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Don't forget the fisting.


What happened to Sara Tanaka?

[FDM]

she was in old school.

['jim]

For 5 minutes. That was what a few years ago?

[SDP]

Ancient Rome is great, because it shows us that we are not significantly different from bone-heads that lived 2000 years ago. Drop your hubris, everybody!

[will]

Yeah, but they could tell the future by reading bird entrails.. Know anybody that can do that now ?

[SDP]

I get my chickens at Kroger.

[Denstradamus]

Originally posted by nagasawa
What, no Ides of March thread?! Oh well. RIP to the original JC...

http://www.catholic-forum.com/saints/ncd00888.gif




i'm familiar with that statue. that's actually Augustus, not JC. people often confuse it with JC.

most JC statues depict him as a balding man in his middle ages.
most augustus pieces (done mostly by artists under his patronage) depict him in the prime of his youth (like that pic you posted). it was all part of his propaganda to make him seem like a god (a new apollo-aeneas) to the masses. i guess it's an attempt to legitimize his rule and to counter the fact that he was the nail in the coffin for the old republic.

[/talking parrot routine]

[nagasawa]

Originally posted by Denstradamus
i'm familiar with that statue. that's actually Augustus, not JC. people often confuse it with JC.

Well shut my mouth. Fixed!