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Shaftoe
08-27-2005, 10:34 PM
It sucks. Whole city below sea level. Lake Ponchartrain in the back, the ocean in the front, the Mississippi River on the side... if there's a direct hit, which it's really looking like, the place is fucked. Talk about the anti-Mardi-Gras. I've watched documentaries highlighting the possibility, and here it comes. I'm not a religious fellow, but I pray for the city nonetheless.

edit: It's cat. 4 now, Monday landfall. And for the first time in N'Awlins history, a mandatory evacuation has just been ordered.

Malosi
08-27-2005, 10:45 PM
too bad it wouldn't happen during mardi gras.

Shaftoe
08-27-2005, 10:49 PM
Assuming you're joking, or you've elevated cynicism to an art form. An entire city is about to get shafted in the worst way, and we're all going to watch it bear down on them at 7-10 mph. It's not very funny.

Jook Sing Vegas
08-28-2005, 10:03 AM
A Cat. 5+ storm, Nawlins is done, not to mention the south on monday. Get the f**K out now ya tards.

Shaftoe
08-28-2005, 10:38 AM
If anybody wants to read a more thorough description of the problem than you're hearing in the news:

Why a major hurricane spells permanent death for New Orleans (http://americanradioworks.publicradio.org/features/wetlands/hurricane1.html)

Shaftoe
08-28-2005, 10:42 AM
Posted by the National weather service this morning: they have officially crapped their pants:

http://weather.noaa.gov/cgi-bin/iwszone?Sites=:laz062

URGENT - WEATHER MESSAGE
NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE NEW ORLEANS LA
1011 AM CDT SUN AUG 28 2005


DEVASTATING DAMAGE EXPECTED

HURRICANE KATRINA
A MOST POWERFUL HURRICANE WITH UNPRECEDENTED
STRENGTH...RIVALING THE INTENSITY OF HURRICANE CAMILLE OF 1969.

MOST OF THE AREA WILL BE UNINHABITABLE FOR WEEKS...PERHAPS LONGER. AT
LEAST ONE HALF OF WELL CONSTRUCTED HOMES WILL HAVE ROOF AND WALL
FAILURE. ALL GABLED ROOFS WILL FAIL...LEAVING THOSE HOMES SEVERELY
DAMAGED OR DESTROYED.

THE MAJORITY OF INDUSTRIAL BUILDINGS WILL BECOME NON FUNCTIONAL.
PARTIAL TO COMPLETE WALL AND ROOF FAILURE IS EXPECTED. ALL WOOD
FRAMED LOW RISING APARTMENT BUILDINGS WILL BE DESTROYED. CONCRETE
BLOCK LOW RISE APARTMENTS WILL SUSTAIN MAJOR DAMAGE...INCLUDING SOME
WALL AND ROOF FAILURE.

HIGH RISE OFFICE AND APARTMENT BUILDINGS WILL SWAY DANGEROUSLY...A
FEW TO THE POINT OF TOTAL COLLAPSE. ALL WINDOWS WILL BLOW OUT.

AIRBORNE DEBRIS WILL BE WIDESPREAD...AND MAY INCLUDE HEAVY ITEMS SUCH
AS HOUSEHOLD APPLIANCES AND EVEN LIGHT VEHICLES. SPORT UTILITY
VEHICLES AND LIGHT TRUCKS WILL BE MOVED. THE BLOWN DEBRIS WILL CREATE
ADDITIONAL DESTRUCTION. PERSONS...PETS...AND LIVESTOCK EXPOSED TO THE
WINDS WILL FACE CERTAIN DEATH IF STRUCK.

POWER OUTAGES WILL LAST FOR WEEKS...AS MOST POWER POLES WILL BE DOWN
AND TRANSFORMERS DESTROYED. WATER SHORTAGES WILL MAKE HUMAN SUFFERING
INCREDIBLE BY MODERN STANDARDS.

THE VAST MAJORITY OF NATIVE TREES WILL BE SNAPPED OR UPROOTED. ONLY
THE HEARTIEST WILL REMAIN STANDING...BUT BE TOTALLY DEFOLIATED. FEW
CROPS WILL REMAIN. LIVESTOCK LEFT EXPOSED TO THE WINDS WILL BE
KILLED.

AN INLAND HURRICANE WIND WARNING IS ISSUED WHEN SUSTAINED WINDS NEAR
HURRICANE FORCE...OR FREQUENT GUSTS AT OR ABOVE HURRICANE FORCE...ARE
CERTAIN WITHIN THE NEXT 12 TO 24 HOURS.

ONCE TROPICAL STORM AND HURRICANE FORCE WINDS ONSET...DO NOT VENTURE
OUTSIDE!

LAZ038-040-050-056>070-282100-
ASSUMPTION-LIVINGSTON-LOWER JEFFERSON-LOWER LAFOURCHE-
LOWER PLAQUEMINES-LOWER ST. BERNARD-LOWER TERREBONNE-ORLEANS-
ST. CHARLES-ST. JAMES-ST. JOHN THE BAPTIST-ST. TAMMANY-TANGIPAHOA-
UPPER JEFFERSON-UPPER LAFOURCHE-UPPER PLAQUEMINES-UPPER ST. BERNARD-
UPPER TERREBONNE-
1011 AM CDT SUN AUG 28 2005


INLAND HURRICANE WIND WARNING IN EFFECT

HURRICANE KATRINA
A MOST POWERFUL HURRICANE WITH UNPRECEDENTED
STRENGTH...RIVALING THE INTENSITY OF HURRICANE CAMILLE OF 1969.

ONSET OF TROPICAL STORM FORCE WINDS WILL BE AROUND 3 PM THIS
AFTERNOON AND PERSIST FOR ABOUT 26 HOURS. HURRICANE FORCE WINDS WILL
ONSET AROUND SUNSET TONIGHT IN LOWER PLAQUEMINES PARISH AND SPREAD
NORTHWARD BY 3 AM MONDAY MORNING...PERSISTING FOR ABOUT 12 TO 17
HOURS. MAXIMUM SUSTAINED WINDS IN EXCESS OF 140 MPH CAN LAST FOR 2
TO 3 HOURS.

ONCE TROPICAL STORM AND HURRICANE FORCE WINDS ONSET...DO NOT VENTURE
OUTSIDE!

'jim
08-28-2005, 10:45 AM
Now I wish I'd visited. :(

Shaftoe
08-28-2005, 10:57 AM
Make no mistake, if it hits anywhere near its current path/strength, we are all looking at the worst natural disaster in American history.

a pretty high-res satellite photo of Miss Katrina from Sunday morning (http://www.nnvl.noaa.gov/hurseas2005/Katrina1545zD-050828-1kg12.jpg)

fmstlr
08-28-2005, 11:48 AM
I don't hear Jerry Falwell proclaiming God getting mad at Nawlins, yo... dey be fine

'jim
08-28-2005, 04:48 PM
Dude, God hates Nawlins, you know how much crawfish they eat?

(>_<)
08-28-2005, 04:52 PM
well, if the inverse correlation between hype and reality remains true, Katrina'll be probably on some Y2K type shit.

but people should stay safe, nonetheless.

*edit: just read about Katrina here (http://www.guardian.co.uk/worldlatest/story/0,1280,-5239772,00.html) and this is one fucked up quote;


"It's capable of causing catastrophic damage,'' Mayfield said. ``Even well-built structures will have tremendous damage. Of course, what we're really worried about is the loss of lives.''

As many as 100,000 inner-city residents didn't have the means to leave, and an untold number of tourists were stranded by the closing of the airport. The city arranged buses to take people to 10 last-resort shelters, including the Superdome.

jinzoningen
08-28-2005, 05:03 PM
It'll be an economic disaster as well-- gas prices will spike nationwide as a result of this.

FDM
08-28-2005, 05:38 PM
god hates nola cos nola be a buncha fagz yo. werd lyfe.

*funny hand gesture*

Shaftoe
08-28-2005, 06:40 PM
Originally posted by jinzoningen
It'll be an economic disaster as well-- gas prices will spike nationwide as a result of this.

Yeah, I been callin family and telling them to fill up today.

spookybuster
08-28-2005, 06:43 PM
http://www.politicalamazon.com/images/sanford--the--big--one%20copy.jpg

...but seriously this looks like the BIG ONE.

I haven't seen anything about this on TV really. Its like the eve of destruction which will do more damage than 10 9-11s and nobody gives a shit. Thats america I guess.

spookybuster
08-28-2005, 07:13 PM
http://www.wunderground.com/data/640x480/2xg1_ir_anim.gif

spookybuster
08-28-2005, 07:44 PM
http://willowpondlane.com/blather/images/dr_strange_cloud.jpg

fmstlr
08-28-2005, 08:03 PM
Nawlins is the Bangladesh of the US.

charlos3000
08-28-2005, 08:43 PM
jesus christ.
i hope kyoppo is clear of the city. i know he's from NO :\

crude hits 71.00 a barrel in weekend trading...

git your gas and sell your stocks. the end is nigh.

herrokitty
08-28-2005, 09:00 PM
I know this is way late. but I just woke up.
But fuck, if anybody is evacuating still (wtf get off the computah) or is left homeless afterwards....
I can put you up in a hotel somewhere in town (in houston) for a few days.
PM me
Do we have (m)any NO bots?

charlos3000
08-28-2005, 09:18 PM
just kyoppolife, afaik.

YelloKitty
08-28-2005, 09:29 PM
my bro's gf just flew back to new orleans a couple of days ago to be with her mom... man.

jinzoningen
08-28-2005, 10:38 PM
http://www.ssd.noaa.gov/PS/TROP/DATA/RT/gmex-ir4-loop.html

kamenriderv3
08-28-2005, 10:52 PM
cat 5! that's going to really mess things up. hopefully they all can get out before it hits.

golivar
08-28-2005, 11:05 PM
all the news reports i've been reading about katrina sound pretty frightening. up to a million people homeless in a city flooded with toxic and septic waste and coffins!? wow. this would pretty much be unprecedented in the US, i would imagine.

herrokitty
08-28-2005, 11:48 PM
downgraded to cat 4...

MassacreKing!
08-29-2005, 01:40 AM
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v292/splatandmatt/katrina.jpg

FDM
08-29-2005, 05:40 AM
Originally posted by golivar
all the news reports i've been reading about katrina sound pretty frightening. up to a million people homeless in a city flooded with toxic and septic waste and coffins!? wow. this would pretty much be unprecedented in the US, i would imagine.

might this be the american tsunami disaster? god's getting better with his aim, yo....

08-29-2005, 05:43 AM
i hope trent reznor is okay

SDP
08-29-2005, 05:50 AM
New Orleans Web Cams:

http://www.nola.com/bourbocam/

happy
08-29-2005, 06:09 AM
I wonder how many proles not directly killed by the hurricane will have their funerals paid for with tax money this time?

stinky
08-29-2005, 06:18 AM
Originally posted by matu
Daily Details for
New Orleans, LA

Heavy Rain / Wind

High
85¬įF

Precip
100%

Wind: NNE 93 mph


it's not funny but then again it is. i just finished reading an article in harper's about termites in new orleans. they gonna love all this moisture.

ahumanbean
08-29-2005, 07:07 AM
.
Well-dressed disaster announcer predicts Tabasco shortage as Katrina comes ashore:

http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y254/Tribute_Photos/21b01f28.jpg

Looks like Mobile, Alabama is getting the very worst.

stinky
08-29-2005, 09:11 AM
Originally posted by Su_dong_po
New Orleans Web Cams:

http://www.nola.com/bourbocam/

all the cams are out of service. and now the superdome has holes in the roof.

montyburnz
08-29-2005, 09:36 AM
CNN had a clip from their affiliate in Alabama or New Orleans. The reporter was taping in the middle of the Hurricane, of course. She couldn't stand up and was getting blown out the frame. The last 20 seconds is her curses getting bleeped out. The screen returns to her 2 t.v. anchors who are just staring at each other.

myleftlung
08-29-2005, 09:38 AM
Originally posted by atomiclotusbox
i hope trent reznor is okay

All that working out will now pay off as he holds on to a light pole.

BAOH
08-29-2005, 09:57 AM
i thought he had the ability to freeze time and teleport?!?!


if not, i'm pretty sure marilyn manson picked him up on his flying broom.

Shaftoe
08-29-2005, 10:56 AM
The last minute turn to the East and the weakening spared the Nola a worst-case scenario... which is cool. Shit still gonna be fukked up, but at least they have a city to come back to.

shampoo
08-29-2005, 11:44 AM
Originally posted by stinky
it's not funny but then again it is. i just finished reading an article in harper's about termites in new orleans. they gonna love all this moisture.

same here, about reading that article. im thinking the termite infestation is going to enable the buildings to fall apart THAT much more easily.

spookybuster
08-29-2005, 02:35 PM
God Help us All From this Punishment!
http://msnbcmedia.msn.com/j/msnbc/Components/Photos/040319/040319_tammy_faye_hmed_8a.hmedium.jpg

falcor
08-29-2005, 05:08 PM
"i TOLD you that bitch was crazy"

FDM
08-29-2005, 09:22 PM
http://img271.imageshack.us/img271/2595/zangeif0rk.gif

HK's Nosferatu
08-29-2005, 09:37 PM
Dang...that's some crazy ish yo!!

One nasty thing about Katrina... In Naw'lins they don't bury the deceased underground like most of us are accustomed too. The water table is too high...so the follow scenario ensues: Bury then in Spring, by winter, the water will push the casket above ground... a natural exhuming if you will. Instead, they build a small house to act as a crypt or tomb....often they will just be dirt mounds. So basically, the streets of New Orleans will be flooded with debrish, trees, oh and rotting corpses and caskets!

Gross I know...

stinky
08-30-2005, 06:35 AM
Originally posted by funkydrunknmonk
http://img271.imageshack.us/img271/2595/zangeif0rk.gif

beautiful.

ocd
08-30-2005, 09:14 AM
I heard a bunch of people got killed over in 'Bama. 55 or something? I've been webless all morning though, so I'm not caught up on the news.

Shaftoe
08-30-2005, 09:25 AM
Water's still rising, cause unknown, in several New Orleans neighborhoods.

spookybuster
08-30-2005, 10:57 AM
WHy is this NOT on the News?

Why do I have to learn about all this on the internet?

Why has the President not come on to talk about this?

Why is this not bigger news?



http://drudgereport.com/flood.jpg




All flippancy aside...WTF? This is BIG news!

Why is Ted Koppel the only dude on the major networks talking about this?

I haven't heard or seen a thing about any of this on the major networks(dont have CNN) except for 2 second on the weather report of the regular news "that Louisiana was hit hard by that there big ole hurricane" ????

spookybuster
08-30-2005, 11:06 AM
Looting Begins in New Orleans
Aug 30 12:47 PM US/Eastern


By ALLEN G. BREED
Associated Press Writer

NEW ORLEANS

With much of the city emptied by Hurricane Katrina, some opportunists took advantage of the situation by looting stores.

At a Walgreen's drug store in the French Quarter, people were running out with grocery baskets and coolers full of soft drinks, chips and diapers.

............

Hundreds feared dead in U.S. Hurricane Katrina
Aug 30 2:31 PM US/Eastern


By Matt Daily

BILOXI, Mississippi (Reuters) - Helicopters plucked frantic survivors from rooftops of inundated homes on Tuesday and officials said hundreds of people may have died in Hurricane Katrina's attack on the U.S. Gulf Coast, which sent a wall of water into Mississippi and flooded New Orleans

............

http://www.mycaribbeannews.com/images/katrina050830a.jpg http://www.diario.com.mx/imagesnotas/2005/08/NEW186504RO.jpg
http://www.movie-pix.com/War-of-the-Worlds-2005-Family.jpg

ocd
08-30-2005, 11:27 AM
Originally posted by spookybuster

Why has the President not come on to talk about this?
He ended his vacation, which he said earlier was not a vacation, to go... to... Washington? Why the fuck isn't he going to the site of the hurricane?

spookybuster
08-30-2005, 11:36 AM
Because he's a pussy.

ocd
08-30-2005, 11:38 AM
Man, even being a red state isn't enough for him to give a fuck. Bicycle, bicycle, he wants to ride his bicycle.

ocd
08-30-2005, 11:50 AM
CNN Weatherman (http://www.caffeine-powered.net/ben/CNN_daybreak.wmv)

happy
08-30-2005, 11:58 AM
I'm glad George is staying away from New Orleans. A natural disaster aftermath is nothing more than a photo-op, a place where politicians can "unite," shake some soiled hands, grimly survey damaged infrastructure, and then throw tax money at uninsured morons.

Shaftoe
08-30-2005, 12:32 PM
There are now reports of flooding in the French Quarter.

And, Su_Dong_Po mentioned it for the webcams (which are now of course offline), but www.nola.com is by far the best place for news and updates at this point.

It looks like the dire predictions may indeed come true a couple days after the fact :(

Up to 80% of the city is underwater.

http://www.wwltv.com/local/stories/WWLBLOG.ac3fcea.html

Is really good too.

charlos3000
08-30-2005, 12:33 PM
Originally posted by happy
I'm glad George is staying away from New Orleans. A natural disaster aftermath is nothing more than a photo-op, a place where politicians can "unite," shake some soiled hands, grimly survey damaged infrastructure, and then throw tax money at uninsured morons.

Yes. Unless he's gonna roll up his sleeves, pick up a shovel, and do some work, the country's better off with him staying put in crawford, flipping people off over the video phone.

happy
08-30-2005, 12:56 PM
Well, sometimes th' Spirit moves me. Usually a dose of Imodium and heroin clears it up.

Shaftoe
08-30-2005, 01:32 PM
There are reports that conditions are rapidly deteriorating within the superdome. Someone has apparently killed him/herself by leaping from an upper deck as well. The governor of Louisiana is saying that the SD is in need of evacuation now.

happy
08-30-2005, 01:54 PM
Forward pass thrown from beyond the line of scrimmage, five-yard penalty.

Shaftoe
08-30-2005, 02:17 PM
Shit man, I wouldn't wanna be stuck in there with tens of thousands of others, the ground floor slowly flooding, the shitters not functioning and overflowing with other people's shit and piss, no water or food, babies screaming, people undoubtedly dying, etc. It's gotta be fuckin WACK.

ocd
08-30-2005, 02:19 PM
I hope the National Guard can... oh... wait.

spookybuster
08-30-2005, 02:27 PM
This perhaps the worst disaster in the nations history, and what's on my TV: Oprah talking to lesbian parents of retarded children who have cancer and want to euthanize them...

happy
08-30-2005, 02:36 PM
The worst disaster in our nation's history, huh?

spookybuster
08-30-2005, 02:36 PM
Thats right pal. You'll be paying $3.50 a gallon next month.

happy
08-30-2005, 02:37 PM
Worst evar?

Shaftoe
08-30-2005, 02:48 PM
natural, anyway.

happy
08-30-2005, 02:58 PM
Originally posted by spookybuster
Thats right pal. You'll be paying $3.50 a gallon next month.

For milk?! Oh my god. :o

kamenriderv3
08-30-2005, 03:19 PM
that's soy milk too...

l-train8
08-30-2005, 03:24 PM
Originally posted by spookybuster
This perhaps the worst disaster in the nations history, and what's on my TV: Oprah talking to lesbian parents of retarded children who have cancer and want to euthanize them...

dude, that's just hyperbole. The '89 world series earthquake, hurricane Andrew, '93 flood of the upper Mississippi, the superstorm blizzard of '93, and the eruption of Mt. St. Helens are all disasters that have occured in my lifetime that are on par with Katrina's death toll.

And that's not going back to stuff like the 1909 San Francisco earthquake that killed an estimated 3000 people and virtually destroyed San Francisco. Or the Galvaston hurricane which killed 8000 and destroyed the city of Galvaston.

But the reason this stuff is not on the news is that there are no newspeople or camera crews in the devestated areas. Flooded roads, power and communication outages, and deadly danger are all keeping news from coming out of the hardest hit places. The news channels are covering this, but all they have are talking heads and weather maps, not much on-scene footage, and that makes for boring tv. I imagine this will change once reporters start getting back into the center of the disaster area.

Shaftoe
08-30-2005, 03:59 PM
From the WWTV site I linked earlier:

6:41 P.M. - Efforts to stop the levee break at the 17th Street Canal have ended unsuccessfully and the water is expected to soon overwhelm the pumps in that area, allowing water to pour into the east bank of Metairie and Orleans to an expected height of 12-15 feet.

l-train8
08-30-2005, 04:44 PM
Holy crud, the first floor of every building in much of downtown New Orleans is under water. That's just, wow.

From Monty Python and the Holy Grail:

"When I first came here, this was all swamp. Everyone said I was daft to build a castle on a swamp, but I built in all the same, just to show them. It sank into the swamp. So I built a second one. That sank into the swamp. So I built a third. That burned down, fell over, then sank into the swamp. But the fourth one stayed up."

I'm sure they will rebuild New Orleans.

35ft6
08-30-2005, 05:00 PM
Holy shit. I guess I haven't been keeping track because I just got my first real look at this shit. I'm shocked by how devastating it is. I feel for them folks.

l-train8
08-30-2005, 06:15 PM
Man, if I had seen this stuff, I wouldn't have been so flippant. It's all over the news now, and man does it look bad. I left the house this morning, there was nothing on the news. When I got home, that's all there is.

akuma
08-30-2005, 06:23 PM
just hear that at new orleans prison, thee inmates are rioting and holding hostages

FDM
08-30-2005, 08:46 PM
http://img376.imageshack.us/img376/3895/spidey8bs.jpg

ahumanbean
08-30-2005, 11:44 PM
...

The video is finally coming in...unbelievable. Unlike in "normal" disaster footage, where photography is preoccupied with the 5 or 10 most potent images, this looks like everything is compelling subject material.

***

Anyone have recommendations for effective organizations for helping out (i.e., donations)?

***

(Nightline just reported that N.O.'s elaborate pumping system for removing flood waters outflows into Lake Ponchartrain--the very source of the overflowing water!)

Robocon^^
08-30-2005, 11:47 PM
http://www.redcross.org/

bosozoku
08-31-2005, 12:39 AM
http://uploader.ws/upload/200508/thatsracist_2_1.gif

slackerbot
08-31-2005, 01:35 AM
http://abclocal.go.com/images/abc7hurricanerelief200.jpg

http://abclocal.go.com/kabc/story?section=local&id=3397696


ABC7 HURRICANE RELIEF DRIVE
WEDNESDAY, AUGUST 31, 5am-7pm

ABC7, the ABC Radio Family, 790 TalkRadio KABC, 95.5 KLOS, ESPN Radio 710, and The Walt Disney Company are collecting donations for victims of Hurricane Katrina. Our viewers have done much over the years to help those in need. If you can help again, those who have been devastated by this tragedy can begin to rebuild their lives.

On Wednesday, August 31st (5am-7pm) drop off your cash or check donation at either Dodger Stadium or the Arrowhead Pond of Anaheim. All money collected will be given to the American Red Cross relief effort. Members of the Eyewitness News team will be at both locations to meet you and personally than you for your generosity.

* DODGER STADIUM: Enter Dodger Stadium from the Elysian Park Avenue and Stadium Way entrance. The first 500 people to donate will get a free pair of Dodgers tickets.
* ARROWHEAD POND OF ANAHEIM: Enter off of of Douglass Road, which is off Katella Avenue.

Make checks payable to the American Red Cross, in the memo line write - Katrina Disaster Relief.

http://abclocal.go.com/images/disaster.jpg

http://msnbcmedia.msn.com/i/msnbc/Components/Art/COVER/050830/MEGA_CityMisery_748p.jpg

http://media.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/photo/homepage/hp8-30-05jj.jpg

frogbelly
08-31-2005, 05:52 AM
I urge everyone to donate. Here's just a few places I pulled from the CNN website:

Donate cash to:

American Red Cross (800) HELP NOW (435-7669) English; (800) 257-7575 Spanish

Operation Blessing (800) 436-6348

Salvation Army (800) SAL-ARMY (725-2769)

SDP
08-31-2005, 06:09 AM
Here's an eyr-opening flickr set of the area:

http://www.flickr.com/photos/lotuslynn/38882673/in/photostream/

happy
08-31-2005, 06:22 AM
Originally posted by l-train8
Man, if I had seen this stuff, I wouldn't have been so flippant. It's all over the news now, and man does it look bad. I left the house this morning, there was nothing on the news. When I got home, that's all there is.

New Orleans was a disaster waiting to happen; it wasn't a matter of if, but when a hurricane would clobber it. The extent of the damage is unsurprising because, as you know, the geography of the area makes it a pretty lousy place to be during a hurricane. It was bound to happen sooner or later and I'd like to think that most residents were aware of that fact.

stinky
08-31-2005, 06:34 AM
amazing pics. seeing the oil in the water is awful. tragic stuff.

happy
08-31-2005, 06:37 AM
http://www.sciencedaily.com/upi/?feed=TopNews&article=UPI-1-20050831-07295700-bc-us-katrina-looters.xml

Looters target New Orleans hospital
NEW ORLEANS, Aug. 31 (UPI) -- The hurricane-battered Children's Hospital in New Orleans has come under siege by angry and desperate looters, the New Orleans Times Picayune reports.

Late Tuesday, Gov. Kathleen Blanco's spokeswoman Denise Bottcher said the facility in the city's north end was being targeted, and people in the hospital were in danger.

Bottcher said the director of the hospital fears for the safety of the staff and the 100 children inside the locked-down hospital. The director said police had been summoned, but due to rising floodwaters, neither they nor National Guard have been able to respond.

At least three shootings and several carjacking attempts were reported in New Orleans Tuesday.

Hurricane Katrina's western edge hit the city Monday morning with winds of 140 mph, breaching levees and flooding the city.

Th' Big Easy.

Iago
08-31-2005, 07:28 AM
Devastation aside, I find the media's willingness to use fucking marketing soundytes, mostly from fucking government officials, some even if they are coming from people on the street, absolutely disgusting:

It's our tsunami.

It looks like Hiroshima is what it looks like.

...downtown Bagdad.




Shut the fuck up morons. This ain't a movie and we don't need the facile comparisons.

happy
08-31-2005, 07:33 AM
When I turned on the TV this morning I was taken aback by the live video of the devastation, and I solemnly intoned, "It looks just like Shakes the Clown." Sorry. :o

Iago
08-31-2005, 07:37 AM
Can't fuck with Bobcat....

FDM
08-31-2005, 07:49 AM
Originally posted by Iago

It looks like Hiroshima is what it looks like.

*edit*i knew you were just quoting a soundbyte from an official, iago, don't have at me like i'm quoting you directly.*edit*

9/11 wasn't as bad as hiroshima. that's fact. lock me up if you want, but about 3000 people died on 9/11. how many hundreds of thousands of people were VAPORIZED INSTANTLY on the day we dropped the bomb on hiroshima? now, think about the 50 people that died in the hurricane. whoopdee fucking ding. not to say that one bunch of lives lost is more important than another, i'm sad that *anybody* had to die because of a hurricane. but to compare a fucking natural disaster with no independent will of it's own, set on a completely random path, to a terrorist attack (either on our part or someone else's) is simply asinine.

i hate how people make themselves more victimized than they really are. like, they give hurricanes names so they can personalize them. "this was an EEEEEEVIL hurricane!"

you get the same goddamn thing with people getting attacked by animals in their own backyard because we've just been overdeveloping so much of the land. "i was sitting in my backyard when this EEEEEEVIL coyote attacked my child! you'd think this was *his* backyard the way he attacked!" about 6 months ago, it was.

stupid humans and their goddamn hubris.

08-31-2005, 08:12 AM
but those muslim clerics can control the weather...

Iago
08-31-2005, 08:19 AM
Originally posted by atomiclotusbox
but those muslim clerics can control the weather...

No. According to new scientific research...

http://www.disinfo.com/archive/pages/news/id2246/pg1/

frogbelly
08-31-2005, 09:07 AM
Check out the captions in these two photo links:
Black people loot and the white people "find"

http://pics.livejournal.com/jadedjade/pic/0006259x

http://pics.livejournal.com/jadedjade/pic/00063tpw




Originally posted by Iago
Devastation aside, I find the media's willingness to use fucking marketing soundytes, mostly from fucking government officials, some even if they are coming from people on the street, absolutely disgusting:

It's our tsunami.

It looks like Hiroshima is what it looks like.

...downtown Bagdad.




Shut the fuck up morons. This ain't a movie and we don't need the facile comparisons.

650lex
08-31-2005, 09:15 AM
I heard there's a three foot long shark swimming in the streets of New Orleans....

Shaftoe
08-31-2005, 09:26 AM
Originally posted by funkydrunknmonk

now, think about the 50 people that died in the hurricane. whoopdee fucking ding.

Not for nothin, and I think the comparisons to hiro/baghdad/tsunami are fuckin dumb also, but if you think the death toll from this is 50 you are mistaken. It's going to go a fuck-all LOT LOT higher. A LOT higher, unfortunately.

It'll be at least 1000 when all is said and done.

jinzoningen
08-31-2005, 09:50 AM
Originally posted by frogbelly
Check out the captions in these two photo links:
Black people loot and the white people "find"

http://pics.livejournal.com/jadedjade/pic/0006259x

http://pics.livejournal.com/jadedjade/pic/00063tpw


Haha. The white people are only "borrowing". They'll return everything, I assure you.

jinzoningen
08-31-2005, 09:52 AM
Originally posted by spookybuster
Thats right pal. You'll be paying $3.50 a gallon next month.

http://www.theoildrum.com/story/2005/8/31/83553/8973#more

"In short, the Gulf area hit by the storm is basically in about the same shape as Biloxi. The damage numbers you have gotten from the government and analysts are, in my opinion, much too low. We are looking at YEARS to return to the production levels we had prior to the storm."

It ain't no joke. $3+ gasoline is here to stay.

happy
08-31-2005, 10:05 AM
Y'see, people love disasters -- Americans especially. Americanos have an obsession with seeking out and focusing on anything that is either "the first" or "the worst." They have a lot of fun when bad things happen on a large scale, perhaps more fun than anyone else in the world. They enjoy the hysteria and the sense of awe and history in the making, and they want to cling to that and embellish it as much as possible. Eventually it turns into sheer gloating.

kamenriderv3
08-31-2005, 11:41 AM
well its good for ratings.

ahumanbean
08-31-2005, 11:43 AM
Originally posted by puppy fields


yeah. i was reading in LA times this morning how california rarely uses gas from the east coast, cause that gas pollutes more. but california will probally be exporting it's gas to the east coast, which drives up prices.



Office of Homeland Security just had a press conference. One of the cabinet people announced that, in order to ease the strain on gasoline reserves, they have lifted the regulations on volatility and sulfur content for gasoline--for all states!

Trying not to flame too bad (really!), but we need guarantees of both (1) a choice at the pump of either compliant or noncompliant gasoline; and (2) a firm (and reasonable) date for the lifting of such moratorium.

08-31-2005, 11:58 AM
whoa, crazy.

how is that homeland security business?

happy
08-31-2005, 02:32 PM
Originally posted by frogbelly
To your point happy, yes New Orleans is below sea level and yes there is always the chance of disaster but I ask you to name one place that isnít prone to the whims of Mother Nature.

We are all at the mercy of natural disasters and some of us choose to live in riskier places.
Do we think of how dangerous it is on a daily basis? No. Do we deserve to die? No.
Should everyone in California pack up and move somewhere without a major fault line? No.
Never knowing what may happen could be part of the charm of these areas.
The great city of New Orleans has always lived with these conditions. Itís filthy and beautiful. Itís charming and backwards. Itís borderline Third World and majestic in the same breath. It is denial and acceptance and one of the most unique places in the world
We have bought into it and we prop it up. That Iím sure most residents know.

Apply your safe living philosophy to Harvey Jackson of Biloxi who watched his wife float away and see if it makes any sense.


Personal stories don't touch me, and neither does sentimentality. If you choose to live in a risky area, you should take precautions. Smart folks are two states away collecting insurance money; still smarter folks already live inland. Everyone else is wallowing in "charm."

'jim
08-31-2005, 04:30 PM
Originally posted by Iago


No. According to new scientific research...

http://www.disinfo.com/archive/pages/news/id2246/pg1/

My fellow Americans, we can win the War on Insects...

spookybuster
08-31-2005, 07:00 PM
http://www.mst3kinfo.com/daddyo/images/K15TVG.GIF

spookybuster
08-31-2005, 07:10 PM
Originally posted by happy
Y'see, people love disasters -- Americans especially. Americanos have an obsession with seeking out and focusing on anything that is either "the first" or "the worst." They have a lot of fun when bad things happen on a large scale, perhaps more fun than anyone else in the world. They enjoy the hysteria and the sense of awe and history in the making, and they want to cling to that and embellish it as much as possible. Eventually it turns into sheer gloating.

And then there are other smarmy assholes who proudly display their insensitivity and lack of relevant observational awareness and mouth off about how funny they think everything is...you know...its called "smug" some people call it "being an asshole."

YelloKitty
08-31-2005, 08:56 PM
http://us.news3.yimg.com/us.i2.yimg.com/p/ap/20050830/capt.ladm11608301734.hurricane_katrina_ladm116.jpg
A woman walks through chest-deep water as she heads to loot a grocery store in New Orleans, Tuesday, Aug. 30, 2005, as floodwaters continue to rise after Hurricane Katrina made landfall on Monday.
http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/050830/480/ladm11608301734

http://us.news3.yimg.com/us.i2.yimg.com/p/ap/20050830/capt.ladm10208301530.hurricane_katrina_ladm102.jpg
A young man walks through chest deep flood water after looting a grocery store in New Orleans on Tuesday, Aug. 30, 2005. Flood waters continue to rise in New Orleans after Hurricane Katrina did extensive damage when it made landfall on Monday.
http://news.yahoo.com/photo/050830/480/ladm10208301530

http://us.news3.yimg.com/us.i2.yimg.com/p/afp/20050830/capt.sge.cyn78.300805074130.photo01.photo.default-268x384.jpg
Two residents wade through chest-deep water after finding bread and soda from a local grocery store after Hurricane Katrina came through the area in New Orleans, Louisiana.
http://news.yahoo.com/photo/050830/photos_ts_afp/050830071810_shxwaoma_photo1

black people loot! white people find!
http://www.boingboing.net/2005/08/30/black_people_loot_wh.html

randall fairbrook
09-01-2005, 04:47 AM
Originally posted by happy


happy was a disaster waiting to happen; it wasn't a matter of if, but when a hurricane would clobber it. The extent of the damage is unsurprising because, as you know, the geography of the area makes it a pretty lousy place to be during a hurricane. It was bound to happen sooner or later and I'd like to think that most residents of the gr boards were aware of that fact.

happy
09-01-2005, 04:52 AM
Y'see, son, every man chooses when to entertain himself with solemnity and grimness. He chooses to lose composure over the big things; a million deaths spread out over a year offers no satisfaction. It's too abstract. Simply contemplating the human condition is a bore. He needs something big and neatly packaged to make him sit up and weep: a very first or a very worst. But the emotional sting -- the enjoyment -- of hurricane Katrina will eventually fade until she's nothing more than a footnote in history. And then we're all back at square one. What a drag.

I just have no sense of what is worth temporarily getting upset over and what is not. Others are blessed with a "Gameplan of Despair" which instructs them when to be emotional, but I didn't get that memo. And if I did, I'd light my pipe with it.

Remember, time is running out. You can't be upset forever so enjoy it while you can.

Shaftoe
09-01-2005, 05:38 AM
Evacuation halted at the superdome because of fires set and shots fired. When the buses show up to take them to the Astrodome the buses are getting swarmed by people from nearby buildings trying to get out as well.

Shaftoe
09-01-2005, 05:55 AM
http://cagle.msnbc.com/news/HurricaneKatrina/images/crowe28.gif

Shaftoe
09-01-2005, 06:00 AM
And just to get your blood boiling, here's some fundie christians blaming it on the gays and mardi gras:

http://www.repentamerica.com/pr_hurricanekatrina.html

'jim
09-01-2005, 06:25 AM
:/ If God wanted to destroy gays, wouldn't he send a hurricane DURING the event?

'jim
09-01-2005, 06:27 AM
& this affected a pretty large area, not just NO. God appartantly not giving a fuck about collateral damage.

09-01-2005, 06:28 AM
why start now?

'jim
09-01-2005, 06:33 AM
True. Sometimes God'll send some tornados down on Kansas, whole towns are destroyed...just to to kill them one or two fags. But it's worth it, right Bubba?

09-01-2005, 07:21 AM
i live like, 300 feet from the Ohio River.

there is a floodwall but it's not that imposing really.

i'm thinking of keeping a canoe on my roof.

there's some lesbians in my neighborhood.

there might even be a boy scout or two.

god sees everything.

09-01-2005, 07:29 AM
bush says:

"I just received an update from Secretary Chertoff and other Cabinet secretaries involved on the latest developments in Louisiana, Mississippi and Alabama.

As we flew here today, I also asked the pilot to fly over the Gulf Coast region so I could see firsthand the scope and magnitude of the devastation.

The vast majority of New Orleans, Louisiana, is under water. Tens of thousands of homes and businesses are beyond repair. A lot of the Mississippi Gulf Coast has been completely destroyed. Mobile is flooded.

We are dealing with one of the worst natural disasters in our nation's history. And that's why I've called the Cabinet together.

The people in the affected regions expect the federal government to work with the state government and local government with an effective response.

I have directed Secretary of Homeland Security Mike Chertoff to chair a Cabinet-level task force to coordinate all our assistance from Washington.

FEMA Director Mike Brown is in charge of all federal response and recovery efforts in the field.

I've instructed them to work closely with state and local officials, as well as with the private sector, to ensure that we're helping -- not hindering -- recovery efforts. This recovery will take a long time. This recovery will take years.

Our efforts are now focused on three priorities.

Our first priority is to save lives. We're assisting local officials in New Orleans in evacuating any remaining citizens from the affected area.

I want to thank the state of Texas, and particularly Harris County and the city of Houston and officials with the Houston Astrodome, for providing shelter to those citizens who found refuge in the Superdome in Louisiana. Buses are on the way to take those people from New Orleans to Houston.

FEMA's deployed more than 50 disaster medical assistance teams from all across the country to help the affected -- to help those in the affected areas. FEMA's deployed more than 25 urban search and rescue teams with more than 1,000 personnel to help save as many lives as possible.

The United States Coast Guard is conducting search and rescue missions. They're working alongside local officials, local assets. The Coast Guard has rescued nearly 2,000 people to date.

The Department of Defense is deploying major assets to the region. These include the USS Bataan to conduct search and rescue missions, eight swift water rescue teams, the Iwo Jima Amphibious Readiness Group to help with disaster response equipment, and Hospital Ship USNS Comfort to help provide medical care.

The National Guard has nearly 11,000 guardsmen on state active duty to assist governors and local officials with security and disaster response efforts.

FEMA and the Army Corp of Engineers are working around the clock with Louisiana officials to repair the breaches in the levees so we can stop the flooding in New Orleans.

Our second priority is to sustain lives by ensuring adequate food, water, shelter and medical supplies for survivors and dedicated citizens -- or dislocated citizens.

FEMA's moving supplies and equipment into the hardest hit areas.

The Department of Transportation has provided more than 400 trucks to move 1,000 truckloads containing 5.4 million meals ready to eat, or MREs; 13.4 million liters of water; 10,400 tarps; 3.4 million pounds of ice; 144 generators; 20 containers of prepositions disaster supplies; 135,000 blankets and 11,000 cots. And we're just starting.

There are more than 78,000 people now in shelters.

[The Department of Health and Human Services] and [the Centers for Disease Control] are working with local officials to identify operating hospital facilities so we can help them, help the nurses and doctors provide necessary medical care.

They're distributing medical supplies, and they're executing a public health plan to control disease and other health-related issues that might arise.

Our third priority is executing a comprehensive recovery effort. We are focusing on restoring power and lines of communication that have been knocked out during the storm.

We'll be repairing major roads and bridges and other essential means of transportation as quickly as possible.

There's a lot of work we're going to have to do. In my flyover, I saw a lot of destruction on major infrastructure. Repairing the infrastructure, of course, is going to be a key priority.

Department of Energy is approving loans from the Strategic Petroleum Reserve to limit disruptions in crude supplies for refineries. A lot of crude production has been shut down because of the storm. I instructed Secretary [ Samuel] Bodman to work with refiners, people who need crude oil, to alleviate any shortage through loans.

The Environmental Protection Agency has granted a nationwide waiver for fuel blends to make more gasoline and diesel fuel available throughout the country.

This will help take some pressure off of gas prices, but our citizens must understand this storm has disrupted the capacity to make gasoline and distribute gasoline.

We're also developing a comprehensive plan to immediately help displaced citizens.

This will include housing and education and health care and other essential needs.

I've directed the folks in my Cabinet to work with local folks, local officials, to develop a comprehensive strategy to rebuild the communities affected. And there's going to be a lot of rebuilding done. I can't tell you how devastating the sites were.

I want to thank the communities and surrounding states that have welcomed their neighbors during an hour of need. A lot of folks left the affected areas and found refuge with a relative or a friend. And I appreciate you doing that.

I also want to thank the American Red Cross and the Salvation Army and the Catholic Charities and all other members of the armies of compassion.

I think the folks in the affected areas are going to be overwhelmed when they realize how many Americans want to help them.

At this stage in the recovery efforts, it's important for those who want to contribute to contribute cash; to contribute cash to a charity of your choice but make sure you designate that gift for hurricane relief.

You can call 1-800-HELP-NOW or you can get on the Red Cross Web page, redcross.org. The Red Cross needs our help, and I urge our fellow citizens to contribute.

The folks on the Gulf Coast are going to need the help of this country for a long time. This is going to be a difficult road. The challenges that we face on the ground are unprecedented. But there's no doubt in my mind we're going to succeed.

Right now, the days seem awfully dark for those affected. I understand that. But I'm confident that, with time, you'll get your life back in order. New communities will flourish. The great city of New Orleans will be back on its feet. And America will be a stronger place for it.

The country stands with you. We'll do all in our power to help you. May God bless you. Thank you."

tangent23
09-01-2005, 07:31 AM
Originally posted by 'jim
& this affected a pretty large area, not just NO. God appartantly not giving a fuck about collateral damage.

no, apparently God's a 'Big Picture' guy..

charlos3000
09-01-2005, 07:57 AM
i hate the bush speechwriting team:

As we flew here today, I also asked the pilot to fly over the Gulf Coast region so I could see firsthand the scope and magnitude of the devastation.

how big of you. do you want a cookie?

The vast majority of New Orleans, Louisiana, is under water. Tens of thousands of homes and businesses are beyond repair. A lot of the Mississippi Gulf Coast has been completely destroyed. Mobile is flooded.

no shit, President Obvious.

We are dealing with one of the worst natural disasters in our nation's history. And that's why I've called the Cabinet together.

oh SHIT! the Cabinet!? Goddamn we's saved now, mister president!

There's a lot of work we're going to have to do. In my flyover, I saw a lot of destruction on major infrastructure. Repairing the infrastructure, of course, is going to be a key priority.

At any point in the flyover did the destruction remind you of the destruction of Iraq after "Operation Kancho Freedom" was over, and you flew on that stupid jet and landed on that carrier with the Dot Matrix Printshop "Mission Accomplished" banner? Was the restoration of 'infrastructure' as necessary in Iraq as it is in N.O.? Furthermore, priorities aside, since you have proven that you and your people are so incompetent that you can't even build a cement curb in baghdad, how do you plan on repairing a freeway? Lemme guess, has something to do with rewarding some no-bid contract to hefty campaign contributors...

fmstlr
09-01-2005, 08:03 AM
it's no bid because it's an emergency repair! There's no time for the usual bidding process. Getting THE PEOPLE back on their feet should be the #1 priority. Unusual times call for unusual measures.

I can write fuckin windbag speeches for hte gimp.

charlos3000
09-01-2005, 08:06 AM
There's no time for PARTISAN politics in the wake of a natural disaster.

The Dept of Homeland Security is investigating the link between Saddam Hussein and Gulf Hurricanes. We are confident we can establish a link between the two because Saddam vacationed in Cancun once.

tangent23
09-01-2005, 08:09 AM
that's enough for me, god bless america...

happy
09-01-2005, 08:12 AM
Everyone's favorite president is doing far more to "help the cause" than any weeping fool in this thread. His rhetoric is as empty as anyone's. All of this puerile concern amounts to nil. That's all any of you are good for: crocodile tears and toeing the line of appropriateness for the sake of appearances. If you care so much, so goddamn much, take the next flight to Shitsville, LA and shovel some toxic sludge. You have the means, so get to work. Sure, you'll have to dodge bullets because all of the charmingly disadvantaged people will want to kill you, but the pictures will look great on your blogs. You might even have to actually touch a poor black person and not just champion him from a distance, and your favorite pair of shoes may be ruined, but if that's what it takes, then by golly, that's what it takes.

tangent23
09-01-2005, 08:15 AM
hell no, i'm stockpiling as we speak..

ahumanbean
09-01-2005, 08:16 AM
My favorite part was this, and he has said it over and over in every sound bite(sp?). He (the speech writers) was very specific in the wording. Errrrrrrrrr...:

"We'll do all in our power to help you."

Just for once couldn't he have said "We will help you"? No chance. Smarmy.

He operates with this type of 2-directional rhetoric all the time.



Can't remember if anyone posted this link to the live tv feed from Southern Louisiana.

http://www.wwltv.com/perl/common/video/wmPlayer.pl?title=beloint_wfaa&props=livenoad

tangent23
09-01-2005, 08:18 AM
you know, i think pretty much all politicians speak like that..

ahumanbean
09-01-2005, 08:23 AM
Originally posted by tangent23
you know, i think pretty much all politicians speak like that..

Almost by definition...but this doesn't mean that it is not a problem.

09-01-2005, 08:23 AM
Originally posted by happy
Everyone's favorite president is doing far more to "help the cause" than any weeping fool in this thread. His rhetoric is as empty as anyone's. All of this puerile concern amounts to nil. That's all any of you are good for: crocodile tears and toeing the line of appropriateness for the sake of appearances. If you care so much, so goddamn much, take the next flight to Shitsville, LA and shovel some toxic sludge. You have the means, so get to work. Sure, you'll have to dodge bullets because all of the charmingly disadvantaged people will want to kill you, but the pictures will look great on your blogs. You might even have to actually touch a poor black person and not just champion him from a distance, and your favorite pair of shoes may be ruined, but if that's what it takes, then by golly, that's what it takes.

decaf man, decaf.

happy
09-01-2005, 08:25 AM
Originally posted by atomiclotusbox


decaf man, decaf.

Nevar!

likeothers
09-01-2005, 08:35 AM
happy is on a roll. not very happy.

tangent23
09-01-2005, 08:35 AM
Originally posted by ahumanbean


Almost by definition...but this doesn't mean that it is not a problem.

well, yes, my point being let's talk rather of the imbalances of the system generally than rehash the salesman's pitch which we already know is sneaky and dangerous..

but then a reminder is always good.. but i'm not one for this whole politics thing, i think the whole thing is a sham and the problems we face go deeper than whether one person stands to the left or right of an imaginary line.

charlos3000
09-01-2005, 08:53 AM
Originally posted by happy
Everyone's favorite president is doing far more to "help the cause" than any weeping fool in this thread. His rhetoric is as empty as anyone's. All of this puerile concern amounts to nil. That's all any of you are good for: crocodile tears and toeing the line of appropriateness for the sake of appearances. If you care so much, so goddamn much, take the next flight to Shitsville, LA and shovel some toxic sludge. You have the means, so get to work. Sure, you'll have to dodge bullets because all of the charmingly disadvantaged people will want to kill you, but the pictures will look great on your blogs. You might even have to actually touch a poor black person and not just champion him from a distance, and your favorite pair of shoes may be ruined, but if that's what it takes, then by golly, that's what it takes.

who's championing anyone?

I called the bush speechwriters incompetent for making their man look like a douche, which is no doubt true.

c'mon happy, you're getting sloppy with the aim from your crow's nest of white privelege!

happy
09-01-2005, 08:56 AM
At least Bush has speechwriters to blame.

DROP THE BOMB, EXTERMINATE THEM ALL.

charlos3000
09-01-2005, 08:58 AM
yeah the rest of us have no absolution from our douchebaggery.

that said, who's up for pizza?

happy
09-01-2005, 08:59 AM
Deep dish with extra offal for me.

randall fairbrook
09-01-2005, 09:18 AM
http://dale.bewley.net/camera/1999/06/18%20New%20Orleans%20Fern%20Building.jpg ,

http://www.dotolearn.com/picturecards/images/imageschedule/juicebox_l.gif

4u

Shaftoe
09-01-2005, 10:34 AM
Fats Domino is missing in New Orleans. He and his wife stayed behind to ride out Katrina in their 9th Ward home, which is an area that received very heavy flooding after the floodwall breaks.

Ain't That a Shame.

jinzoningen
09-01-2005, 10:46 AM
I thought Fats died years ago. Silly me.

ocd
09-01-2005, 10:48 AM
He played in one of the nicer Indian casinos up here a couple years back if I remember right.

Shaftoe
09-01-2005, 10:53 AM
The resentment is going to be unfathomable if tons of people die simply waiting to be evacuated. Dehydration's gotta be a bitch.

nauism
09-01-2005, 10:56 AM
Originally posted by Shaftoe
Evacuation halted at the superdome because of fires set and shots fired. When the buses show up to take them to the Astrodome the buses are getting swarmed by people from nearby buildings trying to get out as well.

Not sure if this was already posted;

http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/nation/la-na-superdome1sep01,0,4489032.story?coll=la-home-nation

"Trapped in an Arena of Suffering

We are like animals,' a mother says inside the Louisiana Superdome, where hope and supplies are sparse.

By Scott Gold, Times Staff Writer

NEW ORLEANS ó A 2-year-old girl slept in a pool of urine. Crack vials littered a restroom. Blood stained the walls next to vending machines smashed by teenagers.

The Louisiana Superdome, once a mighty testament to architecture and ingenuity, became the biggest storm shelter in New Orleans the day before Katrina's arrival Monday. About 16,000 people eventually settled in.

By Wednesday, it had degenerated into horror. A few hundred people were evacuated from the arena Wednesday, and buses will take away the vast majority of refugees today.

"We pee on the floor. We are like animals," said Taffany Smith, 25, as she cradled her 3-week-old son, Terry. In her right hand she carried a half-full bottle of formula provided by rescuers. Baby supplies are running low; one mother said she was given two diapers and told to scrape them off when they got dirty and use them again.

At least two people, including a child, have been raped. At least three people have died, including one man who jumped 50 feet to his death, saying he had nothing left to live for.

..."

jinzoningen
09-01-2005, 10:57 AM
Prophetic (http://www.pnionline.com/dnblog/attytood/archives/002331.html)

"It appears that the money has been moved in the presidentís budget to handle homeland security and the war in Iraq, and I suppose thatís the price we pay. Nobody locally is happy that the levees canít be finished, and we are doing everything we can to make the case that this is a security issue for us."

-- Walter Maestri, emergency management chief for Jefferson Parish, Louisiana; New Orleans Times-Picayune, June 8, 2004.

09-01-2005, 10:58 AM
fucking OUCH!

09-01-2005, 11:06 AM
so will they rebuild the city in the same location?

if not, will they leave the ruins there?

man, didn't neal stephenson write about this?

09-01-2005, 11:10 AM
so what's the deal with police communications?

are they trying to use cell phones?

don't they have cb radios anymore?

or walkie talkies?

Robocon^^
09-01-2005, 11:11 AM
I'm just hoping they can finish the evacuation.

09-01-2005, 11:39 AM
i think a lot of those people don't want to leave.

Robocon^^
09-01-2005, 11:41 AM
?? I think the majority of those who aren't evacuated yet just want to get the hell out.

charlos3000
09-01-2005, 11:43 AM
Mayor Nagin says:

"This is a desperate SOS. Right now we are out of resources at the Convention Center and don't anticipate enough buses. Currently the Convention Center is unsanitary and unsafe and we are running out of supplies for 15,000 to 25,000 people"

Where you at, President Bush?

09-01-2005, 11:44 AM
where you at, american people?

charlos3000
09-01-2005, 11:45 AM
Originally posted by atomiclotusbox
where you at, american people?

Where you at "Southern Decadence" revellers?

09-01-2005, 12:03 PM
"WASHINGTON - The Bush administration intends to seek more than $10 billion to cover immediate relief needs in the wake of Hurricane Katrina, congressional officials said Thursday, and lawmakers made plans to approve the request by the weekend."

jinzoningen
09-01-2005, 12:12 PM
Originally posted by atomiclotusbox
"WASHINGTON - The Bush administration intends to seek more than $10 billion to cover immediate relief needs in the wake of Hurricane Katrina, congressional officials said Thursday, and lawmakers made plans to approve the request by the weekend."

I'm wondering where they're gonna get the funds to rebuild New Orleans. Going into more debt is a bad idea.

charlos3000
09-01-2005, 12:12 PM
Does that mean hummer repairs and body armor shipments will have to stop for a day or two?

cuz i know it doesn't mean that rich people have to pay proper taxes for a day or two.

ocd
09-01-2005, 12:20 PM
Originally posted by charlos3000


Where you at "Southern Decadence" revellers? Trent Lott's home got pwned too. OMG HE'S A HOMO TOO!

charlos3000
09-01-2005, 12:24 PM
"keep it on the downlow. nobody has to know..."

ocd
09-01-2005, 12:34 PM
Originally posted by atomiclotusbox
"WASHINGTON - The Bush administration intends to seek more than $10 billion to cover immediate relief needs in the wake of Hurricane Katrina, congressional officials said Thursday, and lawmakers made plans to approve the request by the weekend." Man on fire calls for increased flame-retardant funding (http://www.theonion.com/content/node/40103)

stryfe
09-01-2005, 01:18 PM
from ars (http://episteme.arstechnica.com/groupee/forums/a/tpc/f/174096756/m/432003315731/p/5)

"January 2001: Bush appoints Joe Allbaugh, a crony from Texas, as head of FEMA. Allbaugh has no previous experience in disaster management.

April 2001: Budget Director Mitch Daniels announces the Bush administration's goal of privatizing much of FEMA's work. In May, Allbaugh confirms that FEMA will be downsized: "Many are concerned that federal disaster assistance may have evolved into both an oversized entitlement program...." he said. "Expectations of when the federal government should be involved and the degree of involvement may have ballooned beyond what is an appropriate level."

2001: FEMA designates a major hurricane hitting New Orleans as one of the three "likeliest, most catastrophic disasters facing this country."

December 2002: After less than two years at FEMA, Allbaugh announces he is leaving to start up a consulting firm that advises companies seeking to do business in Iraq. He is succeeded by his deputy, Michael Brown, who, like Allbaugh, has no previous experience in disaster management.

March 2003: FEMA is downgraded from a cabinet level position and folded into the Department of Homeland Security. Its mission is refocused on fighting acts of terrorism.

2003: Under its new organization chart within DHS, FEMA's preparation and planning functions are reassigned to a new Office of Preparedness and Response. FEMA will henceforth focus only on response and recovery.

Summer 2004: FEMA denies Louisiana's pre-disaster mitigation funding requests. Says Jefferson Parish flood zone manager Tom Rodrigue: "You would think we would get maximum consideration....This is what the grant program called for. We were more than qualified for it."

June 2004: The Army Corps of Engineers budget for levee construction in New Orleans is slashed. Jefferson Parish emergency management chiefs Walter Maestri comments: "It appears that the money has been moved in the president's budget to handle homeland security and the war in Iraq, and I suppose that's the price we pay."

June 2005: Funding for the New Orleans district of the U.S. Army Corps of Engineers is cut by a record $71.2 million. One of the hardest-hit areas is the Southeast Louisiana Urban Flood Control Project, which was created after the May 1995 flood to improve drainage in Jefferson, Orleans and St. Tammany parishes.

August 2005: While New Orleans is undergoing a slow motion catastrophe, Bush mugs for the cameras, cuts a cake for John McCain, plays the guitar for Mark Wills, delivers an address about V-J day, and continues with his vacation. When he finally gets around to acknowledging the scope of the unfolding disaster, he delivers only a photo op on Air Force One and a flat, defensive, laundry list speech in the Rose Garden."

ocd
09-01-2005, 01:20 PM
"We're naming it Lake George (http://www.wonkette.com/politics/katrina/index.php#a-tragedy-by-any-other-name-123456), 'cause it's his frickin fault. Have you seen all that data about the levee projects' funding being cut over the past three years by the Prez, and the funding transferred to Iraq? The levee, as designed, might not have held back the surge from a direct Class 5 hit, but it certainly would not have crumbled on Monday night from saturation and scour erosion following a glancing blow from a Class 3. The failure was in a spot that had just been rebuilt, not yet compacted, not planted, and not armed (hardened with rock/concrete). The project should have been done two years ago, but the federal gov't diverted 80% of the funding to Iraq. Other areas had settled by a few feet from their design specs, and the money to repair them was diverted to Iraq.

The NO paper raised hell about this time and again, to no avail. And who will take the blame for it? The Army Corps, because they're good soldiers and will never contradict the C in C. But Corps has had
massive budget cuts across all departments (including wetland regulatory) since Bush took office, and now we've reaped what was sown. It really pisses me off to see the Corps get used by the Administration to shield Bush -- they do great work when they're funded. This was senseless, useless death caused not by nature but by budget decisions."

slackerbot
09-01-2005, 01:24 PM
i think i'm gonna play some golf after this interview.

http://us.news3.yimg.com/us.i2.yimg.com/p/ap/20050901/capt.ny12109011132.hurricane_katrina_bush_ny121.jpg

happy
09-01-2005, 01:34 PM
http://moynihaninstitute.org/images/looters.jpg
http://sitebuilder.siteprotect.com/moynihaninstitute.org/cocoa_library/user_gallery/cocoaimage_00531
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slackerbot
09-01-2005, 01:41 PM
alcohol and sports jerseys are essential for surival. don't you know anything?

09-01-2005, 01:41 PM
http://sitebuilder.siteprotect.com/moynihaninstitute.org/cocoa_library/user_gallery/cocoaimage_00531

IT'S ALL ABOUT THE BEER. HEINEKENģ.

happy
09-01-2005, 01:43 PM
http://www.ridgenet.net/~do_while/sage/images/neander.gif

09-01-2005, 01:50 PM
nice self portrait there, buddy.

jinzoningen
09-01-2005, 01:55 PM
http://moynihaninstitute.org/images/looters.jpg
JUST DO IT. NIKEģ

ahumanbean
09-01-2005, 02:06 PM
"Thousands of indie artists from CDBaby.com have generously agreed to donate the entire proceeds of their CDs to benefit the victims of Hurricane Katrina. It's a great way to enjoy indie music and become a part of the solution.The musicians in this gallery have chosen to donate their ENTIRE wholesale price to the American Red Cross disaster relief fund." http://cdbaby.com/group/redcross

happy
09-01-2005, 02:17 PM
Originally posted by atomiclotusbox
nice self portrait there, buddy.

T__T

slackerbot
09-01-2005, 02:19 PM
http://abclocal.go.com/kabc/story?section=local&id=3397696

ABC7 HURRICANE RELIEF DRIVE

ABC7, the ABC Radio Family, 790 TalkRadio KABC, 95.5 KLOS, ESPN Radio 710, and The Walt Disney Company are collecting donations for victims of Hurricane Katrina. Our viewers have done much over the years to help those in need. If you can help again, those who have been devastated by this tragedy can begin to rebuild their lives.
Please mail your donations to:

American Red Cross Hurricane Relief
c/o ABC7
PO Box 5967
Glendale, CA 91221-5967

Make checks payable to the American Red Cross, in the memo line write - Katrina Disaster Relief.

===============================

http://www.nbc4.tv/news/4924534/detail.html

Hurricane Relief: How To Help
If you're looking to help with hurricane relief, you have many options.

TO DONATE CASH:

American Red Cross
(800) HELP NOW (435-7669) English
(800) 257-7575 Spanish
Donate Online

Operation Blessing
(800) 436-6348

America's Second Harvest
(800) 344-8070

TO DONATE CASH AND VOLUNTEER:

Adventist Community Services
(800) 381-7171

Catholic Charities, USA
(703) 549-1390

Christian Disaster Response
(941) 956-5183 or (941) 551-9554

Christian Reformed World Relief Committee
(800) 848-5818

Church World Service
(800) 297-1516

Convoy of Hope
(417) 823-8998

Lutheran Disaster Response
(800) 638-3522

Mennonite Disaster Service
(717) 859-2210

Nazarene Disaster Response
(888) 256-5886

Presbyterian Disaster Assistance
(800) 872-3283

Salvation Army
(800) SAL-ARMY (725-2769)

Southern Baptist Convention -- Disaster Relief
(800) 462-8657, ext. 6440

United Methodist Committee on Relief
(800) 554-8583

MORE INFORMATION:

National Voluntary Organizations Active in Disaster

Federal Emergency Management Agency

happy
09-01-2005, 02:26 PM
http://sitebuilder.siteprotect.com/moynihaninstitute.org/cocoa_library/user_gallery/cocoaimage_00529

"Yeah, a little higher -- ohhh, that's good. That's real good. Now the shoulders."

happy
09-01-2005, 02:32 PM
http://wwwi.reuters.com/images/2005-09-01T140823_413x450_US-WEATHER-KATRINA.jpg

The Water is Rising pleas.

spookybuster
09-01-2005, 03:12 PM
http://www.creativescreenwriting.com/csdaily/csdart/images/Dawn%20of%20the%20Dead%201978%20-%20Survivors%20in%20mall%20.jpg

http://www.staticgroove.com/images/contests/dawnpic1.jpg

http://www.blackfilm.com/i3/movies/d/dawnofthedead/004.jpg

http://ffmedia.ign.com/filmforce/image/dawnofthedead-8.jpg

http://images.contactmusic.com/images/reviews/dawndead.jpg

http://www.boxofficeprophets.com/images2/dawnofthedead031704.jpg

http://www.britishcouncil.org/arts-film-28dayslater-330x220.jpg

charlos3000
09-01-2005, 03:17 PM
did W really play golf yesterday?

i wonder what he shot?

ocd
09-01-2005, 03:36 PM
Originally posted by charlos3000
did W really play golf yesterday?

i wonder what he shot? Yup, after he found out that the city was destroyed he played a round of golf in Arizona.

I want a reporter to ask him what he shot. I would love that. Hell, I'd torpedo my reporting career to ask that if I had the chance.

l-train8
09-01-2005, 03:41 PM
I found my thrill...

Fats Domino has been found at the Superdome. http://www.thestranger.com/blog/archives/2005/08/28-03.php#a001365

ocd
09-01-2005, 03:42 PM
Originally posted by l-train8
Fats Domino has been found at the Superdome. http://www.thestranger.com/blog/archives/2005/08/28-03.php#a001365 Good. I hope he speaks out on all the crazy shit that's happened there.

slackerbot
09-01-2005, 03:52 PM
Celine Dion!

http://news.yahoo.com/photo/050901/photos_ts_afp/050901214354_ae7ihclw_photo0/print

http://us.news3.yimg.com/us.i2.yimg.com/p/afp/20050901/capt.sge.dxi74.010905214345.photo00.photo.default-245x384.jpg

Thu Sep 1, 5:43 PM ET

Canadian pop singer Celine Dion, pictured in 2004, donated one million dollars to lead a growing effort by Hollywood music and film stars to aid victims of Hurricane Katrina.(AFP/Getty Images/File/Scott Gries)

spookybuster
09-01-2005, 04:47 PM
Originally posted by ocd
Good. I hope he speaks out on all the crazy shit that's happened there.

Homeland Security will kill him before he's allowed to do that.

ahumanbean
09-01-2005, 05:06 PM
Did anyone see Gov. Blanco's press conference today? Didn't Venezuela's Chavez send a representative who announced that Venezuela would send aid money and 66,000 bbls of crude a day through the winter to ease strain? Jesse Jackson brokered the deal?

The thing is, I cannot find one thing about it on the Internet!

Has this been "disappeared"?

Did anyone else see this? Link?

'jim
09-01-2005, 05:11 PM
Originally posted by charlos3000


Where you at "Southern Decadence" revellers?

This is a great chance for a big group of fags to get in there and save the day, make the Christians look like assholes.

Well, bigger assholes.





That AFP photo (& caption) got deleted, btw. Yahoo apologized and pretty much blamed them.

'jim
09-01-2005, 05:14 PM
Originally posted by ahumanbean
Did anyone see Gov. Blanco's press conference today? Didn't Venezuela's Chavez send a representative who announced that Venezuela would send aid money and 66,000 bbls of crude a day through the winter to ease strain? Jesse Jackson brokered the deal?

The thing is, I cannot find one thing about it on the Internet!

Has this been "disappeared"?

Did anyone else see this? Link?

http://argentina.indymedia.org/news/2005/08/322037.php

spookybuster
09-01-2005, 05:25 PM
http://img24.photobucket.com/albums/v73/jpmeineke/Bush_Golf.jpg

"What's a hurrahkane?"

atomicscissors
09-01-2005, 06:20 PM
This is all just distracting us from the real issues. Gays are getting married people! That shit is gross!

spookybuster
09-01-2005, 06:30 PM
Fuck the gays, they deserve the same doom as everybody else.

Garlic
09-01-2005, 07:22 PM
http://www.blackfilm.com/i3/movies/d/dawnofthedead/004.jpg
yea for dawn of the dead!!

http://moynihaninstitute.org/images/redneck.jpg
he's not going to share his sandwiches :(

Shaftoe
09-01-2005, 07:36 PM
I give Mayor Nagin props for his conduct both before and during this catastrophe.

Iago
09-01-2005, 07:39 PM
Who's a CNN whore?

onomatoPia
09-01-2005, 07:53 PM
Dear God, what a disaster this is. And I think there simply has to be more than a mere coincidence in the fact that we have had now three of these disasters this year: the gulf states, the tsunami and the floods in India.

But I just don't get a couple of things. New Orleans is, I gather, located beneath sea level which is surely just asking for trouble but hey the same applies to Amsterdam. Even with massive levies, there are any number of scenarios in which even the biggest levies could break, earthquake, terrorist attack, hurricane etc... Why on earth was there no worst case scenario evacuation plan in place? And why didn't more people evacuate when they were told to?

YelloKitty
09-01-2005, 08:07 PM
Originally posted by onomatoPia
And why didn't more people evacuate when they were told to?
http://www.boingboing.net/2005/08/30/email_attributed_to_.html
The evacuation plan was strictly laissez-faire. It depended on privately owned vehicles, and on having ready cash to fund an evacuation. The planners knew full well that the poor, who in new orleans are overwhelmingly black, wouldn't be able to get out. The resources -- meaning, the political will -- weren't there to get them out.
White per capita income in Orleans parish, 2000 census: $31,971. Black per capita: $11,332. Median *household* income in B.W. Cooper (Calliope) Housing Projects, 2000: $13,263.

onomatoPia
09-01-2005, 08:32 PM
That's one internet opinion. There will no doubt be plenty of others. I've already seen the score of claims that the levies broke because funds had been diverted to Iraq. Everyone is going to use this disaster to push whatever agenda they have: racism, anti-war etc...

I want to know firstly, in a city which lives below sea level, what warning system was in place because there simply had to be one. And secondly, what evacuation plan was in place. Whatever it was, it appears to have been grossly inadequate. Those levies breaking is a far more feasible scenario than two planes flying into the Twin Towers.

There must have been warnings on radio, television etc... You would assume that if those stranded had any inkling what was about to happen, they would have walked out of town. And pushed their invalid grandmothers in shopping trolleys. Didn't they take the warnings seriously?

Robocon^^
09-01-2005, 08:39 PM
Here's a report on how evacuation efforts went last year when Ivan threatened.

http://www2.chinadaily.com.cn/english/doc/2004-09/15/content_374795.htm

spookybuster
09-01-2005, 08:47 PM
http://www.chud.com/graphics6/28DL2.jpg
http://www.cinenews.gr/images/28DaysLater_image.jpg

golivar
09-01-2005, 09:53 PM
imagine if the chemicals and pollutants in the water, combined with some new orleans voodoo spirits, created a horde of rampaging zombies taking over the city. now THAT would be gnarly.

charlos3000
09-01-2005, 09:59 PM
Originally posted by 'jim


http://argentina.indymedia.org/news/2005/08/322037.php

And what's jesse helms and the 700 club doing?

i know pat robertson's got "Operation Blessing", i'm waiting for the 700 club to come up with "Operation Assasinate 66,000 bls of S. American Oil...Oops, i mean i was just kidding"

spookybuster
09-01-2005, 10:23 PM
Originally posted by golivar
imagine if the chemicals and pollutants in the water, combined with some new orleans voodoo spirits, created a horde of rampaging zombies taking over the city. now THAT would be gnarly.

http://www.tmc.com/jpg/GG.gif

charlos3000
09-01-2005, 10:56 PM
it's not so much the chemicals as it is the bacteria and viruses infiltrating the flood water from NO's failing wastewater infrastructure that poses the greatest threat to public health in the area. Well, aside from the bullets, guns, and rioters.

YelloKitty
09-01-2005, 10:58 PM
are the cemetaries submerged too?

slackerbot
09-01-2005, 11:14 PM
http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/nation/la-090105katrina-pg,0,510796.photogallery?coll=la-home-headlines&index=9

Many of the cemeteries in New Orleans are flooded, and in some cases the crypts have come open during the storm.
(Carolyn Cole / LAT)
September 2, 2005

http://www.latimes.com/media/photo/2005-09/19261073.jpg

http://www.latimes.com/media/photo/2005-09/19261556.jpg

slackerbot
09-01-2005, 11:17 PM
A body floats in floodwaters in New Orleans. The death toll in the city is estimated to be in the thousands. (AFP/Getty Images)

http://www.latimes.com/media/thumbnails/photo/2005-09/19258383.jpg

YelloKitty
09-01-2005, 11:39 PM
shit

Batsu
09-01-2005, 11:41 PM
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/4204754.stm

US President George Bush has admitted there is "frustration" at the speed of the relief effort following Hurricane Katrina's hit on the Gulf Coast.
"I fully understand people wanting things to have happened yesterday. I mean I understand the anxiety of people on the ground... So there is frustration but I want people to know there's a lot of help coming," he said in an interview with ABC television.

He said the operation being mounted was one of the biggest in US history, and inevitably took time to get under way.

"I don't think anybody anticipated the breach of the levees. They did appreciate a serious storm but these levees got breached and as a result much of New Orleans is flooded and now we're having to deal with it and will," he said.

"There's a lot of food on its way, a lot of water on the way and there's a lot of boats and choppers headed that way... it just takes a while to float them."

'Obliterated'

Mr Bush said there was no figure yet for the number who had died in the hurricane and its aftermath, "but it's obviously going to be a lot".

"We do know that the storm has just blasted the Gulf coast - rural Mississippi and coastal Mississippi - much of it has been obliterated and obviously downtown New Orleans is flooded and so we're trying to get a handle on it. Our first priority of course is the search and rescue," he said.

He condemned the looting reported across New Orleans, saying: "I think there ought to be zero tolerance of people breaking the law during an emergency such as this, whether it be looting, or price gouging at the gasoline pump, or taking advantage of charitable giving, or insurance fraud.


"If people need water and food, we're going to do everything we can to get them water and food.

"But... it's very important for the citizens in all affected areas to take personal responsibility and assume a civic sense of responsibility, so that the situation doesn't get out of hand, so people don't exploit the vulnerable."

'Compassion'

The president described his feelings as he flew over the flood scene.

"The devastation that I saw was very emotional, I mean I cannot describe to you what it looks like to see entire neighbourhoods under water or right down the coast in Mississippi to see little communities completely obliterated.


Mr Bush dismissed criticism that he had been slow in responding to the unfolding disaster, and had not yet set foot on the ground.

"I hope people don't play politics during this period of time," he said.

"There'll be ample time for politics. But now's the time to focus attention, our compassion and our resources on helping people who need help".

He said he wanted to go to the scene but did not want to disrupt the emergency operation.

He insisted that New Orleans would be rebuilt in time.

"There's no doubt in my mind as I sit here talking to you that New Orleans is going to rise up again as a great city," he said.

Story from BBC NEWS:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/go/pr/fr/-/1/hi/world/americas/4204754.stm

Published: 2005/09/01 12:55:32 GMT

© BBC MMV

nauism
09-01-2005, 11:43 PM
Originally posted by onomatoPia
There must have been warnings on radio, television etc... You would assume that if those stranded had any inkling what was about to happen, they would have walked out of town. And pushed their invalid grandmothers in shopping trolleys. Didn't they take the warnings seriously?

I think most of these people just didn't have any place to go or access to any type of transportation (car or money for bus). How realistic is it to have your grandma in a shopping cart on the side of the freeway trying to out-run a hurricaine?

Hindsight is 20/20.

ahumanbean
09-01-2005, 11:43 PM
The floating-body picture above is amazing. Not to minimize the sadness of that victim, the woman and dog at the right side are also very telling. I've never seen that posture on a dog before--especially considering that it looks like the woman is making a plate of food and water for the dog!

Ted Koppel reports that the United Nations has extended the U.S. an offer for both aid and expertise--and so far no response from the U.S.

PS TK was refreshingly vigorous with his interview of the FEMA guy. He also spoke in clear terms about what the massive poverty in New Orleans means with regard to people not evacuating, and went so far as to specifically accuse the government, in its emergency preparedness plans, of deliberately leaving the poor behind to die. Hope he inspired other journalists to follow his lead, and get even tougher. Diane Sawyer's morning interview with Bush was very frustrating--obviously only approved questions and no follow-ups allowed.

nauism
09-01-2005, 11:47 PM
Originally posted by onomatoPia
I want to know firstly, in a city which lives below sea level, what warning system was in place because there simply had to be one. And secondly, what evacuation plan was in place. Whatever it was, it appears to have been grossly inadequate. Those levies breaking is a far more feasible scenario than two planes flying into the Twin Towers.

I'd be interested to know to. Can you post whatever info you come up with?

YelloKitty
09-01-2005, 11:51 PM
Originally posted by ahumanbean
Diane Sawyer's morning interview with Bush was very frustrating--obviously only approved questions and no follow-ups allowed.
if i were her, i would have asked him about his golf game and told him to wipe that smarmy grin off his face as he said "I don't think anybody anticipated the breach of the levees"

ahumanbean
09-01-2005, 11:51 PM
Old TV program about New Orleans' doom:

http://www.pbs.org/now/transcript/transcript_neworleans.html

I also heard that the deluge of New Orleans was in the top three of someone's list of three most likely catastrophes to occur in the U.S. I'm scared to ask, but wonder what the other two are?

nauism
09-01-2005, 11:57 PM
^ Yeah, that would be FEMA.

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2005/09/02/FEDS.TMP

"In 2001, a FEMA report ranked hurricane damage to New Orleans as one of the three most likely catastrophes facing the country (the other two were a terrorist attack on New York City and an earthquake in San Francisco)."

...

Not sure why FEMA is catching all this heat. It's the Department of Homeland Defense that is in charge of FEMA.

ahumanbean
09-02-2005, 12:01 AM
Originally posted by nauism
Not sure why FEMA is catching all this heat. It's the Department of Homeland Defense that is in charge of FEMA.

Ted Koppel apologized to the FEMA guy for this, but said it was because he was "the only one who would come forward and take his medicine."

Tough words, relatively speaking.

nauism
09-02-2005, 12:14 AM
Originally posted by ahumanbean


Ted Koppel apologized to the FEMA guy for this, but said it was because he was "the only one who would come forward and take his medicine."

Tough words, relatively speaking.

Yeah.

Homeland Security chief Michael Chertoff...that's the guy who should be interviewed.

nauism
09-02-2005, 12:22 AM
Originally posted by ocd
Yup, after he found out that the city was destroyed he played a round of golf in Arizona.

I want a reporter to ask him what he shot. I would love that. Hell, I'd torpedo my reporting career to ask that if I had the chance.

"it's also important for me to go on with my life."

stinky
09-02-2005, 01:02 AM
Originally posted by slackerbot
http://abclocal.go.com/kabc/story?section=local&id=3397696

TO DONATE CASH:


Operation Blessing
(800) 436-6348



FYI this is Pat Robertson's group.

nauism
09-02-2005, 02:35 AM
Pat Robertson is a dispensationalist.

stinky
09-02-2005, 02:39 AM
The Superdome, where some 25,000 people were being evacuated by bus to the Houston Astrodome, descended into chaos as well.

Huge crowds, hoping to finally escape the stifling confines of the stadium, jammed the main concourse outside the dome, spilling out over the ramp to the Hyatt hotel next door -- a seething sea of tense, unhappy, people packed shoulder-to-shoulder up to the barricades where heavily armed National Guardsmen stood.

At the front of the line, heavily armed policemen and guardsmen stood watch and handed out water as tense and exhausted crowds struggled onto buses. At the back end of the line, people jammed against police barricades in the rain. Luggage, bags of clothes, pillows, blankets were strewn in the puddles.

Many people had dogs and they cannot take them on the bus. A police officer took one from a little boy, who cried until he vomited. "Snowball, snowball,íí he cried. The policeman told a reporter he didnít know what would happen to the dog.


http://www.zwire.com/site/news.cfm?newsid=15143620&BRD=1697&PAG=461&dept_id=44551&rfi=6

:(

nauism
09-02-2005, 02:47 AM
Hey stinky, I posted this earlier today. Just thought you might find it informative.

Originally posted by nauism


Not sure if this was already posted;

http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/nation/la-na-superdome1sep01,0,4489032.story?coll=la-home-nation

"Trapped in an Arena of Suffering

We are like animals,' a mother says inside the Louisiana Superdome, where hope and supplies are sparse.

By Scott Gold, Times Staff Writer

NEW ORLEANS ó A 2-year-old girl slept in a pool of urine. Crack vials littered a restroom. Blood stained the walls next to vending machines smashed by teenagers.

The Louisiana Superdome, once a mighty testament to architecture and ingenuity, became the biggest storm shelter in New Orleans the day before Katrina's arrival Monday. About 16,000 people eventually settled in.

By Wednesday, it had degenerated into horror. A few hundred people were evacuated from the arena Wednesday, and buses will take away the vast majority of refugees today.

"We pee on the floor. We are like animals," said Taffany Smith, 25, as she cradled her 3-week-old son, Terry. In her right hand she carried a half-full bottle of formula provided by rescuers. Baby supplies are running low; one mother said she was given two diapers and told to scrape them off when they got dirty and use them again.

At least two people, including a child, have been raped. At least three people have died, including one man who jumped 50 feet to his death, saying he had nothing left to live for.

..."

stinky
09-02-2005, 02:54 AM
yeah i read that one too. i have been reading too much about all this.

nauism
09-02-2005, 02:58 AM
Yeah.

:(

Iago
09-02-2005, 04:14 AM
Originally posted by stinky
Many people had dogs and they cannot take them on the bus. A police officer took one from a little boy, who cried until he vomited. "Snowball, snowball,íí he cried. The policeman told a reporter he didnít know what would happen to the dog.


Ingrid Newkirk and Peta's task force to the fucking rescue. Yeah right.

http://www.helpinganimals.com/images/180-disasteranimals.jpg

ahumanbean
09-02-2005, 05:13 AM
Survivors?

http://www.kreweofbacchus.org/html/index.htm

White Gator:

http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y254/Tribute_Photos/3a92306e.jpg


Queen Kong, King Kong, Baby Kong:
http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y254/Tribute_Photos/4a84928e.jpg http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y254/Tribute_Photos/0ff664dc.jpg http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y254/Tribute_Photos/7de65c7d.jpg

King Henry Winkler, 1977:

http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y254/Tribute_Photos/0747ba47.jpg


Cyclops:

http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y254/Tribute_Photos/6997f689.jpg

likeothers
09-02-2005, 06:17 AM
as for global warming as the primary cause, here's one climate scientist's opinion on the matter.

http://climatesci.atmos.colostate.edu/?p=44

Is the Destruction from Hurricane Katrina due to Global Warming?
Filed under: Vulnerability Paradigm ó Roger Pielke Sr. @ 9:00 pm

The catastrophic destruction that has occurred in the central Gulf coast of the United States due to Hurricane Katrina is occupying our thoughts. This calamity will consume enormous time and cost to recover from and to provide as much protection as possible from the inevitable next hurricane of this magnitude in this region and elsewhere. This is a sad time.

However, little time has passed before the disaster is being blamed by some of the media on global warming (see, for example, articles in The Belfast Telegraph and the Los Angeles Times. This narrow perspective completely misses the real reason for this disaster. As we, and others, have discussed (see Pielke, R.A. Sr., 2000: Discussion Forum: A broader perspective on climate change is needed and Pielke Jr. et al. 2005: Hurricanes and global warming), the significant risks are due to crossing thresholds in our vulnerability to environmental threats of all types. In this case, construction of towns on the immediate coastline and of a city below sea level (New Orleans) makes these regions particularly vulnerable to hurricanes. In the book,

Pielke, R.A., Jr. and R.A. Pielke, Sr., 1997: Hurricanes: Their nature and impacts on society. John Wiley and Sons, England, 279 pp.

the exposure of the coastal population to hurricanes in the eastern United States is clear (see Figure 2.8 (d) on page 52), with New Orleans clearly at risk. What this figure also shows is that other urban areas along the Gulf and Atlantic coasts have also become increasingly vulnerable as population grows, and, therefore, infrastructure development accelerates.

Even with respect to global warming, its reasons for occurring over the past several decades, while predominately due to humans (see our Climate Science post of August 29th), is not predominately due to the increase in the atmospheric concentrations of carbon dioxide, nor is global warming the more significant way humans are altering the climate system (see our Climate Science post of July28th What is the Importance to Climate of Heterogeneous Spatial Trends in Tropospheric Temperatures?). The media have almost universally ignored an accurate description of the spectrum of human forcings on climate as presented in the National Research Council 2005 report.

Thus the advocates of blaming global warming erroneously assume that carbon dioxide emissions are the main cause of this disaster, but miss the other human caused global warming forcings that we summarized in our August 29th blog. They miss that other climate change effects, both due to natural and human- caused influences, such as atmospheric and ocean circulation changes due to spatially heterogeneous climate forcings such as landscape changes and aerosol emissions, have a greater effect than the relatively small magnitude of global warming that has actually been documented (see Pielke and Christy 2005)

The media fail to recognize that climate is complex and involves numerous natural and human climate forcings and feedbacks. To focus on the radiative warming forcing of carbon dioxide shows a complete misunderstanding of the climate system. We recommend they read the 2005 National Research Council report . They also need to understand that we cannot rely on even the complete description of climate change to understand our vulnerability to hurricanes and other weather events. We need to focus on an integrated assessment of the vulnerability of specific societal and environmental resources, (such as an urban center) to the entire spectrum of risks (see Table E.7 in Pielke, R.A. Sr., and L. Bravo de Guenni, 2004, for a summary of the vulnerability perspective as contrasted with using climate models to define risk).

Thus the answer to the question posed in this blog, is that we cannot attribute this disaster to global warming, or even climate change. It is a human-caused disaster resulting from decisions made as to where to locate our population and commerce, without enough protection to avoid inevitable catastrophic consequences.

nikel
09-02-2005, 06:58 AM
No one's talked about Governor Blanco. Is she to blame for anything?

ironmonqui
09-02-2005, 07:45 AM
There are many easy ways to donate online, especially if you already have a paypal or amazon account:

www.amazon.com/gp/philanthropy/red-cross.html

www.paypal.com

Heck, do both! You can spare a *couple bucks* on your credit card...

Or directly:

the Red Cross (http://store.yahoo.com/redcross-donate2/)

United Way (http://national.unitedway.org/)

Iago
09-02-2005, 07:50 AM
FUCK THE HUMANS. ANIMAL RIGHTS NOW!!!111

https://ebiz.isiservices.com/peta-e/peta/donation.asp?section_code=I03A3B0A

SDP
09-02-2005, 07:51 AM
I love pita myself. With hummus, maybe.

ironmonqui
09-02-2005, 07:52 AM
http://national.unitedway.org/images/pod1_top_prm.jpg
"Eh heh. It's *hard work*. we uh, gotta lotta hard *work* ta do. It's just *hard.*"


I think he said that about his homework in kindergarten, effing crybaby...

SDP
09-02-2005, 07:57 AM
He's always talking about hard it is! I think he's bragging...

ocd
09-02-2005, 07:57 AM
Originally posted by nauism


I think most of these people just didn't have any place to go or access to any type of transportation (car or money for bus). How realistic is it to have your grandma in a shopping cart on the side of the freeway trying to out-run a hurricaine?

Hindsight is 20/20. There were no buses. Greyhound shut down service on Saturday. There were no trains. Amtrak shut down service on Saturday. There were no rental cars. They were booked solid. There was no way out.

ocd
09-02-2005, 08:01 AM
Originally posted by nikel
No one's talked about Governor Blanco. Is she to blame for anything? She's been pleading for inter-state aid from National Guard and just about anybody since Saturday. I'm sure she could have done more, but anything on this scale can't really be managed by anybody but the federal gov't.

charlos3000
09-02-2005, 08:10 AM
Originally posted by ocd
There were no buses. Greyhound shut down service on Saturday. There were no trains. Amtrak shut down service on Saturday. There were no rental cars. They were booked solid. There was no way out.

I thought i heard of some sort of city sponsored bussing program in the days leading up to the storm--not that it was actually happening, and on what scale, but it's a shame b/c i don't think anyone expected it to be this bad, even if all the signs pointed that direction.

I think that the local authorities just didn't ahve the resources to get everyone out, coupled w/ everyone thinking that it would be bad, but not this bad.

stryfe
09-02-2005, 08:16 AM
Originally posted by Robocon^^
Here's a report on how evacuation efforts went last year when Ivan threatened.

http://www2.chinadaily.com.cn/english/doc/2004-09/15/content_374795.htm
"Nagin said he would "aggressively recommend" people evacuate, but that it would be difficult to order them to, because at least 100,000 in the city rely on public transportation and have no way to leave.

"They say evacuate, but they don't say how I'm supposed to do that," said Latonya Hill, 57, who lives on a disability check and money she picks up cleaning houses or baby sitting. "If I can't walk it or get there on the bus, I don't go. I don't got a car. My daughter don't either.""

stryfe
09-02-2005, 08:18 AM
Originally posted by ahumanbean
The floating-body picture above is amazing. Not to minimize the sadness of that victim, the woman and dog at the right side are also very telling. I've never seen that posture on a dog before--especially considering that it looks like the woman is making a plate of food and water for the dog!
she may not have seen the body floating by.

syon
09-02-2005, 08:26 AM
Now what we need to make this thing even more apocalyptic are a couple of potentially toxic explosions at chemical factory near the riverfront. ... oh, wait.
http://newsimg.bbc.co.uk/media/images/40756000/jpg/_40756578_fire_ap203b.jpg


Also, I think this is the same guy who was pictured above
http://news.bbc.co.uk/nol/shared/spl/hi/pop_ups/05/americas_new_orleans_lawlessness/img/1.jpg

ocd
09-02-2005, 08:29 AM
^The ugly woman line is actually kinda funny.


And on top of it all, this happened at the end of the month, right? Paychecks come on either the first or a friday for most of the poor. No money to leave or stock up on supplies, unless you were lucky enough to get on one of the free buses out.

Iago
09-02-2005, 08:31 AM
A big dog, an ugly woman, 2 shot guns, and a claw hammer. This guy's pretty damn kinky.

SDP
09-02-2005, 08:31 AM
He should talk...

(I mean the guy in the pic, not Iagster)

BAOH
09-02-2005, 08:45 AM
now would be a perfect time for the commies to announce a comeback tour!

communisim.....the fresh maker.

ocd
09-02-2005, 08:48 AM
http://www.republicangear.com/stop%20the%20ACLU.gif

from: http://www.republicangear.com/HomePage.html

:rolleyes:

ocd
09-02-2005, 09:04 AM
RAY NAGIN, MAYOR OF NEW ORLEANS: I told him we had an
incredible crisis here and that his flying over in Air Force One does not do it
justice. And that I have been all around this city, and I am very
frustrated because we are not able to marshal resources and we're
out-manned in just about every respect.

You know the reason why the looters got out of control? Because
we had most of our resources saving people, thousands of people that were stuck
in attics, man, old ladies. When you pull off the doggone ventilator
vent and you look down there and they're standing in there in water up
to their freaking necks.

And they don't have a clue what's going on down here. They flew
down here one time two days after the doggone event was over with TV cameras,
AP reporters, all kind of goddamn -- excuse my French everybody in
America, but I am pissed.

GARLAND ROBINETTE, WWL CORRESPONDENT: Did you say to the
president of the United States, "I need the military in here"?

NAGIN: I said, "I need everything."

Now, I will tell you this -- and I give the president some
credit on this -- he sent one John Wayne dude down here that can get some stuff
done, and his name is General Honore.

And he came off the doggone chopper and he started cussing and
people started moving. And he's getting some stuff done.

They ought to give that guy -- if they don't want to give it to
me, give him full authority to get the job done, and we can save some
people.

ROBINETTE: What do you need right now to get control of this
situation?

NAGIN: I need reinforcements, I need troops, man. I need 500
buses,
man. We ain't talking about -- you know, one of the briefings we had,
they were talking about getting public school bus drivers to come down
here and bus people out here.

I'm like, "You got to be kidding me. This is a national
disaster. Get
every doggone Greyhound busline in the country and get their asses
moving to New Orleans."

That's -- they're thinking small, man. And this is a major,
major,
major deal. And I can't emphasize it enough, man. This is crazy.

I've got 15,000 to 20,000 people over at the convention center.
It's
bursting at the seams. The poor people in Plaquemines Parish. They're
air-vacing people over here in New Orleans. We don't have anything and
we're sharing with our brothers in Plaquemines Parish.

It's awful down here, man.

ROBINETTE: Do you believe that the president is seeing this,
holding a
news conference on it but can't do anything until Kathleen Blanco
requested him to do it? And do you know whether or not she has made
that request? NAGIN: I have no idea what they're doing. But I
will tell you this: You know, God is looking down on all this and if
they are not doing everything in their power to save people they are
going to pay the price. Because every day that we delay, people are
dying and they're dying by the hundreds, I'm willing to bet you.

We're getting reports and calls that are breaking my heart, from
people
saying, "I've been in my attic. I can't take it anymore. The water is
up to my neck. I don't think I can hold out." And that's happening as
we speak.

You know what really upsets me, Garland? We told everybody the
importance of the 17th Street Canal issue. We said, "Please, please
take care of this. We don't care what you do. Figure it out."

ROBINETTE: Who'd you say that to?

NAGIN: Everybody: the governor, Homeland Security, FEMA. You
name
it, we said it.

And they allowed that pumping station next to Pumping Station 6
to go
under water. Our sewage and water board people -- Marcia St. Martin
(ph) -- stayed there and endangered their lives.

And what happened when that pumping station went down, the water

started flowing again in the city and it starting getting to levels that

probably killed more people.

In addition to that, we had water flowing through the pipes in
the
city. That's a power station over there.

So there's no water flowing anywhere on the east bank of Orleans

Parish. So our critical water supply was destroyed because of lack of
action.

ROBINETTE: Why couldn't they drop the 3,000-pound sandbags or
the
containers that they were talking about earlier? Was it an engineering
feat that just couldn't be done?

NAGIN: They said it was some pulleys that they had to
manufacture.
But, you know, in a state of emergency, man, you are creative, you
figure out ways to get stuff done.

Then they told me that they went overnight and they built 17
concrete
structures and they had the pulleys on them and they were going to drop
them.

I flew over that thing yesterday and it's in the same shape that
it was
after the storm hit. There is nothing happening. And they're feeding
the public a line of bull and they're spinning, and people are dying
down here.

ROBINETTE: If some of the public called and they're right, that

there's a law that the president, that the federal government can't do
anything without local or state requests, would you request martial law?

NAGIN: I've already called for martial law in the city of New
Orleans. We did that a few days ago.

ROBINETTE: Did the governor do that, too?

ocd
09-02-2005, 09:04 AM
NAGIN: I don't know. I don't think so.

But we called for martial law when we realized that the looting
was
getting out of control. And we redirected all of our police officers
back to patrolling the streets. They were dead-tired from saving people

but they worked all night because we thought this thing was going to
blow wide open last night. And so we redirected all of our resources
and we hold it under check.

I'm not sure if we can do that another night with the current
resources.

And I am telling you right now: They're showing all these
reports of
people looting and doing all that weird stuff, and they are doing that,
but people are desperate and they're trying to find food and water, the
majority of them.

Now, you got some knuckleheads out there and they are taking
advantage
of this lawless -- this situation where, you know, we can't really
control it, and they're doing some awful, awful things. But that's a
small majority of the people. Most people are looking to try and
survive.

And one of the things people -- nobody's talked about this.
Drugs
flowed in and out of New Orleans and the surrounding metropolitan area
so freely it was scary to me, and that's why we were having the
escalation in murders. People don't want to talk about this, but I'm
going to talk about it.

You have drug addicts that are now walking around this city
looking for
a fix, and that's that reason why they were breaking in hospitals and
drug stores. They're looking for something to take the edge off of
their jones, if you will.

And right now, they don't have anything to take the edge off.
And they've probably found guns. So what you're seeing is drug- starving
crazy addicts, drug addicts, that are wrecking havoc. And we don't have

the manpower to adequately deal with it. We can only target certain
sections of the city and form a perimeter around them and hope to God
that we're not overrun.

ROBINETTE: Well, you and I must be in the minority. Because
apparently there's a section of our citizenry out there that thinks
because of a law that says the federal government can't come in unless
requested by the proper people, that everything that's going on to this
point has been done as good as it can possibly be.

NAGIN: Really?

ROBINETTE: I know you don't feel that way.

NAGIN: Well, did the tsunami victims request? Did it go
through a formal process to request?

You know, did the Iraqi people request that we go in there? Did
they ask us to go in there?

What is more important?

And I'll tell you, man, I'm probably going get in a whole bunch
of trouble. I'm probably going to get in so much trouble it ain't even
funny. You probably won't even want to deal with me after this
interview is over.

ROBINETTE: You and I will be in the funny place together.

NAGIN: But we authorized $8 billion to go to Iraq
lickety-quick. After 9/11, we gave the president unprecedented powers lickety-quick to take
care of New York and other places.

Now, you mean to tell me that a place where most of your oil is coming
through, a place that is so unique when you mention New Orleans anywhere

around the world, everybody's eyes light up -- you mean to tell me that
a place where you probably have thousands of people that have died and
thousands more that are dying every day, that we can't figure out a way
to authorize the resources that we need? Come on, man.

You know, I'm not one of those drug addicts. I am thinking very
clearly.

And I don't know whose problem it is. I don't know whether it's
the governor's problem. I don't know whether it's the president's problem,
but somebody need to get their ass on a plane and sit down, the two of
them, and figure this out right now.

ROBINETTE: What can we do here?

NAGIN: Keep talking about it.

ROBINETTE: We'll do that. What else can we do?

NAGIN: Organize people to write letters and make calls to their
congressmen, to the president, to the governor. Flood their doggone
offices with requests to do something.

This is ridiculous.

I don't want to see anybody do anymore goddamn press
conferences. Put a moratorium on press conferences. Don't do another press conference
until the resources are in this city. And then come down to this city
and stand with us when there are military trucks and troops that we
can't even count.

Don't tell me 40,000 people are coming here. They're not here.
It's
too doggone late.

Now get off your asses and do something, and let's fix the
biggest
goddamn crisis in the history of this country. ROBINETTE: I'll say

it right now, you're the only politician that's called and called for
arms like this. And if -- whatever it takes, the governor, president --

whatever law precedent it takes, whatever it takes, I bet that the
people listening to you are on your side.

NAGIN: Well, I hope so, Garland. I am just -- I'm at the point
now where it don't matter. People are dying. They don't have homes. They
don't have jobs. The city of New Orleans will never be the same in this
time.

ROBINETTE: We're both pretty speechless here.

NAGIN: Yeah, I don't know what to say.

I got to go.

ROBINETTE: OK. Keep in touch. Keep in touch.

09-02-2005, 09:17 AM
"You know, did the Iraqi people request that we go in there? Did they ask us to go in there?"

burninated

ocd
09-02-2005, 09:23 AM
Unfortunately, even if this is widely published, the Iraq comment will be totally twisted by the right, and the rest of the desparation and proof that nobody else is doing jack shit compared to what's needed could be overlooked. This mayor's pissed the fuck off and with good reason.

charlos3000
09-02-2005, 09:27 AM
fuckin A, it's refreshing to see someone who knows speak their goddamn mind instead of giving us the chertoff handjob.

FDM
09-02-2005, 09:28 AM
hah, just watched the "special report" on the news which consisted nothing more than g.dub hugging and consoling some poor minority lady who lost her house.

just more PR bullshit. no real help, just the illusion of help.

MUNTU MEANS PROGRESS.

charlos3000
09-02-2005, 09:31 AM
i wanna see GWB take his ass to the Convention Center holding a box of polish spring and some bread.

I wanna see his ass walk through the piles of filth, dead bodies. i want him to smell for 15 minutes what it was like to live there for 3 days, while he gave press conferences, golfed, and made some phone calls.

ocd
09-02-2005, 09:34 AM
I wish that just once he'd do his fucking job.

FDM
09-02-2005, 09:35 AM
poLAND spring, dood.

also interesting to note that he was actually in biloxi MS, not NOLA. i guess NOLA's action was a little too hardcore for g.dub.....

charlos3000
09-02-2005, 09:40 AM
George:

How much freedom did the money you diverted from SELA
and the hundreds of other domestic programs you've
gutted buy the Iraqi's? How many suicide bombs could
that money have stopped in Baghdad? how many lives
saved? more than the ones lost in New Orleans?

To hear you mutter the word "Levee" makes my sick to
my stomach. You owe us an accounting for this massive
failure. You owe New Orleans an accounting for your
incompetence.

thank you for destroying my faith in FEMA, homeland
security, & your government. Were my city to be struck
by some sort of disaster it's good to know that I can
in no way trust my government.

charles
los angeles, ca

p.s.-By the way, how was Golf on WEDNESDAY?
considering you played golf while thousands of
americans were being raped, beaten, killed, and
festering in their own filth it must have been one
hell of a round.

p.p.s. don't bother flipping me the bird, and give
your poor staffers a break. they disagree with you b/c
you're a moron and a bully. if flipping them off is
the most mature response you've got to your own
shortcomings, i can't wait to see what your
presidential library will look like.

charlos3000
09-02-2005, 09:41 AM
not sure if everyone gets this automated response, or if only select, angry people that are now on a watchlist:

On behalf of President Bush, thank you for your correspondence.
In the aftermath of Hurricane Katrina, President Bush and all
Americans send their thoughts and prayers to the families of
those who have lost lives and to all those affected by this
natural disaster.

The President is directing Federal agencies throughout the
government to do all in their power to assist the victims of
Hurricane Katrina. The top priority is to save and sustain lives.
President Bush established a White House task force to oversee
Hurricane Katrina response and recovery, and he convened a Cabinet
meeting to ensure that Federal agencies' efforts are timely and
fully coordinated. Residents of the Gulf Coast states affected by
the hurricane have lost loved ones, lost homes, and been displaced
from their communities, and they will have the full support of the
Federal government.

The President has called for the coordination of all parties
involved in the response and relief efforts. Federal, state, and
local governments are working side-by-side to deliver relief to
the areas physically damaged by Hurricane Katrina and to
communities across the South that will be affected in the aftermath
of the storm. Efforts and resources are focused on saving lives,
sustaining lives, and supporting long-term recovery. For
information and guidance you may wish to visit the FEMA website at
www.fema.gov or call 800-621-3362 or 800-621-FEMA.

The President has called on all Americans to support the relief and
rescue efforts through charitable contributions and aid. Americans
who wish to contribute can do so by contacting charities that are
assisting with hurricane relief. For more information on relief
and recovery efforts, please visit the USAFreedom Corps website at
www.usafreedomcorps.gov.

Thank you again for taking the time to write.

FDM
09-02-2005, 09:44 AM
hahaha, dear god i hate rich white people.

Iago
09-02-2005, 09:47 AM
I say we put these displaced New Orleans folks in Camp X-Ray, Guantanamo and found a new nation.

FDM
09-02-2005, 09:48 AM
disadvantagedminorityville

no irish allowed

ocd
09-02-2005, 09:48 AM
Haha, welcome to the terrorist watch list, Charlos! Great letter.

stryfe
09-02-2005, 09:53 AM
http://www.nola.com/specialhome/314/090205_baby.jpg

white people in trouble. please send help. surrounded by negros.

nauism
09-02-2005, 09:56 AM
Originally posted by ocd
There were no buses. Greyhound shut down service on Saturday. There were no trains. Amtrak shut down service on Saturday. There were no rental cars. They were booked solid. There was no way out.

Shit.

...

How about shopping carts? There must have been tons of shopping carts available!

I'm still shaking my head over that one.