Tiger Mac OSX

[mpyre]

I'm really digging Tiger after getting a free copy from work.

--Love the widgets feature. I want to learn how to make my own. Heck, GR should make one for their cam or do an RSS feed of interesting stuff. It boggles the mind what others will come out with. My favorite ones are the weather ones like the radar widget.

--Spotlight is pretty gnarly for searching out stuff. Now I think I'll start a user to hide my private stuff. Very trippy being able to search out documents and saved e-mail.

--My FAVORITE useless feature: the iTunes art screensaver. I spent 2-3 years scanning in and hunting down album art for ALL of my mp3 files. The new screensaver fills up your screen with album art from your iTunes library and continually flips them with more artwork. Kinda embarrassing on some levels: I showed my friends this screensaver and an 'NSync cover popped.

I've had no problems yet, my G5 iMac seems snappier and the installation DVD is very easy to "backup"/copy using Toast.

Now where is that damned Powerbook G5 that I've been waiting for....

[00447447]

will it run well on a g4 ibook?

I'm getting a powerbook next week, but i want to load tiger on my wifes ibook.

[slackerbot]

are all the OSX discs on DVD?

[mpyre]

Originally posted by slackerbot
are all the OSX discs on DVD?

The one my work received was on DVD. Since it's corporate, it came in a plain envelope. I don't know if the retail version has CDs as an option.

I usually don't trust data on DVDs, but the installer VERIFIES the entire DVD before doing the installation.

I'm sure Tiger can be loaded on a G4 since the mini and powerbooks use the G4 chip and I don't think Apple would leave them out of the Tiger loop.

I hope to play with Font Book in the next few days...I hope to once and for all trash Suitcase if Font Book does the job.

[tangent23]

it comes standard on DVD but youy can order it on CDs for the price of shipping and media apparently..

there's a really good technical review here:
http://arstechnica.com/reviews/os/macosx-10.4.ars

it's very in depth though..

[tangent23]

i'm up to the section on dashboard in the abovementioned article, and in the pic of the widgets about 2/3 way down the page there are the words 'giant robot' in the translation widget with the japanes translation! :D

http://media.arstechnica.com/images/tiger/dashboard-big.jpg

[35ft6]

that's a hot looking desktop.

[Amuse_Me]

oh man!! i want my desktop to look like that! crazy. i might have to buy this shit.

[tangent23]

that's the dashboard layer where the widgets live, apparently it works like expose..

[t3h1337p3nguin]

Ooohhh, widgets...I remember reading up on them a while back, but I haven't persued it. Wow, Tiger's looking better all the time.

Launchd...

the other tiger thread (http://www.giantrobot.com/forums/showthread.php3?s=&threadid=32713&highlight=my+momma)

:(

[jinzoningen]

Does Tiger have built in encryption like the old Classic OS? I liked that feature in Classic where you could encrypt individual files with a password.

[BAOH]

bloat.

[mpyre]

Originally posted by atomiclotusbox
the other tiger thread (http://www.giantrobot.com/forums/showthread.php3?s=&threadid=32713&highlight=my+momma)

:(

Don't be sad...you should at least put the topic of your thread in the title somewhere. I did a search by title before starting this one.

:D

[mpyre]

I can watch the iTunes Album screensaver all day.

I spent nearly 2 years getting album art for all my files and the screensaver nicely pays off for all the work.

Now I have to redo all the album art since Apple upgraded their iTunes Music files to 500 by 500 Album art.

Time to dig up my CDs in storage and fire up the scanner again....

[jinzoningen]

Originally posted by mpyre
I can watch the iTunes Album screensaver all day.

I spent nearly 2 years getting album art for all my files and the screensaver nicely pays off for all the work.

Now I have to redo all the album art since Apple upgraded their iTunes Music files to 500 by 500 Album art.

Time to dig up my CDs in storage and fire up the scanner again....

Holy crap you have a lot of time on your hands.

[mpyre]

Originally posted by jinzoningen


Holy crap you have a lot of time on your hands.

"...had" a lot of time on my hands.

I did all the album art stuff when I was freelancing. I still freelance AND work fulltime.

Originally posted by jinzoningen
Does Tiger have built in encryption like the old Classic OS? I liked that feature in Classic where you could encrypt individual files with a password.

do a get info on any file/folder/drive and you can set access privileges.

[Margin Walker]

Originally posted by tangent23
http://media.arstechnica.com/images/tiger/dashboard-big.jpg
^ Finally! I've always dreamed that some day a program would come along and replace such expensive items as post-it notes, calculators, phone books, calendars, dictionaries & newspapers! Huzzah!! :rolleyes:

[akuma]

yay! more shit you dont need!!

[(>_<)]

man, this thread went from 0 to Bastardry in less than 2 full pages. 'grats.

[BAOH]

why is it that most people that use X are either:
gay or drive (new) VW bugs.

(not hating....just wondering)

[ocd]

Wha? Where the fuck do you live?

[akuma]

Originally posted by (&gt;_&lt;)
man, this thread went from 0 to Bastardry in less than 2 full pages. 'grats.

hey if you're impressed by slick dialogue boxes or rotating screens which tickle your taint, thats cool. feel free to join the minions who mark their lifeline by the latest OS they acquire or if the U2 limited edition ipod is in stock.

apple has gotten out of control.

[BAOH]

Originally posted by ocd
Wha? Where the fuck do you live?


the mean streets of southern california!!

represent!!

[jinzoningen]

Originally posted by akuma

apple has gotten out of control.

I would say that's true, but most people are usually impressed by "all flash, no substance". Especially American consumers.

Apple gets by with smart marketing. Kudos to them.

[akuma]

http://www.picaroni.com/iDildo.jpg


kudos

there is a lot more to osx than dialog boxes and rotating windows.

dig deeper.

Originally posted by BAOH
why is it that most people that use X are either:
gay or drive (new) VW bugs.

(not hating....just wondering)

i've heard this comparison before.

do you like nascar?

[jinzoningen]

Originally posted by atomiclotusbox
there is a lot more to osx than dialog boxes and rotating windows.


Like what? May I ask.

Is there that much of a difference to merit the $129 purchase price? Is this a legit upgrade or just an 'add on' pack?

"What's next? We're going to find new ways of attaching automatic metadata. Here's one we've been talking about a lot: Your laptop has a GPS receiver in it. Tiny thing, about the size of a pencil eraser. At all times, your laptop knows where it is on the face of the Earth, accurate to about thirty feet.

Every file you create is tagged with three new, additional pieces of metadata: latitude, longitude and altitude. That's on top of the date and time data we already attach to every file.

Say you go on a business trip to Seattle. A year later, you can search your laptop for that e-mail you sent to your coworker Tom while you were in Seattle."

http://www.apple.com/macosx/features/unix/

http://abcnews.go.com/Technology/ZDM/story?id=725177

[akuma]

http://www.unm.edu/~casa/Apple.2/GS.OS.6.0.1.jpg


::siiiiiigh::

[BAOH]

Originally posted by atomiclotusbox


i've heard this comparison before.

do you like nascar?

hahah....nah...

it's just, my computers come in 2 colors: black and beige (that change color to an ugly creme, when you need to get a new system)

the (bsd) core of X is dope! the HW (ergonomics) is top shelf.....but lets not kid ourselves here....X is basically a sudo'd user env that sits ontop of BSD, and for the most part it's all bells and whistles.....aka bloat.

[jinzoningen]

Originally posted by akuma
http://www.unm.edu/~casa/Apple.2/GS.OS.6.0.1.jpg


::siiiiiigh::

I miss those days too, me and my little IIci. Back then Apple had a certain cult charm to it. Now it's more like a real corporation that makes real profits.

[BAOH]

ahhh...who can forget the days of:

10 print "fuck all y'all!!"
20 goto 10
30 end



classic

Originally posted by BAOH
but lets not kid ourselves here....X is basically a sudo'd user env that sits ontop of BSD, and for the most part it's all bells and whistles.....aka bloat.

most people call that a user interface

unless they are one of the few

that understand coding and terminals and all that

and hopefully that knowledge let's them make enough money

to buy a computer that suits them

and grants them the time to write their own operating system

[Aser]

Originally posted by atomiclotusbox


most people call that a user interface

unless they are one of the few

that understand coding and terminals and all that

and hopefully that knowledge let's them make enough money

to buy a computer that suits them

and grants them the time to write their own operating system

real talk!

[BAOH]

Originally posted by atomiclotusbox


most people call that a user interface

unless they are one of the few

that understand coding and terminals and all that

and hopefully that knowledge let's them make enough money

to buy a computer that suits them

and grants them the time to write their own operating system

agreed.

but the people who elect to go the other route should be aware that just because they have the latest and greatest os/software, doesn't mean they're safer than the next person. quite contrary, they're open to unseen/undiscovered malware and vulnerabilities.

this is part of the reason why rollout take long..
(ie MS SP2 rollouts on the enterprise level)

and then the endless stream of security updates...

[tangent23]

Originally posted by akuma


hey if you're impressed by slick dialogue boxes or rotating screens which tickle your taint, thats cool. feel free to join the minions who mark their lifeline by the latest OS they acquire or if the U2 limited edition ipod is in stock.

apple has gotten out of control.

Originally posted by jinzoningen


Like what? May I ask.

Is there that much of a difference to merit the $129 purchase price? Is this a legit upgrade or just an 'add on' pack?

read the article i posted.. [i know it's long, but if you're going to make valid criticisms, it works better if you know what's actually there rather than rehashing old arguments] ;)

http://arstechnica.com/reviews/os/macosx-10.4.ars

Conclusion

Tiger is the best version of Mac OS X yet. It offers substantial improvements over Panther in all important areas. The performance improvements are immediately noticeable. Every major bundled application has been improved. There's an unprecedented number of substantial, totally new features and technologies: Spotlight, Core Image and Video, Quartz 2D Extreme, Dashboard, and Automator, just to name a few.

This is all on top of the most significant revision to the core operating system in the history of Mac OS X. Fine-grained locking in the kernel prepares Tiger for future Macs with multi-core CPUs. A stable, abstracted, forward-compatible system for kernel extensions frees Apple to make more kernel changes in the future without worrying about breaking existing kernel extensions. And as usual, nearly every bundled Unix program has been updated.

For the first time in the history of Mac OS X, Apple has made progress in the realm of file metadata. While Spotlight plays it safe with external index files tracking information gleaned from existing file system metadata and file contents, Tiger's extended attribute APIs lay the groundwork for a much more interesting future. Uniform Type Identifiers add another missing piece to the metadata puzzle. If Apple can fully realize the potential of these budding, and still disparate systems, Mac OS X may finally catch and surpass the previous file metadata technology leader: the venerable BeOS. My fingers are crossed.

If you're still running Jaguar or earlier, you really owe it to yourself to upgrade to Tiger. It'll be the best $129 you've ever spent on an operating system. If you're happy with Panther, I strongly recommend going to an Apple store and checking out Tiger in person. Chances are good that there'll be at least one or two features that you'll decide you need, if not right way, then soon. As with any new release, it won't hurt to wait for version 10.4.1 or later.

[premium]

people hate a winner

[akuma]

nah uh, i was totally behind kerry

$79 at microcenter

don't buy from apple

those bastards

[t3h1337p3nguin]

http://www.apple.com/support/downloads/bonjourforwindows_readme.html
Wheeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee!
Finally.

[BAOH]

so what's the verdict?

is it all that and dim sum? or would the naive american mac users trade the island of manhanttan for it (bells, whistles, shiny things)?

[mpyre]

Originally posted by BAOH
so what's the verdict?

is it all that and dim sum? or would the naive american mac users trade the island of manhanttan for it (bells, whistles, shiny things)?

After a week with Tiger AND Adobe CS2:

--Love the Translator widget. Pretty awesome being able to type out entire sentences and getting them translated to Japanese AND being able to paste the Kanji into Illustrator. Now I can also play with Russian and Korean type. Thank god I bought good Kanji fonts in the 90s.

--Spotlight wows people every time. It even searches out songs by album. I like to save a text document with a certain word in it and have spotlight find the document by searching for the one word.

--The only program that I use that won't work is Roxio Popcorn--I don't mind since I've started using a different App for copying DVDs.

if you're going to send off for the cd-based install,

be prepared to send your install dvd in trade.

[BAOH]

Dashboard Leaves Macs Vulnerable
By Daniel Terdiman

Story location: http://www.wired.com/news/mac/0,2125,67484,00.html

02:00 AM May. 11, 2005 PT

A security hole in Dashboard could expose users of Apple Computer's new Tiger operating system to attack, and may put personal information like passwords and credit card data at risk.

A new feature of Mac OS X Tiger, Dashboard is a suite of simple programs called widgets that often access information on the internet. Tiger comes preloaded with 14 widgets, including a world clock, a dictionary and a weather station.

For the convenience of users, most widgets automatically install themselves. But experts fear any program that auto-installs is ripe for exploitation.

Dashboard allows any user with basic skills in HTML or JavaScript to build their own widgets. Apple's Dashboard widgets page, as well as third-party sites like Dashboard Widgets, maintain constantly updated databases, but it's not clear if the sites vet their offerings.

Further, there is no immediate way to delete a widget that has been installed. According to Tiger's own Help file, "You cannot remove widgets from the Widget Bar or change their order."

A growing number of Mac experts are sounding the alarm over the dangers of widgets -- which can carry Unix commands that could be run invisibly from within a widget.

"It's really just wrong and stupid of (Apple) to not give a regular user a way to take widgets out of Dashboard," said Stephan Meyers, an unemployed artist and developer who was one of the first to publicize the hole. "It just flat-out says you cannot remove a widget from Dashboard. That's just dumb."

Meyers felt so strongly that Apple erred by not giving Tiger users a way to delete widgets directly from Dashboard that he created two of the downloadable tools designed to demonstrate the vulnerability.

His Zaptastic widget (warning: following the link in Safari automatically downloads Zaptastic.wdgt) is benign, but when run, it loads a Safari browser and takes the user to a web page promoting the forthcoming launch of a new online payment system.

But on his website, Meyers argues that widgets can carry a dangerous payload. His Zaptastic Evil is a widget that, when run, forces a user's computer to open a Safari browser pointing at the online payment site every time Dashboard is booted.

Still, Meyers said he's not too concerned about what havoc widgets could wreak, and he said the problem is nothing new for downloadable software.

"You can't ... prevent bad programs from running on a computer," Meyers said. "You have to strike this balance between usability and security, and that's always the case. It's like human immune systems: You'd never get sick if you didn't take in air and food."

Widgets can be removed manually by deleting them from a user's /Library/Widgets/ folder. But that's something many novice Tiger owners may not know how to do.

"It does pose a certain security risk, because (widgets) can do all sorts of things web pages can't because they're loaded into the system all the time," said Dan Pourhadi, an administrator at Dashboard Widgets. "It's possible, if the developer knows what they're doing, and a user downloads widgets from places that don't check them."

J. Nicholas Tolson, a Mac fan who is building his own widgets, said auto-installation is the most dangerous feature of the simple programs.

"(Apple needs) to disable the auto-install feature of widgets," he said. "There should be some user interaction when installing things, either via an actual installer or via drag-and-drop installers that are popular on Macs."

Mark Charbonneau, who runs Downtown Software House, which developed a free application called Widget Manager that automates the process of manipulating widgets, agreed.

"I ... think that's something that may not have been the best move on their part," said Charbonneau. "I wouldn't be surprised if that's something that (Apple changes) in the future."

Apple did not return several requests for comment.

"Even though widgets can't access system files," said Charbonneau, "they can access personal files and things like that.... It can access basically anything in the Documents folder or the user's home folder."

And some say that includes personal passwords or even credit card numbers, all of which could be affected without a user even knowing it.

Of course, some feel the situation is a strong case of buyer beware and that Apple shouldn't necessarily be taken to task for inattentive users.

"If the user doesn't take a stand to protect themselves," said Dashboard Widgets' Pourhadi, "he is vulnerable to this kind of stuff."

Still, Mac fans want Apple to recognize that widgets pose potential problems, and for more than just users' safety.

"I hope they see the danger, if only for their marketing," said Tolson. "All it will take is one seriously nasty widget to completely wreck (Apple's) image of 'no viruses' or 'Macs are inherently more secure' message. And you better believe that would become news."




phear the pwnage.....

Originally posted by atomiclotusbox
and then the endless stream of security updates...

[tangent23]

installed it on the mini yesterday.. bit of a scare when it wouldn't boot up first time.. but it sorted itself out..

i like it so far..

i'm hanging to install it on the powerbook so i can search through all my old files , but i don't think my 256 ram is going to cut it..

nope, probably not

[tangent23]

hey my translation widget has gone kaput, anybody else have this problem? seems there's a few people with the same prob but no answers yet... :(

[m1]

i think a 10.4.2 update is just around the corner. i've been having a few issues myself w/ airport randomly losing signal and not being able to reconnect or even turn on again, after waking from sleep -- have to reboot. i think widgets might have something to do with various issues somehow... dunno.

cs2 is pretty slow at start up, and bridge randomly crashes, so i don't think i'll use it until some sort of legit update [either from adobe or apple]. anyone else w/ cs2 issues?



m1

[mpyre]

Originally posted by m1
i think a 10.4.2 update is just around the corner...anyone else w/ cs2 issues?



m1

No problems...yet.

My issue is that I've been killing my G5 by downloading movies, burning DVDs, ripping DVDs, and ripping mp4s all at the same time (while working in CS2).

Originally posted by m1
i think a 10.4.2 update is just around the corner. i've been having a few issues myself w/ airport randomly losing signal and not being able to reconnect or even turn on again, after waking from sleep -- have to reboot. i think widgets might have something to do with various issues somehow... dunno.

cs2 is pretty slow at start up, and bridge randomly crashes, so i don't think i'll use it until some sort of legit update [either from adobe or apple]. anyone else w/ cs2 issues?



m1

what mac are you running it on?

we're running panther on a lime imac and it never wants to wake up after falling asleep.

i lose my net connection all the time, too, for some reason.

on both of my machines at home, that is.

what is bridge?

[Robocon^^]

Originally posted by atomiclotusbox

what is bridge?

Just watched an Adobe CS demo at Apple Soho the other day.

Basically it's an image file browser that helps you to customize and better manage your workflow. I thought it looked pretty neat, but it had a lot of tabs and menu options, so it was a little confusing to understand.

[m1]

yeah, bridge is essentially replacing photoshop's 'file browser', adn extending into overall cs file management. i'm not all too familiar with it's workings yet, just tooling around a bit here and there.

i'm running tiger 10.4.1 on an AL PB 15" 1.gHz, 1gb RAM. occsionally locks up on boot and have to 'hard reset' w/ the power button. wack. i'll probably just reformat and wipe it to zero's in a couple of days for peace of mind [ocd].


m1

[mpyre]

First major Tiger update came out tonight (10.4.2).

My coworkers have been whining about Tiger for awhile.

They're kind of lame with computers.

I've had no major issues since adopting it.

[m1]

10.4.2 blows.

i reformatted my pb -- wiped out from zeros and reinstalled 10.4. everything works great now... again.



m1

wiped out from zeroes

hahahahaha

was that necessary?

[m1]

Originally posted by atomiclotusbox
wiped out from zeroes

hahahahaha

was that necessary?


i think so. my experience in the past w/ reformatting and reinstalling os'es has been that whenever i don't zero out all data, there tends to be lingering shit somewhere that creeps up somehow and causes a conflict or unexplainable quirks. maybe not directly in the os function, but in a third party app. i.e. photoshop or illustrator.

neeways, makes me feel better about the process :D




m1

it just that it takes so damn long

but yeah, it's the safe and sure way