Mulholland Drive - Twin Cities

[fancyk]

I know there's a couple of people from Minneapolis on this board. Anyway, they are showing a free screening of Mulholland Drive tonight at U Film at the Bell Auditorium. 9:00pm. And it's free, can't beat that. It isn't supposed to open here until the 19th, so you get to see it almost 2 weeks early.

-k

[joetron2030]

What's "Mulholland Drive" about? Who's in it?

[fancyk]

Originally posted by jskang
What's "Mulholland Drive" about? Who's in it?

It's the new David Lynch film. He won "Best Director" at Cannes this year for it. Supposed to be damn good...

-k

[Mikio4]

Yeah I heard about that. I'm torn though, between going to see that or going to see the Cosmic Psychos at Grumpy's. I'm leaning toward the Psychos though cuz who knows if I'll ever have another chance to see em again.

[joetron2030]

Originally posted by Mikio4
Yeah I heard about that. I'm torn though, between going to see that or going to see the Cosmic Psychos at Grumpy's. I'm leaning toward the Psychos though cuz who knows if I'll ever have another chance to see em again.

OK. Who the heck are Cosmic Psychos?

[joetron2030]

Sorry to double-post here:

I doubt I'll make it to either of these events.

Been so busy with the process of buying a house. Stress!!!

[montyburnz]

Originally posted by Mikio4
Yeah I heard about that. I'm torn though, between going to see that or going to see the Cosmic Psychos at Grumpy's. I'm leaning toward the Psychos though cuz who knows if I'll ever have another chance to see em again.

Is that the band from Australia?

[amboy]

personally, i find david lynch quite evil and distorted. this happened upon my second viewing of 'lost highway'. the first time i enjoyed it if only for the visuals and sound design, not to mention the fucked up storyline and richard pryor's cameo. but the second time i saw it, i followed the plot a little more closely and got freaked the fuck out. a lot of his typical obsessions run through this movie, but i think this is the one movie which encapsulates lynch's idea of evil and satan-worshipping the best. he captures what nightmares are like quite well, but im not really down with his celebration of the dark side.

havent seen any of his other movies though, and i might check this one out.

[fancyk]

Originally posted by Solipsism
I just saw this tonight...unfortunately...Iam sdrunk as hell, and cannnot type for the lide of me..will report when I m sober....all I ca say at the moment is that this was surreal...like all david lynch movies...like a drea,....

Yeah, I saw it too. I thought it was damn good. I had read the script for the pilot a long time ago, so I had a pretty good idea what was going on up until the last 20 minutes of the movie, where it went fucking crazy. A bunch of my friends were the dancers in the jitterbug scene, so that was cool to see them being all weird and shit. Certainly a must see, but I did notice a lot of people walking out of the film saying "What the fuck was that" so it's not gonna be a huge blockbuster, that's for sure. But it was incredible...

-k

[lovelikefrogs]

So this is basically another one of his films that can leave you feeling ambiguous as to whether you should choose to like, dislike it. kind of like the Lost Highway and Wild at Heart.

[Mikio4]

Well that sounds good. I'll definitely see it in 2 weeks I guess. And to those who axed, Cosmic Psychos are a Aussie punk n roll band. They are great and they rock with a capital R. They were great last night as always, but if you weren't there I don't think you'll be seein em, cuz I believe that was the only US show they're gonna play.

And to Sol, I personally think that David Cronenburg's films are more fucked up than Lynch's. Lynch has nightmare qualities that are more crepy and disconcerting, but the imagery and body horror in Cronenburg's movies are much more disturbing to me. Jeremy Irons will never be better than he was in Dead Ringers.

[lovelikefrogs]

Originally posted by Solipsism
Oh no..there's no ambiguity here. Youre either a Lynch fan or you want to Lynch him. Very little room in between. Like the other wacko David...Cronenberg...
Yeah but just cause your a fan that doesn't meen you like everything they do. Lost Highway was interesting but it seemed to lack a certain something that ALL Lynch fans would be satisfied with the the way they were with Blue Velvet and episodes of the Twin Peaks. This is what I mean by ambiguous, meaning you could choose to like it or dislike it depending on waht you got out of it. With Blue Velvet it really leaves you no choice, you either like it or not.

[fancyk]

Ever since I saw MD, I keep expecting lesbian scenes to happen out of nowhere, but alas, they don't.

-k

[Tetsuo Shima]

Twin Peaks, hands down most psychologically-disturbing threat to my sanity since the Prisoner. "Blue Velvet," "Eraserhead," "Lost Highway"...oh gosh. Drive me nuts.

Cronenberg is ok, but not as truly psychotic.

[fancyk]

Originally posted by Solipsism
Originally posted by fancyk
Ever since I saw MD, I keep expecting lesbian scenes to happen out of nowhere, but alas, they don't.

-k

Heh heh...those were wacky scenes eh...I trust that those were shot after the French gave him money to finish the project. Doubt it was in the series he proposed for the TV executives....

Yeah, since I read the script, I didn't see that coming. When we were watching that, I leaned over to my girlfriend and said "This wasn't in the pilot." :)

[fancyk]

Originally posted by Tetsuo Shima
Twin Peaks, hands down most psychologically-disturbing threat to my sanity since the Prisoner. "Blue Velvet," "Eraserhead," "Lost Highway"...oh gosh. Drive me nuts.

I'm really excited that the first season of Twin Peaks is coming on DVD in December. I have the video box set, but apparently it has a directors commentary track which should be rad. Esp. since David Lynch directed most of the first season.

-k

[fancyk]

Originally posted by Solipsism
December? I'm marking that on me calendar... [/B]

Yep:

Release Date: December 4, 2001.

Rated: Unrated
Starring: Twin Peaks, Kyle Maclachlan, et al.

Edition Details:
• Region 1 encoding (US and Canada only)
• Color, Box set, DTS Surround Sound
• Commentary by directors
• Contains episodes 1-7 (complete first season except the pilot)
• Newly remastered
• Directors' audio commentaries
• On-camera interviews with the cast
• Interviews with cinema & TV experts
• Archival materials from the fanzine "Wrapped in Plastic"
• Log Lady introductions
• Number of discs: 4

There are also new versions of Eraserhead, Blue Velvet and a compliation of shorts (The Grandmother, The Alphabet, Cowboy and the Frenchmen) being put together for a DVD release. Now _that's_ gonna rule!

-k

[Tetsuo Shima]

fancyk, H-O-L-Y-S-H-I-T-!-!-!
Twin Peaks on DVD?! Oops, I'm slobbering. Break out the straightjacket. I'll be waiting.

[defy2]

(Quote: but im not really down with his celebration of the dark side. from Amboy)

Boo Hoo,
The dark side iz the only side, fag.Are you one of
those sensitive art fag asian guys that wants to be
white??? Thats the last thing Asian America needs, Fag.
Be like me .I treat white girls like cheap sluts and
my main goal in life is to define the NEW Asian American
Identity.No martial arts,no funny ,funny Jackie Chan.
Just death and pure style.

THE FUTURE IS NOW...

[Edited by defy2 on 10-13-2001 at 09:34 AM]

[Captain Cactus]

Does anyone know if they're still trying to get that super duper long, epic saga version of Fire Walk With Me released to DVD? It would be nice. We also need some Wild At Heart, too.

[Mikio4]

Originally posted by Solipsism
Originally posted by Mikio4
And to Sol, I personally think that David Cronenburg's films are more fucked up than Lynch's. Lynch has nightmare qualities that are more crepy and disconcerting, but the imagery and body horror in Cronenburg's movies are much more disturbing to me. Jeremy Irons will never be better than he was in Dead Ringers.

Personally, I find Lynch more terrifying because he delves in the abstract horrors...shifting psychosis and unnamed fears...Nightmares come alive.

Cronenberg, although there is plenty going on psychologically, strikes me as being far more obsessed with somatic degradation. He seems to show mental unhinging through the waste of the body...with gruesome effect, but he's sorta robbed us of our imagination and dominated it with his twisted visions.

Lynch leaves the dread to the viewer's mind. This may sound silly, but Lost Highway scared the living shit out of me. Much more so than most or any Cronenberg affairs to date. I have an active imagination.

Re: Dead Ringers, Jeremy Irons was mighty insane in that one. And a double role too....

While I do agree with you on the points you make I guess that the thing about Cronenburg's stuff is that it seems more real. The fact that Lynch deals in the nightmarish makes it more frightening (which I agree it is), but also makes it resonate less with me because it has more of a dream like (that is to say unreal) quality to it. I love them both but I still find Cronenburg's stuff more disturbing.

[Mikio4]

Originally posted by defy2
(Quote: but im not really down with his celebration of the dark side. from Amboy)

Boo Hoo,
The dark side iz the only side, fag.Are you one of
those sensitive art fag asian guys that wants to be
white??? Thats the last thing Asian America needs, Fag.
Be like me .I treat white girls like cheap sluts and
my main goal in life is to define the NEW Asian American
Identity.No martial arts,no funny ,funny Jackie Chan.
Just death and pure style.

THE FUTURE IS NOW...

[Edited by defy2 on 10-13-2001 at 09:34 AM]

Shouldn't this be in the Breakroom?

[TypeFiend]

Originally posted by fancyk
Originally posted by Tetsuo Shima
Twin Peaks, hands down most psychologically-disturbing threat to my sanity since the Prisoner. "Blue Velvet," "Eraserhead," "Lost Highway"...oh gosh. Drive me nuts.

I'm really excited that the first season of Twin Peaks is coming on DVD in December. I have the video box set, but apparently it has a directors commentary track which should be rad. Esp. since David Lynch directed most of the first season.

-k


Only problem is the premiere episode will not be included in the box set! They're gonna release it separately due to different companies holding rights :\ You can already get the 2 hour premier on DVD from an asian movies site. I plan to freeze frame Bob and leave it on my sister's DVD player...she shall shit her pants for sure. I suck.

[fancyk]

The Pilot came out on DVD a while ago, and was released for what must have been a week. It's impossible to find and going for $100+ the last time I checked on eBay. I bought it a long time ago on laserdisk, so I'll have to be happy with that for the time being.

As far as FWWM on DVD, I guess they remixed the sound and that it should be known within the next couple of weeks if it's going to have all the extra scenes. The studios are debating it right now...

-k

[yellahbastard]

as far as i'm concerned, david lynch is a freaking genius. who else can make a sunny LA skyline look so utterly bleak and ominous. beautiful piece of work. i can't forget the mexican performance art, with the empty stage with microphone standing alone, with the blue velvet shimmering like diamonds in the background.

-hot lesbian love. goddamn. when those two bitches first were on screen, i turned to my friend and said, jokingly, that i couldn't wait till those chicks boned down. i was just joking. imagine my surprise.

-it's a shame this wasn't made into a tv series. it would have been awesome.

-the satire of hollywood was ON POINT and the only true satire of hollywood yet (altman et al. are merely self-love disguised as satire).

-david lynch's greatest accomplishment, and perhaps one of the greatest artistic endeavors in this century, was pushing through Twin Peaks onto a major network on prime time TV, and introducing a large mainstream audience to something truly artistic and new.

[Tetsuo Shima]

I just watched "Mulholland Drive." What the hell does it mean? I have my own ideas, but I'd like to hear from other people who might have seen it.

[Hyde]

why is it "complete first season except the pilot"? isn't the pilot the first episode?

[Tetsuo Shima]

Originally posted by Hyde
why is it "complete first season except the pilot"? isn't the pilot the first episode?



The pilot isn't the first episode. It's a somewhat hyper-paraphrased version of the series' main points in 2 hours or so. They even capture Bob at the end, but it's a much different ending in the pilot.

BTW, anyone remember how many episodes were in the second season?

i work at universal studios and as this movie is being distributed by universal Focus i have had the pleasure(?) of seeing it at an employee screening.

by the way it was cool to get back on the forums and see you guys talking about this.

anyways, i saw mulholland drive and it is definetly a return to his(David Lynch's) roots. it is weird, and then strange and then it goes back to being weird. and i loved every goofy minute of it.

originaly filmed as a pilot for ABC television, Lynch brought back the cast to shoot extra footage for a wrap-it-up ending that the original 2 hour pilot did not have.

there are still a few things about the movie that i didn't understand(that eventually made sense after i found out it was a pilot originally), but all in all it was worth 2 and a half hours. (i think) (?????)

anyways, if you dug on twin peaks, you'll dig on this.

that is all.

[fancyk]

Originally posted by Hyde
why is it "complete first season except the pilot"? isn't the pilot the first episode?

Actually, if I remember correctly, the pilot was produced as its own "stand alone" film for England, that's why it's owned by a different company and sometimes referred to as "Twin Peaks the Movie." If you have seen the pilot, then watch the episodes, they don't really fit together very well anyway, since the pilot needed an ending.

-k

[fancyk]

I do have to say this tho, I loved Twin Peaks, but when I heard he was doing another TV show (which ended up as MD), I was a little nervous. I don't know if anyone saw "On The Air," but that show sucked, big time, and "Hotel Room" was just OK. So in my mind, David Lynch had kind of a hit or miss track record with TV. But after seeing how MD turned out, I think it could have ended up being a good series...

-k

[johnny_sokk0]

ok so like there's the livin the hollywood dream part then the uh 'nightmarish' reality of LA.

Umnn thats all i know. Im probably wrong. I dont want to understand.
I'm glad Lynch doesn't feel the need to wrap all his films into neat packages.

I just saw this last weekend and it was so funny leaving the theater hearing all the bullshit 'explanations' and 'understandings' coming out of the Angelika hipsters.

Silencio!

Originally posted by Tetsuo Shima
I just watched "Mulholland Drive." What the hell does it mean? I have my own ideas, but I'd like to hear from other people who might have seen it.

[amboy]

i saw this this past weekend, i thought it was excellent. i didnt find it so dark as lost highway, but mulholland drive is more a story of love gone bad than anything else. well, that's what i think.

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ok, the first waitress in winkie's, diane, was that the same actress who played diane at the end of the movie? who is the actress who plays diane?

[johnny_sokk0]

Her name is Naomi Watts, i think,
She plays Betty and Diane.

Originally posted by amboy
i saw this this past weekend, i thought it was excellent. i didnt find it so dark as lost highway, but mulholland drive is more a story of love gone bad than anything else. well, that's what i think.

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ok, the first waitress in winkie's, diane, was that the same actress who played diane at the end of the movie? who is the actress who plays diane?

[amboy]

Originally posted by johnny_sokk0
Her name is Naomi Watts, i think,
She plays Betty and Diane.

Originally posted by amboy
i saw this this past weekend, i thought it was excellent. i didnt find it so dark as lost highway, but mulholland drive is more a story of love gone bad than anything else. well, that's what i think.

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ok, the first waitress in winkie's, diane, was that the same actress who played diane at the end of the movie? who is the actress who plays diane?

no way, that cannot be the same actress! physically theyre so different...

[Yumyumcha]

According to IMDB (Internet Movie Database), Naomi Watts plays Betty Elms/Diane Selwyn. There is also a Missy Crider playing a Waitress at Winkies (Melissa).

[lark2222]

Originally posted by Tetsuo Shima
Twin Peaks, hands down most psychologically-disturbing threat to my sanity since the Prisoner. "Blue Velvet," "Eraserhead," "Lost Highway"...oh gosh. Drive me nuts.

Cronenberg is ok, but not as truly psychotic.

yeah. I just saw Eraserhead at the Harvard Film Archive a few weeks ago. Can't decide if it was pretentious crap or not. I do know it's genuinely disturbing. I started a thread about it but nobody picked it up. Anyway, anyone care to comment about it?

[montyburnz]

I just saw Mulholland Drive tonight. I don't get why critics are going apeshit over the movie.
I guess I'm in the head scratching camp when it comes to Lynch. Still, I liked the movie a lot...its a strange puzzle that left me disturbed like that japanese horror movie Cure. The music is also as gorgeous and eery as the 2 main characters.

Can you imagine if it was a tv show? It disappoints me that ABC and HBO shot Lynch down.

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1)What was this movie about?

2) No, really. What was this movie about?
Or is that beside the point? How would you advise one to
watch the film?

3) There are 2 narratives in the story that are divided by the discovery of the blue box. It seems like they are linked except the story that ends the movie is the dominant one...the real reality. I see the linear story of the beginning of the movie as the dream just before death...sort of like Jacob's Ladder. what do you think?

Originally posted by montyburnz
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1)What was this movie about?

2) No, really. What was this movie about?
Or is that beside the point? How would you advise one to
watch the film?

3) There are 2 narratives in the story that are divided by the discovery of the blue box. It seems like they are linked except the story that ends the movie is the dominant one...the real reality. I see the linear story of the beginning of the movie as the dream just before death...sort of like Jacob's Ladder. what do you think?


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1) It was about bad acting. Lynch's take on Hollywood superficiality.

2) Really. Watch it as a satire.

3) Dreams are dreams. Dark and confusing and amusing. Why have everything spelled out for ya?

[montyburnz]

Naomi Watts, Betty in Mulholland Drive, is going to be in Ring, American version of the Japanese horror movie. I guess that's one good sign since she's a great actress.

[Hyde]

what? no chapter stops?! the dvd sucks but really cool movie. cool enough to buy the crappy dvd..

[Willie D]

Just saw this last nite. The last 20 minutes were a big fat WTF.

Does the 'order of appearance' in the credits mean anything? The credits have Naomi Watts and the old people from the airport appearing before Laura Harring. Weird.

Originally posted by Hyde
what? no chapter stops?! the dvd sucks but really cool movie. cool enough to buy the crappy dvd..

All Lynch DVD's have no chapter stops.
He believes they are films, not books.

[Hyde]

Originally posted by Metempsychosis
All Lynch DVD's have no chapter stops.
He believes they are films, not books. yea, i read that but a movie that goes on for over 2 hours with no chapter stops is annoying.

i can't get that linda scott "i've told every little star" song out of my head.

[montyburnz]

everything you wanted to know about "Mulholland Drive" courtesy of Salon.com:

http://www.salon.com/ent/movies/feature/2001/10/23/mulholland_drive_analysis/?x

[windchillFactor]

well, months and months and months after the fact i finally saw this movie. i sat through the whole thing thinking, "okay, pretty soon something is going to tie together all this stuff that is happening and it is going to make sense." and while there was a sorta "tie-together" point at the dinner party, it didn't really make a whole lot of sense anyhow. then, like most do, the movie ended.

So, for the next couple days, I kept thinking about what might have happened that I missed. Then I read the Salon article, and while it does explain the flick, I sorta wanted to believe that the blue box was something like the box in Hellraiser that opens other dimensions and creates other realities for the same people.

Then I started thinking, that is kinda the good thing about David Lynch; he doesn't dot all the "i's" and cross all the "t's", and sometimes he rips a page or two out of the book and lets our own imaginations write some of the film. And truthfully, that will always be more entertaining than anything one person could ever create on his own.

And, it was just very eerie, even when nothing bad was happening. I'm so de-sensitized to things that try to creep me out that I have to give it a point for hitting that nerve, even slightly.

[loglady]

guess y'all knew i'd be coming to this thread. ( i love it when tha gr site sez "thank you for logging in, loglady") i like the story about the genesis of mul dr.: it was gonna be a series and they told dave to make the pilot 2 hours and keep it rated pg 13. so what does he do? he makes a 4 hour movie where the first scene is a doggie taking a dump on a lawn. go dave! i know there's more footage that he did and it's not all on the dvd. he shoulda given it all to us...

[Shaftoe]

1) I got the movie.

2) I usually like off-the-wall, leave it to the imagination, creepy, eerie, what have you movies.

3) Personal opinion, Mulholland Drive FUCKING SUCKED ASS. What a boring piece of cinema. Yeah, the chicks were hot. Yeah, he nailed stereotypes. Fucking blah. I'll pull teeth out before ever watching this shite again.

And I dug Twin Peaks.

[Phyrephox]

So why didn't you like this movie?

[Shaftoe]

Well, on its plus side, it was dark and well-filmed (and managed to pull that off with the majority of the film in the daylight). The score was cool too.

BUT

It was painfully obvious at which point Lynch took his rejected, series-to-be stock and tacked on the last bits for theatrical release. A linear, passable movie devolves into a series of what-the-fucks with some gratuitous lesbian action thrown in. There was no cohesion or continuity whatsoever to the conclusion of this movie. I had to sit down and think about it for about 10 minutes after to put together what I thought was going on (Diane/Betty are the same person as are Camilla/Rita and the majority of the movie was Diane/Betty fantasizing or dreaming about how her life could have been if things went a little differently, albeit unrealistically, and the ending is her crashing back to reality with the result being killing herself -- I think???). There were so many things unattended to, so many red herrings, so much mindfucking that really it was just a mindfuck movie without the element of a plot. Or if there was a plot, it had to be interpreted and dissected and analyzed and spat back out into something remotely resembling a cohesive story.

Oh, I've got all this series footage, can't do a series, so I'll tack on a bullshit senseless mindfuck ending and watch the critical acclaim pour in.

Unless you are so indoctrinated and upset with archetypal Hollywood that the sarcastic/sadistic portrayal of the stereotypes in the movie amuse you, or you prefer movies without any discernible sense (I'll admit that there are these people and my tastes certainly differ, but no grudges there), this is a mediocre movie that takes a complete and utter dive in the final 20 minutes. If you want to do a movie about someone dreaming about how it could have been after they made a fateful decision to have someone they love killed, you could just tell that fucking story. You could keep it abstract and make people think for it without making it so left-field that people scratch their heads and sit in their thinking chair trying to figure out what the fuck they just watched (or have to seek out a website with an explanation of the movie to figure out what they just watched).

Not revolutionary, just frustrating. Again, just my opinion. Even the portion of the movie that made sense was just plain boring. I was watching it waiting for something, anything, to pique my interest, something to draw me into it more than simply my hunger for fucking popcorn.

So why did you like this movie?

[akuma]

becuase it kicks ass, dum dum.

[SDP]

I agree completely with Shaftoe.

I liked Lost Highway much better.

[JLS]

I enjoyed Mulholland Drive. Naomi Watts performance was wowserz, flippin' her fantasy life and harsh, real life. The lesbo scene is the Bees Knees. I didn't enjoy Lost Highway as much as I did Mulholland Drive or Blue Velvet. Dennis Hopper as Frank Booth. Scary.

[DJ LunchBox]

Both movies made me go WTF.

[joetron2030]

I still haven't seen this movie.

[montyburnz]

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