Enterprise

[Swordsman]

Did anyone see last night pilot episode of Enterprise? I think it has promise. Scott Backula seems like a likeable captain. The Vulcan science officer, T'Pol, is smoking hot, and so is Linda Park, who plays the language specialist.

This show is definitely better than Deep Space Nine and Voyager. Whether it's comparable to the original series and Next Generation remains to be seen.

[montyburnz]

Originally posted by Swordsman
Did anyone see last night pilot episode of Enterprise? I think it has promise. Scott Backula seems like a likeable captain. The Vulcan science officer, T'Pol, is smoking hot, and so is Linda Park, who plays the language specialist.

This show is definitely better than Deep Space Nine and Voyager. Whether it's comparable to the original series and Next Generation remains to be seen.

Why do you think its better than DS9?

Well, I liked the show enough. I liked the Captain, Vulcan sci officer, and the Comm specialist too. The rest of the cast are really boring. The doctor reminded me of the Voyager's doctor in his mannerisms. The opening song is pretty lame.

[Swordsman]

I watched DS9 in the beginning, but never got into it. The characters weren't interesting enough. The writing was poor too. Although it's still early with ENTERPRISE, the concept of it is alluring: pre-Kirk and Spock, pre-Federation... I guess I'm just curious as to how they tie this in with the original series. And even though it's not overseen by Gene Roddenberry, the producers of ENTERPRISE still have to abide by certain conditions that the original series have since created.

[Ryan]

http://www.giantrobot.com/forums/showthread.php3?threadid=2702
previous thread about this and other Star trek ish

[Bacchus Ho]

The opening sequences and title song were horrendous in comparison to rest of the other series. The body of the show was very entertaining though the humans seem like the veritable knuckle-draggers on the evolutionary scale when compared to the likes of the other starfleet characters in the the Next Generation and Voyager, but I suppose they are seen in scope of how WE as humans have progressed (at least in the Star Trek Universe).

The casting is presentable at his point and to make any damaging criticisms would be premature at this point. I see that they have brought in another wonder-bra (actually Maxim magazine) model for the legions of otaku to drool over. Scott Bakula was a decent choice for Captain though I do see the flawed-human aspect in casting him as the lead. I wish they used someone a little more unknown...maybe Asian... but no TV executive producer would go for that.

[montyburnz]

Originally posted by Bacchus Ho

The casting is presentable at his point and to make any damaging criticisms would be premature at this point...I wish they used someone a little more unknown...maybe Asian... but no TV executive producer would go for that.

I agree its too soon to start criticizing the cast. Still, I liked Linda Park, the Communications Specialist, but I can see how she could become kinda annoying if she's always freaking out over things.

What Asian actor do you imagine as a Captain of the Enterprise?

Hmmm...I'd go with Cary Tagawa (Shang Tsung from Mortal Kombat.) He's had to play a lot of dorky evil characters, but I saw him talk in person and he's a really nice, interesting person so I could see him as both a badass take-charge captain and a complex character.

Can you imagine Chow Yun Fat as a Captain. He'd be double phasering Klingons in slo-mo...

[Decadent1]

<pre><font size=2 color=black>Mako? Nah, he'd be an admiral. How about Mr. Han?</pre></font size=2 color=black>

[l-train8]

On Sunday, the sci-fi channel had a Quantum Leap marathon, and I watched way too much of it. When I stopped watching, I was convinced that Enterprise would suck ass with Bakula as the captain.

After seeing the show, I have completely changed my mind. Scott Bakula doesn't suck as the captain. I am pleasantly surprised. The show has a lot of promise. It is already way better than Voyager, though it retains that shows major Trek innovation, the really hot chick.

But, like every real Trek fan, I hate the theme song. I was too stunned to laugh when I first heard it, but I think that laughter is probably the most appropriate reaction.

I like how the humans are more rough around the edges. The human race has not "advanced" into NPR-listening, lefty-liberal species that populates TNG, DS9, and Voyager. They swear, shoot first and ask questions later, and don't like being told what to do by their betters. It's a cool idea. I hope they don't run it into the ground, but use it to make some cool episodes.

[Asharak]

Did anyone still watch this show to the very end? I did.

They finally explained the Klingon forehead conundrum in one episode.

[ocd]

I got back into it for the last season or so. I think it was one of the best series, but I'm not a trekkie, so my opinion isn't worth as much. I do think the show would have been ten times as successful if they had a DIFFERENT FUCKING THEME SONG.

[Asharak]

Originally posted by ocd
I do think the show would have been ten times as successful if they had a DIFFERENT FUCKING THEME SONG.

I agree 100%.

[feralmuppet]

Originally posted by Waco Jesus
Did anyone still watch this show to the very end? I did.

They finally explained the Klingon forehead conundrum in one episode.

What's the explanation?

[stryfe]

did you guys see the evil federation uniforms?

[ocd]

^I don't remember the uniforms, but the theme song kicked ass!

[stryfe]

i'm trying to find pictures.

[ChenZan]

i saw last 15 minutes of the series finale and i thought it was awesome, how it was a hologram recording where Commander Riker and Diana troy were studying it, ect. at the end they left the holodeck, totally tron looking.

[Asharak]

Originally posted by feralmuppet


What's the explanation?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Klingons#Human-looking_Klingons

There's also a semi-related link to the Eugenics Wars which has a convoluted explanation of how they still managed to take place in the 1990's according to the Star Trek timeline.

[feralmuppet]

Thanks, Waco!

[karmyk]

I tried very hard to like this show... very hard.

I grew up watching TOS with my dad... I've watched TNG and Voyager from their first to last seasons... and I'm planning to do the same with DS9... but 95% of the times I watched Enterprise, hoping to convince myself that I actually could like the series, I got angry at myself for wasting another hour of my life on something really stupid. ><

Luckily, I've wasted many hours of my life on stupid things, so it wasn't too much of a loss.

[montyburnz]

^I didn't give the show a chance after the pilot, but looks like I didn't miss much.

Since I didn't watch the show, what do you guys think of this guys comments.

http://filmforce.ign.com/articles/613/613150p1.html

"As the ship continued to sink, having scored a fatal hit against the proverbial iceberg somewhere during the second season, Odyssey 5 creator Manny Coto was given the wheel during the fourth and final year. Coto guided the series into some of the best stories in its four year run with a couple of those stories possibly some of the best Trek in the last 10 years."

"Berman was interested in doing no less than making Star Trek his own by going back and usurping creator Gene Roddenberry's original visions with his own. The result was three years of a series that managed to insult and alienate all but the most hard core of fans, losing somewhere around ten million viewers per week in the process."

What'd they do that was so alienating?

[Hap]

A few examples come to mind:
1. Vulcans portrayed as borderline evil.
2. Romulans in story lines.
3. Time travel.
4. Evil alien Nazis.

[ironmonqui]

All it needed was more half-nude vulcan babe action...

..dancing to cowbell beats:

[tonk - tonk - tonk - tonk - tonk]

[karmyk]

The timetravel stories were very, VERY annoying.

[slackerbot]

good riddance. i saw the first two episodes and never tuned in again. the characters weren't that interesting and the story/premise of the series wasn't thought out very well. and Scott Bakula was a poor choice. he will forever be known as the Quantum Leap dude.

[AddictProne]

Originally posted by Waco Jesus


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Klingons#Human-looking_Klingons

There's also a semi-related link to the Eugenics Wars which has a convoluted explanation of how they still managed to take place in the 1990's according to the Star Trek timeline.

lol, can i tell you how much i love wikipedia?

[Denstradamus]

star trek died years ago. let it rest in peace.

[CaptainPajamaShark]

isn't the next series supposed to take place in the 29th century? that is of course assuming there will be a next series.

[stryfe]

naw. it's going to take place on the 19th century hms enterprise.

[ocd]

And Richard Marx is going to do the theme song.

[jonahlee]

I thought this last season was the best Season yet, and the build up the finale was spectacular, with the mirror episodes being some of the best of the whole series, but i thought the series finale was the worst episode of the whole show. Just awful. I didn't want to see fat Riker or old Troi, and the skipping ahead 6 years sucked. And how Trip died was awful, and stupid, as was the ending of his relationship with T'pol. What a let down.

[Liver_on_a_Stick]

I heard they were going to pitch a Star Trek show set at the academy on earth. Sortra like the OC or 90210 in space.

[Hap]

^^^ This got pitched after the episode with Wesley Crusher at the academy on TNG. Three other series have already come and gone since then so it ain't gonna happen. The time has passed.

The Paris character on Voyager was based on the ring-leader from that TNG episode. He was a slimy guy name Locarno. The writers basically re-named the character Paris because they didn't want to pay royalties to the guy who came up with Locarno.

They also killed off another person from that core group. She was a Bajoran and died on a covert mission into Cardassia.

They should have stuck with the TNG formula of exploration without the potential land mines of re-writing the past.

[jonahlee]

Trek news is saying a new movie idea is in the works already, and unfortunately it is still the same people doing it, and this will be an all new crew and ship and idea.

[Denstradamus]

Originally posted by Hap
A few examples come to mind:
1. Vulcans portrayed as borderline evil.



This isn't so bad. Afterall, this was pre-federation. it's not to hard to conceive of a time when vulcans and humans weren't always best friends.

Also wasn't the identity of the "time lords" of Enterprise the same as Spieces 47869868 (i forget the number), you know those aliens from liquid space that nearly brought the borg to extinction in voyager?

[stryfe]

plus they look asian, and we all know asians are borderline evil.

[stryfe]

Originally posted by Denstradamus
This isn't so bad. Afterall, this was pre-federation. it's not to hard to conceive of a time when vulcans and humans weren't always best friends.

Also wasn't the identity of the "time lords" of Enterprise the same as Spieces 47869868 (i forget the number), you know those aliens from liquid space that nearly brought the borg to extinction in voyager?
species 8472 and the borg?

[jonahlee]

Originally posted by stryfe
plus they look asian, and we all know asians are borderline evil. I alwasy thought they were Jewish since Leonard Nimoy is jewish, and that is where he got the Vulcan salute.

[jonahlee]

Nice shirt.

[Hap]

Originally posted by Denstradamus

This isn't so bad. Afterall, this was pre-federation. it's not to hard to conceive of a time when vulcans and humans weren't always best friends.
They built a story line where a Vulcan prophet basically changed the entire race into the pacifists they are in the later shows. But this almost seems like a reaction by the writers to the flack fans were giving them. It's like we saw these very much emotional Vulcans who hide listening outposts in monestaries to spy on other races and then people bitched. So the writers say... wait a minute... these are pre-enlightened Vulcans. Pretty convenient.

[Hap]

Originally posted by stryfe

species 8472 and the borg?

8472tians had the borg running like little bitches. I can't believe I remember this, but I think the episode was called Scorpion. Janeway had the dilemma of asking help from an adversary who could very easily turn on her at any moment.

[jonahlee]

I actually found the more emotional, more bastard vulcans much more interesting, and I particularly liked the Vulcan Ambassor (the guy who used to play the human in the Alien Nation TV series).

[Hap]

They definitely had more depth. But there weren't yo daddy's Vulcans so people didn't like it.

[jonahlee]

From seeing the mirror universe episodes I think they should either make one of those during TOS period, or just do another ship during that period, and don't have the story be so grand that it has to change the other series, but just do more exploration and finding more races. Do the show more like the original series, not as much Next Gen influenced, more of a DS9 darker tone.

Not sure if I like the idea of a new movie if it has the same creatives. Someone else should take this show over, and maybe go farther in the future, and do it darker, more like Ron Moore's new Galactica or like the big Xindi war in DS9.

[SDP]

Since the original series, the aliens have gotten too fucking...human. There was nothing in any of the new series to compare to the Horta (they looked just like the pizza we got in grade school!), the fog creature that sucked out your hemoglobin, or the giant space amoeba. The closest we got was wasp people.

If it can't get any better than Enterprise, let it die.

[SDP]

hmmm, babes...you might be onto something.