golfin-bots

[remotecontrolalligator]

who golfs? i've been golfin since i was 11. got pretty good at one point in my life. actually tried going pro while i was living in japan. i haven't played all summer, at least 5 months. this is by FAR the longest time i have ever not touched a golf club. i feel really weird. and now i have developed this weird pain in my neck. i think my golf game will suffer from it, it kinda of sucks! actually it really worries me now that i think of it. golf is/was my only way to a real successful life... geesus, the scope of this thread really took a turn,huh?

anyway, i think we need a GR golf tournament! bring your money!

[Ryan]

ive never played a round of golf in my life but i do like driving ranges once in a while, so im really ignorant on the subject matter, but i usually associate golf with being more a status thing than anything, nowadays its even become something of being a "trendy" thing to do..dont get me wrong RCA, i respect your love for the game, but i know alot of people who seem to have taken up golf as they had gotten more affluent or successful in life..its like..oh yeah got my new bimmer today, lets go to the course..huh?
but im sure to the majority of players out there its for the love of the game..my roommates go all the time, and they totally suck at it, but its more about hanging out with each other for a few hours and BSing, to me thats sounds way more inviting rather than going cuz mister bigshot and his cronies have found you worthy enough to golf with =P

[remotecontrolalligator]

how about these days? anyone?

[djbadmonkey]

i played h.s. golf. i got to be OK in college, maybe down to an 8? but nowadays i'm prob a hack. i haven't played since...march.

i'd love to play golf though. i'll prob end up givin you all my dough.

djbm

[remotecontrolalligator]

Originally posted by djbadmonkey
i played h.s. golf. i got to be OK in college, maybe down to an 8? but nowadays i'm prob a hack. i haven't played since...march.

i'd love to play golf though. i'll prob end up givin you all my dough.

djbm

awesome. i actually gave up on the sport, well not really gave up on it. drugs and partying and having no money got in the way of me taking the time to play. so i got sidetracked for the last year and a half. maybe played a whopping 6 whole rounds. but just this plast two weeks i have decided to take it serious again. it took me a couple of minutes to get my swing back, but goddamn did i get it back! its a fun ass game.

[mpyre]

I used to golf ALL the time. Went to the driving range nearly every time I went to the gym (4-5 times a week).

Then I quit cold turkey after 3 really bad golf rounds in a row. Started getting mad at myself. Then my buddies were getting annoying and taking the game too seriously. Plus, it was tough getting up before 6 am on weekends.

I'll return to the game when I get older and more patient.

Nowadays, my buddies call about after 3pm on their golfin days and I meet them afterwards for lunch or any happenings.

Maybe I'm hoping by going cold turkey, I can relearn my swing and do it properly (I even took 3 semesters of golf at a nearby JC just to get help).

Love Golf. Hate Golf.

[nikel]

i took lessons in junior high and lived near a course, so until graduating from h.s. i went to the range at least once a week and played 9 or 18 holes here and there. like piano lessons, it's one of those things i appreciate knowing how to do after the fact and suffering. my mom and other much-better players have said i have a decent swing; unfortunately, function doesn't follow form in my case. never got better than about 100 on 18 holes.

[falcor]

ack!
i can do mini golf and driving range. at the driving range it takes me about 10 tries before i actually hit the ball (picture me swinging really hard and spinning around a bunch of times, getting more and more pissed off as each swing goes by) ... but then i can get some pretty good ones out there.

[falcor]

p.s. how bout a game of drunken golf cart polo? hahahaha....

[Margin Walker]

Originally posted by Ryan
i usually associate golf with being more a status thing than anything, nowadays its even become something of being a "trendy" thing to do..dont get me wrong RCA, i respect your love for the game, but i know alot of people who seem to have taken up golf as they had gotten more affluent or successful in life..its like..oh yeah got my new bimmer today, lets go to the course..huh?

I'm with George Carlin when he says to give all of the Golf courses to the homeless to camp out on because it's an elitist, not to mention boring, sport. Moreover, it's bad for my back (golf, like tennis, is NOT for tall people), too expensive and frustrating. It's like, if I suck at mini-golf, why spend more money to walk even farther and suck even more?

Now and again, I'll play frisbee golf (hey, quit laughin'!). There are 2 free courses here in Madison and I've got enough discs to play a halfway sucky game, so it's an OK time for me. Believe me, if there was ever a cable channel called The Stoner Network, frisbee golf would be on--all. the. time.

[falcor]

golf is incredibly boring to watch...but it's fun to hit things.
it's only natural that golf is elitist - you usually need to belong to a semi-exclusive (elitist) country club to play on a course.

[m1]

i'm down to play some "best-ball". that's the only time it's any fun, for me atleast.


m1

[archonemis]

Originally posted by falcor
golf is incredibly boring to watch...but it's fun to hit things.
it's only natural that golf is elitist - you usually need to belong to a semi-exclusive (elitist) country club to play on a course.

It's only boring because you're a boring person.

P.S. It's only because you don't know where to look that you can't play on a real course. There are plenty of free and cheap courses, but you're clearly to challenged to find them. It's okay, though, ssoner or later someone will help you through to tough process and hold your hand. And when that happens I'll be right behind you. Pointing and laughing.

P.P.S. I don't even know what this thread is aboout.

[remotecontrolalligator]

Originally posted by falcor

it's only natural that golf is elitist - you usually need to belong to a semi-exclusive (elitist) country club to play on a course.

this is the most uninformed thing i have ever heard anyone ever say about golf. and i've heard a lot.

[Remy]

A buddy of mine from grade school and I just started going to the driving range. we both suck at driving the ball and mini golf but i cant think of a sport where we can just chill out and do our male bonding thing without sweating, grunting, or felling exhausted after. The weather in CA is awesome right now and it feels good to be able to hang out with your friends, enjoy the outdoors and weather, and just catch up on old times while swinging away.

I once thought gold was a boring, elitest sport but once you actually try it, to hit the ball right, its challenging. Like any other sport, its much more fun to do it than watch others do it.

I actually went out and got a driver for 20 bucks on ebay.
Im pretty ignant when it comes to golf--but i've been driving 170-200 yards balls on a 3 iron rental( they ran out of drivers). is that decent?

the sound of a club hitting the ball square is pretty sweet, like the crack of a bat in a baseball game.

[remotecontrolalligator]

Originally posted by Ryan
what alexis says is not necessarily that uninformed in the context of new jersey (where falcor and i both live) which is obviously a different environment than cali, especially in terms of the amount of available areas to golf.. and the amount and type of people that play on those courses ..public courses aren't totally devoid of the negative attributes that falcor hints at but what do i know *shrugs*

having said that ive started playing pitch and putt, its more fun especially since i rarely (never) pay to play

maybe uninformed was the wrong word. perhaps just plain old stupid would have been a bit better.

in all the time i have heard people talk about the game (good or bad) i have never heard such an unjust discription of what golf is or how it works. if I sat down to think of a way to put golf down, i don't think even i could have come up with such a rediculous statement.

it was in no way based on fact. other than what people have passed judgement on it for years.

i guess i just would have expected a different line of comments from the members of this place?

[Ryan]

Originally posted by remotecontrolalligator


maybe uninformed was the wrong word. perhaps just plain old stupid would have been a bit better.

in all the time i have heard people talk about the game (good or bad) i have never heard such an unjust discription of what golf is or how it works. if I sat down to think of a way to put golf down, i don't think even i could have come up with such a rediculous statement.

it was in no way based on fact. other than what people have passed judgement on it for years.

i guess i just would have expected a different line of comments from the members of this place?

oh ok .. thats how you feel and im cool with that.
now im just wondering how many actual "facts" about the game you couldve shared with the rest of us who are uninformed instead of spending your time calling people names? :confused:
you obviously feel very strongly about golf, so i would think that your enthusiasm would lead you to spread the love so to say, not put people down just because they dont know better, that almost seems elitist in itself. ;)

i guess i just would have expected a different line of comments from the members of this place :D

[remotecontrolalligator]

i wasn't calling falcor stupid, i was refering to the statement made. i wasn't putting people down, i was putting down the statement.

and yes, i do take it very personally. its a large part of my life. to make statements about it that are so wrong would take on the same meaning in talking about any other way of life. it may be a terrible comparison to most, but think about how many times people get pissed off when someone speaks down on or the slightest bit incorrectly about asian culture. wether people know about it or not, golf is a culture and something i hold very dearly. you may think i'm taking this a bit overbaord? i don't.

just trying to set the record straight, not force a point.

[Ryan]

Originally posted by remotecontrolalligator
i wasn't calling falcor stupid, i was refering to the statement made. i wasn't putting people down, i was putting down the statement.

and yes, i do take it very personally. its a large part of my life. to make statements about it that are so wrong would take on the same meaning in talking about any other way of life. it may be a terrible comparison to most, but think about how many times people get pissed off when someone speaks down on or the slightest bit incorrectly about asian culture. wether people know about it or not, golf is a culture and something i hold very dearly. you may think i'm taking this a bit overbaord? i don't.

just trying to set the record straight, not force a point.

ok i shee

ps

:G: :R:

does that work?

[nikel]

Originally posted by Remy
Im pretty ignant when it comes to golf--but i've been driving 170-200 yards balls on a 3 iron rental( they ran out of drivers). is that decent?

the sound of a club hitting the ball square is pretty sweet, like the crack of a bat in a baseball game.
the distance doesn't matter as much as whether the ball's going where you want it to go, but i do notice that men on the range get more fired up about yardage. just my two-cents.

i also find that crisp club-hitting-ball sound attractive. it's one of the things that keeps me from outright giving up on the game, as rare as my practice and playing times have been.

[Ricky]

I just wished a day at driving range wouldnt fuck my shoulder for days.

[yangnome]

I used to play, but haven't picked up my clubs in about 7 years though I have brought them back and forth from Korea twice. I guess I got spoiled when I lived in Monterey and could play on beautiful courses. The military had a couple courses ( I think they've given them to one of the cities in the area by now) that military members could play on for 20 bucks...both had 4 star ratings. I also got to play on Pebble Beach for free a few times. They used to have events that we could volunteer to be security at...generally this led to free passes. Maybe I will start playing again once I move back that way. Who knows. I have been tempted to take my clubs out, dust them off and play a round or two on the course over here this summer. Maybe I will do it this next week while on leave.

[joetron2030]

I wish I'd read this thread much earlier than today!

In any case...

I became a fan of golf by watching it on TV. I seriously became a fan while I was in college. Not sure why it was at that time. I'd never played golf before. No one in my family plays golf.

I lucked out in '95/'96. The company I was working for had a reward program of sorts and I was named employee of the quarter and given a gift certificate and a gift catalog to choose a gift from. There, in that catalog, was a set of golf clubs that I could "afford" to get with the value of the certificate I had. Nothing fancy, some decent Spalding clubs. I was on my way.

At the time, I was living at my parents' house and there was a municipal executive 9 hole course. Not only that, they offered a four session set of group lessons for $50. So, I jumped on that and learned the basics. After taking lessons, I was hooked! A few years ago, I went back to school part time at the U of MN, Twin Cities. I took a intro golf class one spring for fun. So, I got even more lessons then.

Nowadays, I try to get out to the range when I can get up the desire to go. I love the game and would love to actually golf more rounds. But, with no one else to really go with, I haven't played a round of golf since last summer. I've only been out to the range twice this summer (and that was in the past two weeks)!

Not sure about the rest of the country, but, here in Minnesota, there are plenty of public courses that are reasonably priced. It's amazing the number of golf courses here considering the golfing season here is only about 6 months out of the year.

The history of golf is elitist and racist, there's no denying that. But, it definitely is no longer the case.

My biggest problem with golfing, aside from the what can be seen as prohibitive costs to play, is the environmental impact it has (especially in the south and southwest US).

But, it's nice to see that there are golfin' bots here, too.

[joetron2030]

BTW, I didn't want this lost in my long post above...

I got to spend Sunday out at Hazeltine National for the final round of the 2002 PGA Championship. It was a long day, but it was also a blast!

[remotecontrolalligator]

Originally posted by Ricky
I just wished a day at driving range wouldnt fuck my shoulder for days.

stretching helps.

[remotecontrolalligator]

Originally posted by jskang
BTW, I didn't want this lost in my long post above...

I got to spend Sunday out at Hazeltine National for the final round of the 2002 PGA Championship. It was a long day, but it was also a blast!


uh-oh, another MN golfer huh? on saturday they showed a piece on the history of golf in MN, and how it is one of the larger sports in that state. pretty interesting, i didn't even realize that.

i've attented a few pro tournaments, but never a major. i don't think i could deal with all the crowds. as a kid my friend and i would always go the the LA nissan open. it was great because it was a big enough tournament to draw the big names to play, but not big enough to draw huge crowds like a major.

[invictus]

I've seen Bagger Vance on cable.

Charlize Theron is hot.

[joetron2030]

Originally posted by remotecontrolalligator
uh-oh, another MN golfer huh? on saturday they showed a piece on the history of golf in MN, and how it is one of the larger sports in that state. pretty interesting, i didn't even realize that.


Another? Who's the other? or did you just mean in general?

i've attented a few pro tournaments, but never a major. i don't think i could deal with all the crowds. as a kid my friend and i would always go the the LA nissan open. it was great because it was a big enough tournament to draw the big names to play, but not big enough to draw huge crowds like a major.

This was the first pro tour event I attended! The crowds were insane, but I was prepared for that. Which is saying a lot because I'm not a huge fan of crowds, either. I mean, I avoid a lot of events because I hate crowds.

The only frustrating thing is not getting to see ALL of the big shots made. TV is the ideal way to watch a golf event if you HAVE to see all of the big golf shots. But, being out there was exciting too.

The thing I found was that it made the pros seem more "normal". By that, I mean, there's a sort of disconnect when you watch golfers on TV. It doesn't seem real in some sense.

In seeing these pros in person, they became more "real". I mean, yeah, it's just UNFAIR that they have such sweet golf swings and the kind of golf game they had. But, in watching them in person, it seemed to be more like being out at any golf course and watching other golfers around you playing.

Not sure if that makes any sense.

[remotecontrolalligator]

Originally posted by jskang

The thing I found was that it made the pros seem more "normal". By that, I mean, there's a sort of disconnect when you watch golfers on TV. It doesn't seem real in some sense.

In seeing these pros in person, they became more "real". I mean, yeah, it's just UNFAIR that they have such sweet golf swings and the kind of golf game they had. But, in watching them in person, it seemed to be more like being out at any golf course and watching other golfers around you playing.

Not sure if that makes any sense.


yeah, it makes perfect sense to me. you see tiger woods on tv make some spectacular shots through trees and out fo the rough, to land 10 feet from the pin. wow, that's exciting. but to be standing right there, and see him pull of some crazy fuckin shot like that live. its just insane! puts it into perspective just how good they all are. maybe someday i'll be out there too :)

[YelloKitty]

i'm sure you will too, rca. :)

we had to play golf in high school for p.e. and i was the only one (it seemed) that was excited about it. i think i kicked ass. i haven't touched a club in awhile; i used to go to the driving range when highly stressed, good stuff!

i am um... really good at hot shots golf on ps2.

[joetron2030]

Originally posted by remotecontrolalligator
yeah, it makes perfect sense to me. you see tiger woods on tv make some spectacular shots through trees and out fo the rough, to land 10 feet from the pin. wow, that's exciting. but to be standing right there, and see him pull of some crazy fuckin shot like that live. its just insane! puts it into perspective just how good they all are. maybe someday i'll be out there too :)

Yeah. The rough! The rough! Insane! if I had to hit out of that rough, I'd get the ball about 5 feet and break both my wrists. That rough was thick and hairy like a mofo!

[joetron2030]

Originally posted by Den
here's something I always wondered, and I think this is the appropriate thread to ask...
How come getting a "Double Eagle" is considered to be more rare/cool than getting "a hole in one"?

Some friend told me this, but I didn't get it...I thought a hole in one is the ultimate shot....

"double eagle"? Isn't it called an "albatross"? Maybe I'm wrong.

Anyways, a double eagle is harder because it would have to be a whole in one on a par 4 (a short par 4 at that) or you'd have to hole a par 5 in two shots. That'd be crazy hard!

[remotecontrolalligator]

yeah, jskang is right. a hole in one on a par 3 is hard, don't get me wrong, but for the most part that would be holing a shot from about 190yards or more than likely less. a double eagle on a par 4 is insanely hard. par 4s are typically 320yards or longer. and to sink a shot from the tee from 300+ yards away is remarkable. same deal with holing the second shot on a par 5.

[joetron2030]

Yay! I was right!

Time to do some kung-fu kicks in celebration!

[remotecontrolalligator]

to put it all into perspective, i've been playing for 15 years, and i still haven't gotten a hole in one, or a double eagle. poopies! :(

[kamenriderv3]

golf seems interesting even though i never played a game. would i try it? sure. would i buy all of the gear to play? prob not.

i understand both sides of the rca and jersey discussion. on one side, its just a sport. at the same time, its one of a few sports that some richer folks play. some clubs are/were elitist as well as racist (i.e. refer to tiger woods' childhood stories). its not inherently an upper crust activity but its not cheap or readily available to the poor. the frequent association with the bourgie crown turns off some people.

[remotecontrolalligator]

Originally posted by kamenriderv3
but its not cheap or readily available to the poor. the frequent association with the bourgie crown turns off some people.

i don't want to get into this again. but you are not exactly correct. nothing in life is readily available to the poor! why feel the need to belittle golf? golf is no more or less expensive than alot of other sports that kids can get into. the course i grew up playing on costs $20 for a round. anyone can go out and buy a used set of clubs for $100-$200. how much is a baseball uniform, shoes, glove, batting helmet, trips to the batting cages, fees for little league? how about football, soccer. some holds true for every sport out there. there is cost in everything, but simply becuase of the fact that this was once a "white mans" sport, every feels the need to talk down about it now? it boggles my mind.

[kamenriderv3]

you can...buy a basketball....go to a court and play for free. buy a football....play in park for free. buy a baseball and bat....play in park for free. its not $20 a game.

i'm not talking down on golf. but there's some bad history and its not that long ago. how old is tiger woods? some of us bots were alive when that happened. some people just don't gloss over this kind of stuff.

i think you're getting too sensitive on the replies. even with the good and bad comments...i would still play golf because the bottom line is that its a sport.

[remotecontrolalligator]

try to put it into these terms.

think of something you like, then think of people who admitedly know very little about that thing giving out bad/wrong information about it. i'm not being overly sensetive, i'm just trying to put things into perspective for people who don't know otherwise.

of course there is a bad side to everything. i wouldn't get so defensive if the bad comments i was hearing in here were at least somewhat true. but they aren't. golf isn't a rich man's sport, its doesn't cater to the privelaged, and there is nothing elitist about it. well i take that back, if those of you who choose to still believe all those things after all i have tried to set straight in here, than what else can i do? i have tried to tell you how the game is, but you choose not to believe what i tell you.

[archonemis]

I want to play miniature golf TODAY. Alas I will not.

[serious dude]

Originally posted by archonemis
I want to play miniature golf TODAY. Alas I will not.

http://www.people.fas.harvard.edu/~pyang/flash/miniputt.swf

[djbadmonkey]

ok it's ON!

me and wonki are planning on hitting the links next saturday (3/15). anyone else want to play? Earlier morning (9am) somewhere in la verne perhaps? course is negotiable. heck everything is negotiable.

whatchall think? someone want to round out the 4some?

[wonki wonki]

it's going to be really fun watching me chip over the green 5 times in a row, i swear!

back and forth, back and forth, back and forth...

[remotecontrolalligator]

well shit damnit! tell me where to go and i'll be there.

la verne though, damn dude, i live in the valley. that's a fuckin trek!

[wonki wonki]

arg...

just read through this thread and i can't hep but comment.. from what i hear golf in scotland is still to this day an everyperson's game. so the fact that there are elitist elements about the sport in this country (and elsewhere) is really a statement about this country rather than about golf..

i've played at some truly crappy muni's but it's still so fun, and it's nice seeing parents and kids out playing and enjoying themselves. you don't have to go to augusta to play golf. i suppose you could rent out madison garden to play your ultra-exclusive 3 on 3 games with your buddies if you wanted to.. aw, you get my point.

(sorry i couldn't resist. this particular horse must have died a couple times over.)

[joetron2030]

So, anyone else keepin' an eye on the Colonial this weekend?

I was going to tape today's festivities but I forgot. So, I was stuck with just keeping track via the web.

+1 on the day. Not bad. I'm betting it's a lot better than most were expecting her to do.

Hopefully, she can keep it up for another day and make the cut for the weekend.

[wonki wonki]

the vegas odds on her making the cut is 4-1. what do you think?

[dustin_nguyen]

I'm more of a driving range type person myself as I don't have a nice set of cleats or clubs.

:(

[remotecontrolalligator]

Originally posted by wonki wonki
the vegas odds on her making the cut is 4-1. what do you think?

i got $25 bet with a coworker that says she does make the cut. i don't know about +1 though :(

[wonki wonki]

she beat a couple dozen other guys today so that's cool.

...

i'm so dissapointed in v.j. what up widdat!?

[remotecontrolalligator]

dissapointed with what? last i heard he was boycotting this event, but haven't checked to see if he's playing. vijay is the man.

if he is still boycotting, good for him. gotdamn double standards. its bullshit.

[wonki wonki]

well he said he hopes she misses the cut. i think that's pretty unsportsmanlike. he wouldn't say that about any other sponsor-exemption players who happen not to be a woman.

[joetron2030]

He's not boycotting. He withdrew under the excuse that he "promised his wife that he would take a week off after his next win."

Luckily, he won the Byron Nelson. He was already backpedalling on his comments in any case.

Double standards nothing. There is NOTHING in the PGA Tour bylaws dictating that participants are restricted to being male. The LPGA, though, DOES note the restriction to females only.

If the PGA policy board wants to change the rules going forward, fine. But, for now, it's all by the rules.

[wonki wonki]

and why are exemptions such an issue now? (now that a woman is playing in a pga event.) it wasn't as a contentious issue before annika-mania. you see vj boycotting other events with sponsor-exemptions?

yeah, double standards man. ferreals.

[remotecontrolalligator]

Originally posted by wonki wonki
he wouldn't say that about any other sponsor-exemption players who happen not to be a woman.

you mean like extra-terrestrial life forms, or dogs perhaps? what other players would there be? :)

i would imagine the point he was trying to make was more along the lines of, if she does make the cut more and more women will try to make cuts. there's an LPGA for a reason. sure, it may not have been the nicest way to get his point across. but, it did get the point across.

[remotecontrolalligator]

Originally posted by puppy fields
Double standards? Sorry, I haven't read the whole thread. Are they bending the rules for her?

double standards = women exemptions on the PGA tour, while the commisioner of the LPGA has gone on record to say the men will NOT be allowed to play in their events.

[remotecontrolalligator]

Originally posted by jskang


Double standards nothing. There is NOTHING in the PGA Tour bylaws dictating that participants are restricted to being male. The LPGA, though, DOES note the restriction to females only.

If the PGA policy board wants to change the rules going forward, fine. But, for now, it's all by the rules.

well, i suppose you have a point there.

[remotecontrolalligator]

Originally posted by puppy fields


What's the reason?

what's the reason for what?

[joetron2030]

Originally posted by remotecontrolalligator
i would imagine the point he was trying to make was more along the lines of, if she does make the cut more and more women will try to make cuts. there's an LPGA for a reason. sure, it may not have been the nicest way to get his point across. but, it did get the point across.

But, women can't even make these tournaments right now unless they receive (or ask and are granted) these exemptions. If the exemptions are the problem, then that needs to be addressed, too.

If the PGA is really concerned with women joining the de facto men's tour, they need to change the rules for participation on the tour.

[joetron2030]

Originally posted by remotecontrolalligator


i got $25 bet with a coworker that says she does make the cut. i don't know about +1 though :(

Yeah, that's true. It's only been one day. Who knows? She may completely fall apart tomorrow. Or, the rest of the field might get so far ahead of her that holding at +1 or Even may not be enough.

I heard a commentator say that Sorenstam played to a 68. But her putting was her downfall today. Sounded like she missed more than a few 6-8' that she could've easily made.

I wonder what the scores were for past Colonials to make the weekend cut...

[joetron2030]

An indirect aftermath of Title IX?

[remotecontrolalligator]

Originally posted by puppy fields


That there's an LPGA.

before i try to explain the benefits of keeping the PGA and LPGA seperate (there is also a senior tour). do you know anything/care at all about golf, or are you just here to try and make me look stupid?

[remotecontrolalligator]

Originally posted by jskang


Yeah, that's true. It's only been one day. Who knows? She may completely fall apart tomorrow. Or, the rest of the field might get so far ahead of her that holding at +1 or Even may not be enough.


i think the second of your comments will hold true. the leader is at -5 right now. +1 today, and maybe an even round tomorrow just isn't going to cut it. but like i said, i got money on her making it, so i hope she steps up tomorrow.

[joetron2030]

I see no problems with having a distinct men's and women's tour, for what it's worth. Obviously, they play different golf games.

I don't think a mixed-sex professional league would work, either.

[joetron2030]

Originally posted by remotecontrolalligator


i think the second of your comments will hold true. the leader is at -5 right now. +1 today, and maybe an even round tomorrow just isn't going to cut it. but like i said, i got money on her making it, so i hope she steps up tomorrow.

Just be happy she didn't start her round by vomitting into her club bag on the first tee! :p

[remotecontrolalligator]

Originally posted by jskang


Just be happy she didn't start her round by vomitting into her club bag on the first tee! :p


hahaha, true!

[wonki wonki]

Originally posted by remotecontrolalligator


double standards = women exemptions on the PGA tour, while the commisioner of the LPGA has gone on record to say the men will NOT be allowed to play in their events.

i guess it's a double standard if you assume that it's a level playing field but it's not, right?

it's a bit like not allowing the pga pros to play in the nike tour (or am i making this up), because they will crowd out the developmental players in terms of prize money and shit.

[wonki wonki]

Originally posted by jskang


But, women can't even make these tournaments right now unless they receive (or ask and are granted) these exemptions. If the exemptions are the problem, then that needs to be addressed, too.

If the PGA is really concerned with women joining the de facto men's tour, they need to change the rules for participation on the tour.

they can qualify for the pga tournaments if they want. they are not kept out by any means.

[joetron2030]

Originally posted by wonki wonki
they can qualify for the pga tournaments if they want. they are not kept out by any means.

Assuming they go through Q school, right? I was under the impression that you cannot participate in a tour event unless you pass Q school.

Though, in thinking about it, I'm sure there are exemptions to that rule. I just don't know what they are.

[remotecontrolalligator]

Originally posted by puppy fields


Um...no. I'm just curious why.

I can see how it's divided by age, but the sport seems more skilled based than anything.

without you spelling it out, i can already appreciate the point you are trying to make. but in all actuality, the women's golf tour is a bit different than men's. the courses that are played, the length of the courses, and the rated difficulty. i'm not against women playing in the PGA solely because they are women. i honestly think women wouldn't be able to compete on the courses the men's tour plays.

that's why there is a men's tour, and a women's tour. of course there are more factors, but i would think that is one of the more major points.


Originally posted by puppy fields
Does lifting weights or running a faster 100 meters make you a better golf player?

i don't understand what you are getting at?

[remotecontrolalligator]

Originally posted by wonki wonki


i guess it's a double standard if you assume that it's a level playing field but it's not, right?

why do you think its not?

ts as level as they can make it. anikka is not playing from the same tees as the men. there are no other means to make it any more level for her.

Originally posted by wonki wonki
it's a bit like not allowing the pga pros to play in the nike tour (or am i making this up), because they will crowd out the developmental players in terms of prize money and shit.

would pga pros even want to play on the nike tour? the prize money is less. there is no point. if i were a pga pro i would have no reason to want to play the nike tour. much like there is no real point to allow men to play on the women's tour, other than to cause a stink.

[remotecontrolalligator]

Originally posted by puppy fields


That there are reasons why sports could be divided by gender based on the strength and speed required to compete.

Not sure why golf would we be, unless it's more physically demanding than I first thought.

its not so much that its physically demanding; but, believe it or not proper conditioning will most certainly make one a better golfer. golf is not a bunch of dudes with sticks batting around at a ball. if you look at golfers past and present you will see that the top players in their prime are always in top condition. sure there may be a few lard-ass golfers out there making a name for themself, but that is far from the norm. golf at the professional level takes not only great physical conditioning, but an extreme state of mental concentration as well.

[dimbulb]

my parents used to make me and my brothers their caddy... the bags would be just as big as me... that really sucked...
i haven't golfed in a long long while... i can't say i miss it though... the whole concept of golfing has yet to make sense to me...

[wonki wonki]

Originally posted by remotecontrolalligator


why do you think its not?

ts as level as they can make it. anikka is not playing from the same tees as the men. there are no other means to make it any more level for her.

really? i was under the impression that they're playing the same tees.

would pga pros even want to play on the nike tour? the prize money is less. there is no point. if i were a pga pro i would have no reason to want to play the nike tour. much like there is no real point to allow men to play on the women's tour, other than to cause a stink.

yeah, precisely. but plenty of reasons why individuals from the lpga, the nike tour, and the seniors tour would want a crack at the highest level of competition.

[remotecontrolalligator]

Originally posted by puppy fields


I'm really not trying to argue with you. I'm just trying to understand. I'm sure pro-golfers need to be healthy, but were not talking super human healthy like Michael Jordan or Jackie Joyner-Kersee?

Doesn't a strong drive have more to do with skill than strength?

Mental concentration is not gender specific. Or is it?

I wonder if bowling tournaments is gender specific. Sorry for going off tangent.

i know you aren't trying to argue.

michael jordan and jackie joyner are in top condition for the sport they play. the top golfer in the world, tiger woods is also in super human physical condition. now if all male golfers were at tiger's level there would be no chance for women to compete. NO CHANCE. tiger woods has raised the bar in professional golf. when he is in the correct frame of mind, tiger woods is undeniably unbeatable. many other pros will and have admit ted to this.

yes, a long drive has to do more with skill than strength. but strength most definately helps. not to toot my own horn here, but i have MAAAAAD golfing skills, but i can't hit drives like tiger. because i don't have his strength/conditioning.

mental condition in not gender specific. i only brought it up to make the point that any joe-shmoe can't pick up a club, work out a bit, and call himself a pro.

there is a professional women's bowling tour.

[remotecontrolalligator]

Originally posted by wonki wonki


really? i was under the impression that they're playing the same tees.

you may be right, but i am pretty darned sure she is playing from different tees.



Originally posted by wonki wonki
yeah, precisely. but plenty of reasons why individuals from the lpga, the nike tour, and the seniors tour would want a crack at the highest level of competition.

the seniors had their crack, when they weren't seniors. the nike tour gives regular guys with pipe dreams the chance to achieve their dream. and the lpga, well, we know where that stands. for now, that is their highest level.

[remotecontrolalligator]

Originally posted by puppy fields
Hmmm...are there any women sports that men are not capable of competing in? Not based on culture but plain old athletics.

Xtreme pro lactacting? :)

i have no idea.

[wonki wonki]

nah man, they're playing the same tees.

[remotecontrolalligator]

Originally posted by wonki wonki
nah man, they're playing the same tees.

yeah, i just found that out too. my mistake.

[Robocon^^]

Originally posted by remotecontrolalligator
yes, a long drive has to do more with skill than strength. but strength most definately helps. not to toot my own horn here, but i have MAAAAAD golfing skills, but i can't hit drives like tiger. because i don't have his strength/conditioning.
So you're saying you got his SKILLS? Hoo boyeee...

[remotecontrolalligator]

Originally posted by Robocon^^

So you're saying you got his SKILLS? Hoo boyeee...

when it comes to the swing itself, yeah. i play twice a week if i'm lucky. if i have been training my whole life like he has, i'd be out on tour. but i didn't, so i'm not.

[wonki wonki]

looks like you might win that bet, rca. i can't see how she's going to play any worse. she hardly makes any mistakes, and she doesn't buckle under pressure.

[djbadmonkey]

athleticism is present in golf--looking at a guy like greg norman or jack nicklaus, these guys were blessed with bodies that help them hit the shit out of a golf ball. Ernie Els, Tiger Woods, Vijay Singh they're all tall, with very broad shoulders, and can hit a ball 280 yards if not way more in a straight line. Form has a lot to do with that i'm sure, but who knows? As more and more athletic women start to take an interest in golf, someone like michelle wie might change the way women's golf is played. At some point, designers will hit a limit as to how long they can make a golf course, and at some point the USGA will attempt to limit the techonology, but for now, annika stands at a large disadvantage because her options are limited in how she can play this course. I think she's proven that she can hang with the men, and i applaud that, perhaps this is our generations Billy Jean King moment. I was disappointed in most of what Vijay said, but i get his point that some other guy that deserved a spot and a chance didn't get one at her expense and it wouldn't be a publicity event, it'd be him trying to pay his bills. But yeah, i think she deserves a shot, and i hope she makes the most of it.

i don't know much about golf, but i think her playing that tournament was stupid. first of all she gets a free pass to play, and robs a slot from some poor bloke who lives motel to motel trying to make it. also, it's a double standard. why can't men play in the women's league and win their cash. and third, it just shows again that the women can't hang with the men.

[wonki wonki]

first of all, there are sponsors' exemptions regardless of whether a man takes it or a woman takes it, so what the hell is a difference? some poor bloke's gonna get robbed of a spot anyway. it's telling that this discussion only came up when annika decided to accept the exemption. why not just do away with exemptions period? and why is this question being seriously asked only now?

second, why can't tiger play in the senior pga and win their cash? double standard, right? why can't vj play in the nike tour and win their cash? double standard, right?

your third comment doesn't deserve a reply, because it's pointless.

then why'd you reply to it wonki wonki?

haha

[wonki wonki]

ho ho ho.

[djbadmonkey]

i played today.

shot 90.

54 on the front nine complete with many doubles, and a 4.

36 on the back nine with 5 pars, 2 birds, 2 bogies.

talk about a turnaround!

[joetron2030]

Nice!

[djbadmonkey]

I know now i just want to play more golf so i can shoot 72 :P

i was thinking about it though and i was pretty lucky yesterday.

[remotecontrolalligator]

where'd you play djbm?


i've been on a hot streak myself.

shot 74 (2 over, with a double caused by on OB tee shot :() at knollwood in granada hills two sundays ago. shot 2 over at los robles in thousand oaks last sunday, and missed three 8 foot or less birdie putts.

[djbadmonkey]

nice RCA! i played at Royal Vista GC. North and East Courses. It's not the toughest course in the world.

i'm playing in a july 4th tourney with my folks. Best ball with a $2500 total purse! Hopefully i'll bring the A-game and take some of pops money on the sidebet stylezzzzz

[key_loser]

i used to golf when i was thirteen or so, then i got too tall for non-custom clubs

[remotecontrolalligator]

Originally posted by djbadmonkey
nice RCA! i played at Royal Vista GC. North and East Courses. It's not the toughest course in the world.

i'm playing in a july 4th tourney with my folks. Best ball with a $2500 total purse! Hopefully i'll bring the A-game and take some of pops money on the sidebet stylezzzzz

oh shit! la royal vista right off of fairway in walnut? i used to work out that way, and we would play there in the afternoons! the east course was my favorite out there. i never played all too good out there though.

i like diamond bar g.c. a bit better.

[djbadmonkey]

yeah! east fucked me up, but it's been a good 10 years since i've played the east course.

DBGC is fun, but too crowded. And used to be in shit shape. but i'm gonna make my way over there one of these days...

[remotecontrolalligator]

alright, if this ben curtis guy can come out of nowhere to win the british, than i can too.

RCA 2004 British Open Champion.

has a nice ring to it!

[DJ LunchBox]

fo'sho!!!

RCA gonna rep 818 like nobody's bizness!!!

Whut!?!?!?

[joetron2030]

Sure! Why not?

[djbadmonkey]

hmm if there's one club you should start with, it's a 7 or 8 iron.

they're much easier to swing, used more often in real golf situations than a driver, and you can prob get one for cheap (as they usually come in a set, just 1 would mean the rest of the set is gone and that's all there is left)

there's very little that's intuitive about a golfswing. lessons are very very important...

[joetron2030]

Yeah, definitely start with a shorter club.

When I go out to the range, my routine is to start with a PW to get loose. Make sure I'm swinging OK.

Then, I usually move to the 7I. Then to my 3I and then my 3W (an Adam's Tight Lies).

By then, I've usually expended a "large" bucket of balls and about an hour or hour and a half.

Lessons are very key.

[djbadmonkey]

i find that most people hit large buckets way too fast and cease to reap any benefits after they become fatigued. It's where they pick up bad habits because after a few balls they become tired and do not rest. (yeah a golf swing is a strenuous thing to those who don't believe me) and when you hit 2343 balls when you're tired your swing will be out of wack somewhere, and you'll reinforce the problem messing up your muscle memory which will then lead to the shanks on the course. So i take my time on the range, even try to stretch a small bucket into about 1.5 hrs of practice. I'll take extra time with each ball, aim, go through a preshot routine, etc. as opposed to hacking and reloading which is what i used to do. i think now i'm having more productive sessions at the range, because i've ben playing pretty decent golf as of late.

a good thing to do at a range is to pretend like you're playing a hole you know. Imagine that your first range ball is your drive off the tee, then the 2nd is your 2nd shot, etc, all the way up to chipping it up on the green. You kind of have to know your ball flight and the hole you're thinking about pretty well to do this but this is especially helpful when warming up for a round. helps you find your game face...

[remotecontrolalligator]

Originally posted by djbadmonkey


a good thing to do at a range is to pretend like you're playing a hole you know. Imagine that your first range ball is your drive off the tee, then the 2nd is your 2nd shot, etc, all the way up to chipping it up on the green. You kind of have to know your ball flight and the hole you're thinking about pretty well to do this but this is especially helpful when warming up for a round. helps you find your game face...

very true!

there is no point going to a range to just "hit balls" it doesn't do you any good. you need a routine at the range. i read something by ben hogan once about his practice on the range. it went along the lines of, while on the range he pretends every shot is a real shot. he will go through his full pre-shot routine, set up to the ball as if it were a tournament, and play the shot. if you don't have the patience to follow that, at least have a target each time you hit a ball.

just last night i started reading "golf for enlightenment" by deepak chopra. (http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/0609603906/qid=1058980854/sr=8-1/ref=sr_8_1/102-7802583-6729744?v=glance&s=books&n=507846) very interesting indeed. its not a book of tips, but if you know what you are reading there are definately little tips in there. one suggested in the chapter i read last night was, while at the range, not only have a routine like you are actually on the course, but even dress as though you would on the course. the thought process being, why practice at something if you are not going to practice in real life situations/conditions.

if you are a decent golfer looking to take your game to "the next level" (yeah yeah yeah, cliche) buy this shits! like i said up there, it is not about mechanical improvement, but about focus improvement.

[remotecontrolalligator]

Originally posted by Aniki
fo'sho!!!

RCA gonna rep 818 like nobody's bizness!!!

Whut!?!?!?

"yeah, i'd like to give a shout out to all my homies in sherman oaks. can't forget my old dogs in northridge. yo chatsworth, didn't forget about you!"

[slackerbot]

"Stroke of Genius" Casting Call


Tuesday, August 12
10 am to 4 pm

Rancho Park Golf Course
10460 W. PIco Blvd.
Los Angeles, CA 90064

Attention all you other up and coming actors… You could get your big chance to make it in the movies tomorrow at an open casting call.

The movie is called "Stroke of Genius." It's based on the life of Golfer Bobby Jones.

Proficient young golfers, male & female, ages 6-30, are needed to play a variety of supporting roles in this SAG feature film to be shot in Atlanta.

Candidates should bring golf clubs used when teeing, wear acceptable golfing clothes, expect to hit 2-3 balls for swing evaluation, and possibly give a short reading.

Log on to www.bjfilmsllc.com for full details.

[Steven P]

I just signed up to volunteer at the upcoming Nissan Open in L.A. I think I will be assigned as one of the dudes that holds the scores up with the individual groups. You have to buy a uniform ($80), but I think it be a fun couple of days. If anyone else is interested, just dial 800-752-OPEN.

[slackerbot]

you're going to be on tv! :D

[joetron2030]

Originally posted by Steven P
I just signed up to volunteer at the upcoming Nissan Open in L.A. I think I will be assigned as one of the dudes that holds the scores up with the individual groups. You have to buy a uniform ($80), but I think it be a fun couple of days. If anyone else is interested, just dial 800-752-OPEN.

That's cool. I knew someone who did that when the PGA Championships were here at Hazeltine a couple years ago. He had to buy his "uniform" but otherwise got great access to the course and, most importantly, PARKING. ;)

[Steven P]

Originally posted by jskang


That's cool. I knew someone who did that when the PGA Championships were here at Hazeltine a couple years ago. He had to buy his "uniform" but otherwise got great access to the course and, most importantly, PARKING. ;)

Yeah, I'm pretty excited. This isn't exactly the PGA Championship, but this tournament has been around for a while and draws good players. I hope they put me with a good group.

And yes Slackerbot, I may just be on TV. Look for me during Thur. and Fri. rounds.

[joetron2030]

For those NPR-listenin' bots, today's All Things Considered will have a story about Michelle Wie. It hasn't aired yet and a streamed archive link to the story is not available at npr.org yet, either.

[Steven P]

How's 'bout that U.S. Open at Shinnecock Hills?! That place tore those dudes up. Poor Phil too with that lame-ass double on 17.

Saturday I played on a U.S. Open qualifyer course. La Purisma out in Lompoc. I did quite well for my first time with no warm up practice. I'm looking forward to next year's qualifying there.

[slackerbot]

sheesh. i gotta start playin' golf. sounds fun.

[Robocon^^]

I played a little in Florida with family last week, but I haven't swung a club for years--and didn't know anything back then. Had fun though. Got lucky and even won one of the par 3 greens. I really need to practice at the driving range though. My little brother took some lessons and he's totally schooling me.

[wonki wonki]

Originally posted by Steven P
How's 'bout that U.S. Open at Shinnecock Hills?! That place tore those dudes up. Poor Phil too with that lame-ass double on 17.

Saturday I played on a U.S. Open qualifyer course. La Purisma out in Lompoc. I did quite well for my first time with no warm up practice. I'm looking forward to next year's qualifying there.

Good luck!

How's poker these days?

[cellardoor_sf]

Tiger said it was unfair.

[Steven P]

Originally posted by wonki wonki


Good luck!

How's poker these days?

Poker is working nicely these days, thanks. I've developed my game quite a bit in the past few months. Losing comes few times and far between.

I also started work with a real estate firm recently. If anyone in the L.A. area is looking for an apartment, let me know. The company owns 40 buildings!

[Steven P]

Originally posted by cellardoor_sf
Tiger said it was unfair.

I'd claim "unfair" too if I played that bad. :) In all actuality, Tiger is just off his game right now. Will he get it back? Who knows. I hope he does though.

[slackerbot]

Originally posted by Steven P


[...]
I also started work with a real estate firm recently. If anyone in the L.A. area is looking for an apartment, let me know. The company owns 40 buildings!
ah man, i just signed a lease on a place. :p

[enjoisey]

i'm sure it might be mentioned in this thread, but any links to sites that will improve my swing.
went to the range for the 3rd time in my life yesterday, it's fun, i just have no idea what i'm doing.

[Robocon^^]

My little brother took a class and they stuck him in one of these things.
http://www.superswingtrainer.com/about2.htm
He said it worked really well to get his muscle memory sorted out.

It's just some PVC tubes. I bet it wouldn't be too hard to make one yourself.

[joetron2030]

Yeah, it's all about muscle memory.

Anyone tried out that new TaylorMade R7 driver with the 4 weights that you can move around on the club head?

Most people need to get a decent golf swing. Shouldn't be encouraging them to tinker with something they don't fully understand, no? ;)

[Steven P]

Originally posted by enjoisey
i'm sure it might be mentioned in this thread, but any links to sites that will improve my swing.
went to the range for the 3rd time in my life yesterday, it's fun, i just have no idea what i'm doing.

Buy this book

Ben Hogan's Five Lessons (http://www.amazon.com/gp/reader/0671612972/ref=sib_dp_pt/103-6673214-1211030#reader-link)

It's all you'll need. Simple to follow instruction from a legend in golf!

Then you can move on to his advanced teachings

Power Golf (http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/0671729055/qid=1087936487/sr=1-3/ref=sr_1_3/103-6673214-1211030?v=glance&s=books)

I've been studying this one lately.

[Steven P]

Originally posted by jskang
Yeah, it's all about muscle memory.

Anyone tried out that new TaylorMade R7 driver with the 4 weights that you can move around on the club head?

Most people need to get a decent golf swing. Shouldn't be encouraging them to tinker with something they don't fully understand, no? ;)

I haven't tried it yet, but I'm in love with my Yonex VMass 350+. However Retief Goosen used win to win the U.S. Open. And Sergio Garcia is using it, and he's only won 2 of the last 4 tournaments he's entered. One of my golf buddies uses Taylor Mades R510 driver. They definately make good drivers.

[Steven P]

Originally posted by slackerbot

ah man, i just signed a lease on a place. :p

D'oh!

[Steven P]

Get your balls and get'em cheap!

www.allgolfballs.com

I've ordered from these dudes a few times. They are not brand new balls, but are in good condition. Especially $23 for a dozen of ProV1x's instead of $45 brand new retail.

Shipping takes a bit of time too.

[Steven P]

Anyone in or around the San Fernando Valley looking for lessons let me know. I recently started work at Porter Valley Country Club and they tell me I can teach to non-members. At least I think that's what they said. So if you, or anyone you know is interested, lemme know.

[slackerbot]

Originally posted by Steven P
Anyone in or around the San Fernando Valley looking for lessons let me know. I recently started work at Porter Valley Country Club and they tell me I can teach to non-members. At least I think that's what they said. So if you, or anyone you know is interested, lemme know.
aw man.. wish i lived closer. i'd take you up on that offer. got no job, and i'm running out of things to do during the day. ;)

[Steven P]

Originally posted by slackerbot

aw man.. wish i lived closer. i'd take you up on that offer. got no job, and i'm running out of things to do during the day. ;)

Well, if you are ever up for it...

[charlos3000]

Originally posted by Steven P
Anyone in or around the San Fernando Valley looking for lessons let me know. I recently started work at Porter Valley Country Club and they tell me I can teach to non-members. At least I think that's what they said. So if you, or anyone you know is interested, lemme know.

that wouldn't happen to be the golf course off of tampa and rinaldi would it?

i'm up for a round one of these days. I played a couple of weeks ago and shot an 86 at empire lakes, after taking about 6 mo. off from the game.

my driver was spotty, but my irons and putting saved me. I always putt the lights out when i take a long break, but soon it degenerates into "mr. 2.4 putts per hole"

allgolfballs are rad! i'm gonna stock up on my slazengers!

driver thoughts: lately i've been using a liquidmetal 10 degree, but i just borrowed a taylor made 540 from pops. the problem with my clubs i think is that i always take dad's 2nd handers (which are awesome clubs) but the shafts are always way too soft for my swing speed (~110) i'm a cheap bastard and don't want to reshaft em. Lately i've been hitting callaway s2h2 steel shaft irons, steelhead 4 and 7, and whatever driver isn't slicing balls at a 90 degree angle.

[Steven P]

Originally posted by charlos3000


that wouldn't happen to be the golf course off of tampa and rinaldi would it?


allgolfballs are rad! i'm gonna stock up on my slazengers!



Yeap, that be the place. It's a really nice course. Short on the score card, but lots of uphill shots and not much roll in the fairways.

If you haven't placed your order at allgolfballs.com hold off for a while. I did mention in the previous thread that they take quite some time to ship, well, I placed my last order with them on June 20th, and still haven't received it. No response from my 2 emails on where my order may be either...

[Steven P]

I have a set of PingEye2's for sale if anyone is interested? PM me with any questions.

[DJ LunchBox]

hmmm, think I'll hit the Verdugo course on friday after work.

[Sukebe]

I do better at the shooting range than I do at the driving range.

I must be putting a deathgrip on the clubs cause my fingers hurt like hell and my thumb was numb for a good hour afterwards.

[Steven P]

Go Vijay. 9 wins and over $10,000,000 in prize money this year.

[Sid]

Dude, that one shot by Tiger was amazing.

[herrokitty]

Originally posted by Sukebe
I do better at the shooting range than I do at the driving range.

I must be putting a deathgrip on the clubs cause my fingers hurt like hell and my thumb was numb for a good hour afterwards. ''

http://www.gunandgame.com/forums/showthread.php?t=25000

[joetron2030]

Originally posted by Sid
Dude, that one shot by Tiger was amazing.

Not sure which shot you meant. I wasn't able to see all of Sunday's coverage on TV.

I'm glad that he won again. I was beginning to wonder if he would win another major again.

[Hap]

^^^ He's talking about the miracle chip-in from the fringe on 16 to hold his 2 shot lead. I jumped out of my seat.

Tiger couldn't hit a fairway until the playoff and he barely held on.

He was all choked up as he walked off the green. It's as if the weight of the surgery and overhauling his swing and the Major drought was lifted off of his shoulders.

[joetron2030]

It certainly seems to be. I hope he got a nice celebratory BJ from his hawt swedish (danish? can't remember) wife! :p

[Steven P]

That was some seriously exciting golf right there! I was at work (at the golf course) and the place went aboslutely nuts when he drained that chip on 16. Chris DiMarco played some great golf though, he was firing right at the pins all afternoon. Lots of credit to him, Tiger didn't phase him at all.


...Yeah, Swedish...

[charlos3000]

i played this weekend in my yearly tournament w/ some old friends.

shot a 97 at westridge, which isn't a bad course, but definitely not somewhere i want to go back to.

i had a disastrous front 9, as i was 17 over at the turn. thanks to my double-triple-double start and my 4 over-triple finish. had a couple of pars in there somewhere.

back 9 was markedly batter. shot 8 over on the back, with a nice lucky birdy on a puckerfactor downhill 20' putt. i hit the ball decently for most of the day, i was actually brilliant in the sand, but it was my short game and short irons (surprisingly) that doomed me.

and yeah, i also realized that i can't get excited about golf anymore. it's just not my time to be excited about golf in general. even if i shot an 83, i still think i would have been mostly bored at the end of the day and wishing i was surfing instead.

[Hap]

I almost lost it when Tiger hugged Steve after tapping in on 18. That hug lasted forever and you just knew the only thing he was thinking about was his pops

[joetron2030]

I missed it! I heard about it this morning though.

[Steven P]

That was quite touching. Tiger is the man. For real.

[Steven P]

Originally posted by charlos3000

and yeah, i also realized that i can't get excited about golf anymore. it's just not my time to be excited about golf in general. even if i shot an 83, i still think i would have been mostly bored at the end of the day and wishing i was surfing instead.

That happened to me for the first time in a long time last week. Granted I play at least 5 times a week. But one day last week I just couldn't wait to get off the golf course. The next day a went out and shot 3 under for 9 so, all was well and right again... Stupid game!

[joetron2030]

I wish I could play 5 days a week. Hell, I'd be happy with 5 times in a summer!

[Steven P]

I work at a golf course. One of the many benefits of the job...

[Steven P]

Watch out PGA of America, here I come.

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Just got my PGA Apprentice card in the mail. Just two years, and three levels of testing and I'll be official. A Class A PGA Professional. They'll let anyone in this system.

[joetron2030]

Dang! So, are you planning on going to Q School too?

[Steven P]

We'll see. This card and this part of the PGA is more for working profesionals, opposed to playing pros. When I'm finished with this training, I'll be more likely to be able to get a job as a head pro, or director of golf, or maybe general manager of a club, then so "joe-schmo" off the street.

Q-School is still a possibility though. That involves a big commitment. $3500 big. I'm considering Japan's PGA Tour Q-School. The competition there isn't as stiff.

[joetron2030]

Ah. I see. So you could become a club pro, etc. That's still pretty cool. What kind of money do club pros make? I'm sure it varies wildly depending on the club, etc.

In any case, I think it's still pretty cool. I'm late in picking up golf but I love it. I just wish I could play more than I do (currently once or twice a summer if I'm lucky). It's probably a more enjoyable job than being a desk jockey like me.