Osama Bin Laden

[montyburnz]

If we're going to war, I think we need to know the enemy and better know why were are fighting.

http://www.frontline.org There's a link to the PBS documentary show Frontline and their feature on Osama Bin Laden. This is probably the best in-depth information out there on Bin Laden, his history, and how his organization operates.

Check out the interviews with 2 former CIA operatives. They raise some interesting issues. For example, they really caution the US to be deliberate in its approach to fighting terrorism. We have to be careful we don't turn this into a religious war with the Muslim world. In a post-Cold War, they also suggest we seem to be searching for "the Bogeyman" and Bin Laden fits the bill.

[Ryan]

my friends and i just checked out the most wanted list..hes #1 of course but im surprised they havent added the events of last week to the list of ish hes under suspicion for

[montyburnz]

he's still just a prime suspect. maybe they should say
he's wanted for questioning. see if that'll fly.

the discovery channel has a special on terrorists/bin Laden
this Wednesday

[blink]

This was forwarded to me :-

From Tamim Ansary, an Afghan-American)

I've been hearing a lot of talk about "bombing Afghanistan back to the Stone Age." Ronn Owens, on KGO Talk Radio today, allowed that this would mean killing innocent people, people who had nothing to do with this
atrocity, but "we're at war, we have to accept collateral damage. What else can we do?" Minutes later I heard some TV pundit discussing whether we "have the belly to do what must be done."

And I thought about the issues being raised especially hard because I am from Afghanistan, and even though I've lived here for 35 years I've never lost track of what's going on there. So I want to tell anyone who will listen how it all looks from where I'm standing.

I speak as one who hates the Taliban and Osama Bin Laden. There is no doubt in my mind that these people were responsible for the atrocity in New York. I agree that something must be done about those monsters.

But the Taliban and Ben Laden are not Afghanistan. They're not even the government of Afghanistan. The Taliban are a cult of ignorant psychotics who took over Afghanistan in 1997. Bin Laden is a political criminal with a plan. When you think Taliban, think Nazis. When you think Bin Laden, think Hitler. And when you think "the people of Afghanistan" think "the Jews in the concentration camps." It's not only that the Afghan people had nothing to do with this atrocity. They were the first victims of the perpetrators. They would exult if someone would come in there, take out the Taliban and clear out the rats nest of
international thugs holed up in their country.


Some say, why don't the Afghans rise up and overthrow the Taliban? The answer is, they're starved, exhausted, hurt, incapacitated, suffering. A few years ago, the United Nations estimated that there are 500,000 disabled orphans in Afghanistan--a country with no economy, no food.
There are millions of widows. And the Taliban has been burying these widows alive in mass graves. The soil is littered with land mines, the farms were all destroyed by the Soviets. These are a few of the reasons why the Afghan people have not overthrown the Taliban.

We come now to the question of bombing Afghanistan back to the Stone Age. Trouble is, that's been done. The Soviets took care of it already. Make the Afghans suffer? They're already suffering. Level their houses? Done. Turn their schools into piles of rubble? Done. Eradicate their
hospitals? Done. Destroy their infrastructure? Cut them off from >medicine and health care? Too late. Someone already did all that.

New bombs would only stir the rubble of earlier bombs. Would they at least get the Taliban? Not likely. In today's Afghanistan, only the Taliban eat, only they have the means to move around. They'd slip away and hide. Maybe the bombs would get some of those disabled orphans, they
don't move too fast, they don't even have wheelchairs. But flying over Kabul and dropping bombs wouldn't really be a strike against the criminals who did this horrific thing. Actually it would only be making common cause with the Taliban--by raping once again the people they've
been raping all this time

So what else is there? What can be done, then? Let me now speak with true fear and trembling. The only way to get Bin Laden is to go in there with ground troops. When people speak of "having the belly to do what needs to be done" they're thinking in terms of having the belly to kill
as many as needed. Having the belly to overcome any moral qualms about killing innocent people. Let's pull our heads out of the sand. What's actually on the table is Americans dying. And not just because some Americans would die fighting their way through Afghanistan to Bin Laden's hideout. It's much bigger than that folks. Because to get any troops to Afghanistan, we'd have to go through Pakistan. Would they let us? Not likely. The conquest of Pakistan would have to be first. Will other Muslim nations just stand by? You see where I'm going. We're flirting with a world war between Islam and the West.

And guess what: that's Bin Laden's program. That's exactly what he wants. That's why he did this. Read his speeches and statements. It's all right there. He really believes Islam would beat the west. It might seem ridiculous, but he figures if he can polarize the world into Islam and the West, he's got a billion soldiers. If the west wreaks a
holocaust in those lands, that's a billion people with nothing left to lose, that's even better from Bin Laden's point of view. He's probably wrong, in the end the west would win, whatever that would mean, but the war would last for years and millions would die, not just theirs but
ours. Who has the belly for that? Bin Laden does. Anyone else?

[montyburnz]

Tonight at 8:00pm Pacific Std. Time on PBS: Frontline's documentary Hunting Osama Bin Laden.

Followed by a very special Antiques Roadshow where Osama tries to find out what his Civil War era dolls are worth.

[liquid mass]

Found on CNN...

Bin Laden video: Americans' security does not depend on the president they elect, but on U.S. policy. "Your security is not in the hands of Kerry or Bush or al Qaeda." Details soon

[liquid mass]

Al-Jazeera Airs Videotape by Bin Laden


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Oct 29, 4:16 PM (ET)


CAIRO, Egypt (AP) - The Arab television station Al-Jazeera aired a video of Osama bin Laden on Friday directly admitting for the first time that he carried out the Sept. 11 attacks and promising to outline "the best way to avoid another Manhattan."

It was the first footage of the al-Qaida leader to surface in more than a year. The video showed bin Laden in traditional white robes, a turban and a cloak reading from papers and standing in front of a plain, brown cloth background.

"We decided to destroy towers in America," bin Laden said.

He said the attack was carried out because "we are a free people ... and we want to regain the freedom of our nation."

He also accused President Bush of "misleading" the American people three years since the 2001 suicide airline hijackings that hit the World Trade Center towers and the Pentagon.

[Decadent1]

Kerry / Edwards 2008
Four more years?

[ocd]

Full translated text is supposed to be on al-jazeera soon.

[liquid mass]

Al-Jazeera Airs Videotape by Bin Laden

Oct 29, 4:45 PM (ET)


CAIRO, Egypt (AP) - Osama bin Laden, reading a statement to the American people in a new videotape aired Friday, directly admitted for the first time that he ordered the Sept. 11 attacks and said "the best way to avoid another Manhattan" was to stop threatening Muslims' security.

It was the first footage of the al-Qaida leader to surface in more than a year. The video, broadcast on Al-Jazeera, showed bin Laden with a long gray beard, wearing traditional white robes, a turban and a golden cloak reading from papers in front of a plain, brown curtain.

In Washington, the FBI and Justice Department had no immediate assessment of the meaning of the bin Laden tape. Officials said one part of their analysis will be to discern whether there may be hidden messages or clues about a possible future attack against the United States. But they said it was too early to know that yet.

There was no way to determine when the tape was made, although it did refer to next week's presidential elections in the United States.

"We decided to destroy towers in America," bin Laden said, referring to the World Trade Center.

"God knows that it had not occurred to our mind to attack the towers, but after our patience ran out and we saw the injustice and inflexibility of the American-Israeli alliance toward our people in Palestine and Lebanon, this came to my mind," he said.

He accused President Bush of "misleading" the American people since the 2001 suicide airline hijackings that hit the World Trade Center and the Pentagon.

"Your security is not in the hands of (Democratic candidate John) Kerry or Bush or al-Qaida. Your security is in your own hands," bin Laden said.

"To the U.S. people, my talk is to you about the best way to avoid another disaster," he said. "I tell you: security is an important element of human life and free people do not give up their security."

"If Bush says we hate freedom, let him tell us why we didn't attack Sweden, for example. It is known that those who hate freedom do not have dignified souls, like those of the 19 blessed ones," he said, referring to the 19 hijackers.

"We fought you because we are free .. and want to regain freedom for our nation. As you undermine our security we undermine yours."

The image of bin Laden reading a statement was dramatically different from the few other videos of the al-Qaida leader that have emerged since the Sept. 11 attacks.

In the last videotape, issued Sept. 10, 2003, bin Laden is seen walking through rocky terrain with his top deputy Ayman al-Zawahri, both carrying automatic rifles. In a taped message issued at the same time, bin Laden praises the "great damage to the enemy" on Sept. 11 and mentions five hijackers by name.

In December 2001, the Pentagon released a videotape in which bin Laden is shown at a dinner with associates in Afghanistan on Nov. 9, 2001, saying the destruction of the Sept. 11 attacks exceeded even his "optimistic" calculations.

But in none of his previous messages, audio or video, did bin Laden directly state that he ordered the attacks.

The last audiotape purportedly from bin Laden came in April. The speaker on the tape, which CIA analysts said likely was the al-Qaida leader, offered a truce to European nations if they pull troops out of Muslim countries. The tape referred to the March 22 assassination by Israel of Hamas founder Sheik Ahmed Yassin.

Al-Zawahri, bin Laden's Egyptian deputy, has spoken on three recent audiotapes that emerged on June 11, Sept. 9 and Oct. 1 this year. In the latest, he called on young Muslims to strike the United States and its allies.

[montyburnz]

Does Osama listen to David Cross?

Compare:
Bin Laden
"If Bush says we hate freedom, let him tell us why we didn't attack Sweden, for example. It is known that those who hate freedom do not have dignified souls, like those of the 19 blessed ones," he said, referring to the 19 hijackers.

Cross:
"Seriously, if the terrorists hated freedom, then the Netherlands would be fucking dust!"

[Decadent1]

Isn't it sad that it takes a guy like Osama to make such a cogent argument against "they hate us for our freedom!"

[kogepan66]

man oh man. Interesting indeed...he actually makes sense and isn't just issuing vague threats. But the bottom line is that Bush's policies are much more dangerous that the ones I think the Kerry administration would endorse.

It is really strange that this is the guy speaking some truth right now.

Wonder if anyone will listen?

[akuma]

nothing like a lil jihad for the halloween wkd

YEEEEEEE-HAAAAAAAAAW!

i don't think it's strange or sad at all.

[ocd]

I heard that he referred sarcastically to Bush staying in the classroom for so long.

[kogepan66]

Good point, atomic. You are right.

thanks, i'm just saying,

bush sounds like a fucking idiot

everytime he opens his mouth.

bush is always either dumbing everything down

or just flat out lying

the things he says don't make sense

of course, we all know this already

[charlos3000]

i ain't sayin shit because i don't need to be on any more watch lists.

[Decadent1]

Originally posted by Decadent1
Kerry / Edwards 2008
Four more years?

The reason I say this is because Bush is the one who's going to benefit from all this. Undecideds will be saying, "Oh well, time to unify behind the prezodent."

[charlos3000]

Originally posted by Decadent1


The reason I say this is because Bush is the one who's going to benefit from all this. Undecideds will be saying, "Oh well, time to unify behind the prezodent."

yeah i'm scurred of that,

but what happens when LA

blows up?

do we start massacre'ing all brown people?

or start listening to why all of this shit is happening?

[fmstlr]

I saw Osama wearing a I VOTED button today.

[fmstlr]

too bad Osama's new tape is overshadowing all coverage of the missing explosive. I was so excited to day when they found the ABC news video of US soldiers finding that shit 8 days after the invasion. The Kerry campaign should not drop the ball on the missing explosive story. They should use it in tandem with the Osama tape... stab and twist.

[montyburnz]

Originally posted by Decadent1

quote:Originally posted by Decadent1
Kerry / Edwards 2008
Four more years?

The reason I say this is because Bush is the one who's going to benefit from all this. Undecideds will be saying, "Oh well, time to unify behind the prezodent."


You're right. According to columnist David Brooks, undecideds just go about their lives and they don't pay close attention to the day-to-day election brawl.
Bin Laden is a powerful reminder and fear is more powerful than logic.

October. Surprise!!!

[unhip]

are these tapes available to the public. i am that cynical.


some of the others don't even look like him.

[liquid mass]

Osama Bin Laden "Retires" From Terrorism
Wednesday, November 3rd, 2004

Osama bin Laden delivers a videotaped message broadcast on Arabic-language network Al-Jazeera.




(CNN) --
Video clip of Osama Bin Laden was posted on the FBI's Web site, Homeland Security Secretary Tom Ridge said Wednesday.

ABC News broadcast the video Wednesday.

On the tape, Osama Bin Laden declared that his war against the infidels was over. He cited the recent re-election of President Bush as a deciding factor.

"I cannot possibly do more damage to America than the infidels themselves have done." Osama Bin laden reportedly said.

[captain beeheart]

I am reading Carmen Bin Ladin's 'Inside The Veiled Kingdom'. She was married to Osama's brother Yeslam. It's a BRILLIANT book.

[randall fairbrook]

barga barga islam barga


*jihad jihad dick

[filipEMO]

derpa derpa jerpa chirp chirpa derp

[Foehammer]

Man I loved that band
AMONG THE LIVIIIING!!!!

[stinky]

Follow me or die!

efilgnikcufecin

[Iago]

Wafah Dufour aka Wafah bin Laden

http://www.smh.com.au/ffximage/2005/12/23/osamaniece_narrowweb__300x387,0.jpg

[slackerbot]

haha.. i was gonna post that. here's an excerpt from her GQ magazine interview..

http://men.style.com/gq/features/landing?id=content_4071

On a hot August afternoon, aspiring pop star Wafah Dufour walks into the media lunch hub Michael’s, in Midtown Manhattan. Accompanied by her publicist, Richard Valvo, the slender, exotic young woman with long dark hair in a high ponytail à la I Dream of Jeannie is dressed in a white tank top, green love beads, lacy miniskirt, and backless pumps. Conversations continue as heads look up to check her out.

Ms. Dufour passes by Anna Wintour, the editor-in-chief of Vogue, who is lunching with designer Isaac Mizrahi, then stops at the next table to meet former Sony Music chairman Tommy Mottola and NBC head Jeff Zucker.

“You know Wafah bin Ladin?” Valvo asks the men loudly.

“Wafah Dufour,” she snaps, shooting him a look that’s more pleading than hostile.

The niece of the man who orchestrated the destruction of the World Trade Center seventy-eight blocks to the south has a point. After September 11, the name bin Laden (which is how it’s spelled when referring to Osama) turned radioactive, borderline satanic-by-association. It made her feel cursed, presumed guilty—made her wonder if it might keep her from ever getting a record deal. So she took her mother’s maiden name, Dufour, which makes for a better first impression, even though the bin Laden taint is always there.

Ms. Dufour, who’s vague about her age but almost certainly younger than 30, sits down at a good corner table and thanks me for helping her tell her story. “It’s really important for me,” she says with a French accent. “I was born in the States, and I want people to know I’m American, and I want people here to understand that I’m like anyone in New York. For me, it’s home.

“It’s really tough that I have to always explain myself,” she continues in a soft, husky voice. “It’s like every time I meet someone, I have to move a huge mountain that’s in front of me, and sometimes I get tired.”

The face is alluring (big dark eyes, long lashes, plump lips, caramel skin), but she looks wounded. And there’s something else. At first I can’t quite figure it out, but then it hits me: She looks a little like her uncle, albeit a waify ninety-eight-pound tiny-footed version. Sexy Osama! I hold that thought while I listen to her explain that she’s his half niece and one of hundreds of bin Ladens, most of whom are in Saudi Arabia, where she hasn’t been since she was 10. She has no contact with most of her relatives, including her father, doesn’t speak Arabic, has an American passport… The list goes on. “At the end of the day, I believe that the American people understand things and they have compassion and they see what’s fair,” she says. “They’re very fair, and that’s why I love America, and that’s why my mom loves America.”

http://abcnews.go.com/images/2020/abc_2020_waffa_050602_t.jpg

[will]

Originally posted by Iago
Wafah Dufour aka Wafah bin Laden

http://www.smh.com.au/ffximage/2005/12/23/osamaniece_narrowweb__300x387,0.jpg

oh my gosh... :heart:

[35ft6]

^ No doubt. My penis is issuing a jihad against her vagina as I type.

[ocd]

Originally posted by 35ft6
^ No doubt. My penis is issuing a jihad against her vagina as I type. The plane has crashed into the tower! Wait, those are both phallic symbols. I think I just turned you gay.

[35ft6]

Originally posted by ocd
The plane has crashed into the tower! Wait, those are both phallic symbols. I think I just turned you gay. I'm going to send a missile into her wet cave. Uh. That's bad.

Drop some bombs onto her pussy and destroy her infrastructure? Is that sexier?

Suck on her mountains while I send an exploratory team consisting of fingers into her lush valley? This is tough. Too much pressure.

[ocd]

This is never going to work. I doubt you even have an exit strategy.

[35ft6]

^ My cock will stay there until the job is done. I don't care what the polls say.

[ocd]

How many? How many of your troops must be sent to their doom?

[35ft6]

^ Until she's pregnant with my freedom, and gives birth to democracy. But if she doesn't make her oil reserves a joint account, I'll switch her democracy baby with a baby that will do my bidding. Holy fuck this is a terrible metaphor...

[ocd]

Yeah, I'm going home now. I think I'm going to be sick.

[35ft6]

^ If you're feeling queasy, pick up a McRib on the way home. That shit will set your stomach straight.

[Shaftoe]

Originally posted by 35ft6
I'm going to send a missile into her wet cave. Uh. That's bad.

Drop some bombs onto her pussy and destroy her infrastructure? Is that sexier?

Suck on her mountains while I send an exploratory team consisting of fingers into her lush valley? This is tough. Too much pressure.

Deploy your bunker buster into her tora bora?

[slackerbot]

shock and awe!

[Shaftoe]

Improvised Ejaculation Device?

[Shaftoe]

Maybe you can get her into a hummer?

http://www.ginklai.net/images/galerija/2362_hummer_h1.jpg

[35ft6]

Originally posted by Shaftoe


Deploy your bunker buster into her tora bora? The most obvious one: unleash my weapon of ass destruction.

[35ft6]

Originally posted by Shaftoe
Maybe you can get her into a hummer? She's rich. She can give me a hummer. So weaksauce.

[kyberPaavi]

Originally posted by slackerbot http://abcnews.go.com/images/2020/abc_2020_waffa_050602_t.jpg [/B]

she looks a bit like denise richards ?

[Shaftoe]

In that pic she looks eerily like one of the marionettes from Team America.

[Shaftoe]

Originally posted by 35ft6
The most obvious one: unleash my weapon of ass destruction.

Yeah. That's already a porn title though :-(

[35ft6]

^ My friend got it for a birthday present, that movie.

[ocd]

Originally posted by 35ft6
^ My friend got it for a birthday present, that movie. It's good that you clarified that he didn't get your weapon of ass destruction for his birthday.

[35ft6]

^ His ass is made of admantium. It's nearly indestructible.

[ocd]

Originally posted by 35ft6
^ His ass is made of admantium. It's nearly indestructible. *snikt*

[Denstradamus]

She's pretty. *Crush*