Ang Lee's Hulk

[Randroid]

So what do y'all think about Lee directing the new Hulk film? Think he'll be able to pull off a good superhero flick?

I think he's got a good chance.

The Hulk is scheduled for a 2003 release.
No Lou though.

[l-train8]

<i><b>No Lou, though</b></i>

I'm sure they'll go with some sort of CG or CG/body builder composite for the title role. Too bad. Arnold back in the Conan days or Lou - those guys were so cool in movies. They were huge, and it wasn't fake. They weren't the best actors (check out Lou in Hercules if you don't believe me), but a role like the Hulk isn't too demanding of those kinds of skills.

[ironmonkey]

ang is doin the hulk?!?! damn, im kinda skeptic about that one. i never really liked the green hulk anyway, i love the grey hulk back in the 80's. who was down with comics back in the day? cant fuck with rob liefeld, jim lee, and todd mcfarlane.

damn, i hope ang does the sequel of CTHD after he does the prequel.

[amboy]

can we please have a link? ive been trying to find info on this and cant...that would be hella dope...but im already teased by the miller/aronofsky collab on batman:year 1...

[Randroid]

Here is a link..

http://www.comics2film.com/newstory.shtml#Hulk

Here is the text for the lazy:

Director Ang Lee of (Crouching Tiger,
Hidden Dragon) fame says he wants the
Hulk film to come out in 2003 but plans
major changes to screenwriter David
Hayter's treatment of the gamma-powered
goliath. "I'm developing [The Hulk] and
we're hoping for a 2003 release," Lee told
Eric Moro of EON Magazine at Sunday's
Golden Globe Awards. "But, it's just in the
beginning stages. We've got to do so much
research and prepare work and just see
what's happening." As for Hayter's work,
"I'm just beginning on the script and [will]
probably be changing it entirely," Lee said.
"I don't know. I would like to have a new
approach to the material. I like to bring
drama and character study into a
pop-entertaining genre." Lee said.

Meanwhile, Marvel's Kevin Feige told
Comics2Film (www.comics2film.com) "I
don't know if [Lee's] deal is closed but he's
on board. We're doing meetings and we're
starting to get his input into the way he
wants the movie to go," Feige told
Comics2Film

[ironmonkey]

Originally posted by amboy
can we please have a link? ive been trying to find info on this and cant...that would be hella dope...but im already teased by the miller/aronofsky collab on batman:year 1...

yeah im down with that. BUT id be twice as hyped if they were doing "the dark knight returns" instead. my fav piece of work in comic form of all time. but im looking forward to year 1.

yeah, hook me up with a link. i really gotta see it for myself. ang and hulk?

[ironmonkey]

damn, this just shows the broadness of this cat lee, hes definently dope. i mean think about it would you ever expect the same person who did "sense and sensebility" to be doing "the hulk" as well?

thanks for the link...

[Randroid]

Hey no problem .. if anyone manages to dig up some more info, post it here!

Originally posted by l-train8
<i><b>No Lou, though</b></i>

I'm sure they'll go with some sort of CG or CG/body builder composite for the title role. Too bad. Arnold back in the Conan days or Lou - those guys were so cool in movies.


Noooooooo. Not Arnold or Lou. Or any bodybuilder who acts awful. They are puny humans!!!!

They need to supersize the actor who will be the Hulk. Arnold and Lou are too small anyway.

Ang needs actors for his movies. Its bad enough that superhero movies get bogged down with poor scripts.

[Randroid]

I hope there isn't too much cheesy CGI shit.

[BooBoo-Kitty]

i don't know about too small. lou maybe but arnie? not back in the day. arnie had to get small now so he could be in movies but he's still a large mammal. either way, it should be someone who speaks more english. that way if the hulk gets smart (like in the books) he can put together a syllogism about why beauty is truth and sound tight doin it.

[Randroid]

Smart Hulk rocks ...

[l-train8]

Hulk is all about the rage within. It's about uncontrolable fury and power. Smart Hulk is just another really strong superhero, albeit a big one. Big whoop.

[BooBoo-Kitty]

there's just something about a calculating force of bigness. i mean, he could do calculus and then HULK SMASH!!! that's kinda interesting. sure stupid hulk is pure and raw but wouldn't it be really cool to be supersmart and strong like marvin on PCP?



[Edited by BooBoo-Kitty on 01-26-2001 at 07:07 PM]

[S•Sly]

Hey....what did happen to Hulk anyways? I remember the gray Hulk in the comics a while back, and I also remember seeing advertisements in the comics saying 'The New Hulk' and it showed the Hulk, but he was back to green, but it seemed like it was a brighter shade of green. He also seemed to turn more handsome looking too. He combed his hair or something.. So did he sacrifice a little of his intelligence and a little big of brute strength to become this perfect equilibrium hulk?

[Tuan]

Originally posted by ironmonkey
ang is doin the hulk?!?! damn, im kinda skeptic about that one. i never really liked the green hulk anyway, i love the grey hulk back in the 80's. who was down with comics back in the day? cant fuck with rob liefeld, jim lee, and todd mcfarlane.



Yo....I'm with Ironmonkey on this one! I love Ang Lee from the bottom of my heart BUT the Hulk?!? Ang Lee would have to pull something totally incredible out of his ass to make me really love this upcoming film! And if he could do that..I'll cherish the ground he walks on. His success with the Hulk will only justify that his skills can conquer all forms of film.

...heheh..the hulk.....

[ironmonkey]

Originally posted by Tuan
Originally posted by ironmonkey
ang is doin the hulk?!?! damn, im kinda skeptic about that one. i never really liked the green hulk anyway, i love the grey hulk back in the 80's. who was down with comics back in the day? cant fuck with rob liefeld, jim lee, and todd mcfarlane.



Yo....I'm with Ironmonkey on this one! I love Ang Lee from the bottom of my heart BUT the Hulk?!? Ang Lee would have to pull something totally incredible out of his ass to make me really love this upcoming film! And if he could do that..I'll cherish the ground he walks on. His success with the Hulk will only justify that his skills can conquer all forms of film.

...heheh..the hulk.....

serious tuan, its like tarantino doin a "joy luck club" type movie.

its like "ang...did you just start smoking crack or something?" im all for him pullin this off tho.

[martin]

But going by Ang Lee's past flicks, who would have thought he'd pull off a swordplay flick? Pushing Hands wasn't exactly martial arts... Everyone has known that the man is talented and brilliant. Now they know he has cool taste, too.

I hope they keep the TV show theme song. It makes me cry.

[l-train8]

The obvious answer: Goldberg.

He would be awesome. He's big enough, and he looks scary when he gets mad. He'd have to get some hair, though.

[Iggy]

Originally posted by l-train8
The obvious answer: Goldberg.

He would be awesome. He's big enough, and he looks scary when he gets mad. He'd have to get some hair, though.

Nahhh man, it's gotta be the Rock.-Iggy

[Tuan]

Originally posted by l-train8
The obvious answer: Goldberg.

He would be awesome. He's big enough, and he looks scary when he gets mad. He'd have to get some hair, though.

...I say Howard Stern.

[ironmonkey]

naw, im not down with a wrestler playing the part of the hulk. i mean it WOULD make sense since wrestlers are big and all, and they probably wouldnt have to say much but if i saw the trailer and it said:"ang lee's "the hulk" starring the rock" id be like "fuck this".

in my opinion:

wrestlers in movies=crappy crap crap

except for jesse the body in predator. or maybe andre the giant in that one movie.

[SweetArse]

Originally posted by ironmonkey
except for jesse the body in predator. or maybe andre the giant in that one movie.

Andre the Giant would have made a good Hulk. Let's go dig him up. Hulk needs to be huge and deformed because he's a freak. How about a dramatic turn by Shaq?

[l-train8]

Shaq's tall, and big for a basketball player, but you need a body builder or a wrestler for the Hulk. Shaq's just too skinny for the part.

I don't think the Rock would be the best wrestler for the part. The Hulk would never do the people's eyebrow thing. Goldberg does that furious pissed-off face the best, and that's really all the Hulk needs.

[Randroid]

Screw all that .. who is going to play Bruce Banner before he gets all "hulked up"? I'm for Edward Norton.

Originally posted by Randroid
Screw all that .. who is going to play Bruce Banner before he gets all "hulked up"? I'm for Edward Norton.

Gotta say yeah on that one. He's a good actor and he looks right for the part.

Someone mentioned Andre the Giant earlier. Isn't he dead already? I thought that giantism condition accelerated his metabolism until his body aged too much.

Shaq is tall but not muscular enough for a Hulk part. Also he can't act if his testicles depended on it. He can't rap either but that's another story.

[Tuan]

Originally posted by kikaida01
Shaq is tall but not muscular enough for a Hulk part. Also he can't act if his testicles depended on it. He can't rap either but that's another story.

[/B]

Yo..if for some odd ass reason Shaq gets the part for the Hulk I will seriously round up a posse and stone the casting company!
Then I'm gonna find Ang Lee and pimp slap his ass.
heheh.. but then you know our beloved director won't do something THAT stupid.

[trigonometry_vs_velvet]

Originally posted by Randroid
I hope there isn't too much cheesy CGI shit.

some cgi's are wicked cool in movies. like terminator 2. that was great!

[kamenriderv3]

Originally posted by Tuan
Originally posted by kikaida01
Shaq is tall but not muscular enough for a Hulk part. Also he can't act if his testicles depended on it. He can't rap either but that's another story.



Yo..if for some odd ass reason Shaq gets the part for the Hulk I will seriously round up a posse and stone the casting company!
Then I'm gonna find Ang Lee and pimp slap his ass.
heheh.. but then you know our beloved director won't do something THAT stupid. [/B]

Don't listen to that Kikaida01. He's wackedy wack. ;-]

[Mikio4]

Originally posted by ultra taro
http://www.tnmc.org/gnews/hulk.html

eric bana, jennifer connelly, nick nolte, sam elliot, josh lucas.

filming at uc berkeley?

Jennifer Connelly spoke to SCI FI Wire about playing Betsy Ross in the movie. "I asked him why he wanted to make The Hulk, and he said, 'Well, it's really a Greek tragedy. It's actually a psychodrama,'" Connelly said in the interview. "He talks about the rage inside all of us, he talks about fathers and sons, and he's talking about using a heightened format to get at something really profound that is otherwise more difficult to access. So, I'm hearing it like Brechtian theater."



Chopper to Blackhawk Down to the Hulk, Eric Bana is a comer.

Jennifer Connelly spoke to SCI FI Wire about playing Betsy Ross in the movie. "I asked him why he wanted to make The Hulk, and he said, 'Well, it's really a Greek tragedy. It's actually a psychodrama,'" Connelly said in the interview. "He talks about the rage inside all of us, he talks about fathers and sons, and he's talking about using a heightened format to get at something really profound that is otherwise more difficult to access. So, I'm hearing it like Brechtian theater."

[/QUOTE]

What a load of pretentious Bullshit!

[Mikio4]

Originally posted by kamenriderv3
Originally posted by Tuan
Originally posted by kikaida01
Shaq is tall but not muscular enough for a Hulk part. Also he can't act if his testicles depended on it. He can't rap either but that's another story.



Yo..if for some odd ass reason Shaq gets the part for the Hulk I will seriously round up a posse and stone the casting company!
Then I'm gonna find Ang Lee and pimp slap his ass.
heheh.. but then you know our beloved director won't do something THAT stupid.

Don't listen to that Kikaida01. He's wackedy wack. ;-]
[/B]

Yeah that guy was a lame-o. Thank god he's not around anymore. Err, this isn't a conversation for one is it?

[coxon]

Originally posted by Mikio4
Originally posted by ultra taro
http://www.tnmc.org/gnews/hulk.html

eric bana, jennifer connelly, nick nolte, sam elliot, josh lucas.

filming at uc berkeley?

Jennifer Connelly spoke to SCI FI Wire about playing Betsy Ross in the movie. "I asked him why he wanted to make The Hulk, and he said, 'Well, it's really a Greek tragedy. It's actually a psychodrama,'" Connelly said in the interview. "He talks about the rage inside all of us, he talks about fathers and sons, and he's talking about using a heightened format to get at something really profound that is otherwise more difficult to access. So, I'm hearing it like Brechtian theater."



Chopper to Blackhawk Down to the Hulk, Eric Bana is a comer.

yeah, i was wondering why yas were tossing up names to play the hulk when it was cast ages ago to an aussie, eric bana..

he's a standup comedian... former star of an aussie 'SNL' type show 'Fast forward'... eric bana has come a long way ~
i watched him in his debut 'Chopper'... havent seen bob hawke down yet..

[kamenriderv3]

Originally posted by Mikio4
Originally posted by kamenriderv3
Originally posted by Tuan
Originally posted by kikaida01
Shaq is tall but not muscular enough for a Hulk part. Also he can't act if his testicles depended on it. He can't rap either but that's another story.



Yo..if for some odd ass reason Shaq gets the part for the Hulk I will seriously round up a posse and stone the casting company!
Then I'm gonna find Ang Lee and pimp slap his ass.
heheh.. but then you know our beloved director won't do something THAT stupid.

Don't listen to that Kikaida01. He's wackedy wack. ;-]


Yeah that guy was a lame-o. Thank god he's not around anymore. Err, this isn't a conversation for one is it? [/B]

Yeah. Stop butting in. I was doing the insulting. Save your flames for someone else like Kikaida.

[MystiCat]

uh ok maybe i was "losted"

[Double M]

Ang Lee's awesome! The Hulk is bigger than any human so just having some bodybuilder wouldn't work. A CG hulk is the answer.

[kamenriderv3]

Not much new info but they started...


<font color=black>
Filming On Ang Lee's Hulk Begins

Thursday, March 28, 2002


Universal Pictures has begun principal photography on The Hulk, the feature film based upon one of Marvel Comics' most memorable and popular superhero series and directed by acclaimed filmmaker Ang Lee (Crouching Tiger, Hidden Dragon) from a screenplay by James Schamus. The film's producers are Gale Anne Hurd, Marvel Studios Chief Executive Officer Avi Arad, James Schamus and Larry Franco. Marvel Comics founder Stan Lee and Kevin Feige are the executive producers.

Eric Bana (Chopper, Black Hawk Down) stars as scientist Bruce Banner, whose inner demons transform him into The Hulk in the aftermath of a catastrophic experiment. Bana plays both the human Banner and -- through groundbreaking visual effects technology provided by the Oscar-winning Industrial Light + Magic (ILM) -- the superhuman Hulk.

Jennifer Connelly, who just received the Academy Award for Best Supporting Actress for her portrayal of Alicia Nash in the Oscar-winning A Beautiful Mind and won rave reviews for her performance as a hapless Coney Island resident in Requiem For A Dream, portrays Betty Ross, whose scientific genius unwittingly helps unleash The Hulk, and whose love for Banner finds its impossible resolution in the film's denouement.

Sam Elliott, who recently starred opposite Mel Gibson as the no-nonsense Sgt. Maj. Basil Plumley in Randall Wallace's We Were Soldiers, plays Betty's father, General Ross. Josh Lucas, who appeared opposite Connelly in A Beautiful Mind as Professor Martin Hansen, plays Glenn Talbot, a romantic and professional rival of Bruce Banner's. Academy Award nominee Nick Nolte, whose recent credits include Affliction and The Thin Red Line, plays a sinister figure who returns from Banner's past to haunt him.

Lee's behind-the-camera team includes cinematographer Fred Elmes (The Ice Storm, Wild at Heart, Blue Velvet), Academy Award-winning production designer Rick Heinrichs (Planet of the Apes, Sleepy Hollow, The Big Lebowski, Fargo), costume designer Marit Allen (Ride with the Devil, Eyes Wide Shut, Smilla's Sense of Snow) and editor Tim Squyres (all of Ang Lee's films and Robert Altman's Gosford Park). ILM's Dennis Muren, an eight-time Academy Award winner for films including E. T.: The Extra-Terrestrial, The Abyss and Jurassic Park, will supervise visual effects.

Ang Lee's concept for the film combines all the elements of a blockbuster visual effects-intensive superhero movie with the brooding romance and tragedy of Universal's classic horror films -- for The Hulk is at once a superhero and a monster, a wish fulfillment and a nightmare. Lee and his team have gone back to the moving, early incarnations of the character created in May 1962 by Stan Lee and Jack Kirby, staying true to the subversive spirit of the early Marvel years, while completely updating and projecting The Hulk into the dangers and aspirations of contemporary times.

The Hulk is scheduled to hit theaters in June of 2003.
</font>

[Hyde]

got this from ain't it cool news:

"Main characters:

Bruce Banner, son of David Banner. Betty Ross, her father General Ross. Someone named Kurlensky?

David Banner was a radiation scientist who passed some kind of gamma ray contamination onto his son Bruce. There are scenes in flashback of David and Mrs. Banner testing the baby to see iif he is contaminated, scenes of the kid crawling funny and dveloping weirdly. Then at some point David Banner stabs the mother, and the baby Bruce reacts but doesn't seem to "Hulk out" (this is how the document describes the transformation.) Other tidbits:

David Banner is the Absorbing Man in this, and only transforms at the end, from what I can gather. Both the Absorbing Man and the Hulk are stuck in a frozen lake at what point.

There are Hulk dogs which attack Betty and Bruce, and even a Hulk rat. Also nano-cytes or something nonsensical mentioned."

i hope this isn't true.

[kamenriderv3]

ain't it cool isn't always accurate

[Hyde]

i know, but reading that made me cringe.

[jinzoningen]

The first trailer is online:

http://www.apple.com/trailers/universal/the_hulk/medium.html

[jinzoningen]

A different trailer:

http://www.hulkmovie.com/medres.html

Reminds me of Requiem for a Dream.

[jinzoningen]

Trailer (http://www.apple.com/trailers/universal/the_hulk/international/large.html)

[kamenriderv3]

obvious cgi....but its really the only way to do it given the current technology.

hopefully the new x-men characters will be as dynamic. i doubt it but it would be nice.

[La Dolce Vita]

The cgi hulk looks shitty.

The new X-men movie looks good though.

[kamenriderv3]

the x-men movie will have its share of cgi shitiness. nightcrawler's *poof!ing* for example.

they were like al gore in the first movie. a bunch of stiffs.

[TunnelRatX]

Hulk does the 80's Comic/NBC Cartoon, HULK jump.

How cool is that!

[mwt.]

this thing doesn't come out for another year, doesn't it?

[jinzoningen]

shut up about the shitty cgi already. I know you guys are gonna go see it despite the fact.

[xsk8teboyx]

hulk smach..what more do you want!

[jinzoningen]

http://www.apple.com/trailers/universal/the_hulk/trailer_5/

[yangnome]

it looks like shrek on steroids

[Cornelius]

i have a feeling its going to be

BETTER THAN DAREDEVIL!!!

[SweetArse]

Originally posted by yangnome
it looks like shrek on steroids

At least it's not Goro from Mortal Kombat.

[qringe]

doing the splits and punching him in the balls won't stop the Hulk, it will only make him angry

[maple]

Did the hulk jump in the olden days our did he just climb and stomp all over things? I think it's wrong that they have him leaping and stuff. Also, is Lou Ferrigno dead? I wonder, if he's not dead, what he thinks about all this. The Hulk makes me sad. He was a sad and lonely man. I was really young when it was on t-v but I remember always thinking, "wow, what a lonely, sad guy".

[jinzoningen]

Originally posted by maple
I think it's wrong that they have him leaping and stuff.

On the contrary, the Hulk did have mad hops back in the day.

[maple]

Jinzoningen....re. the hulk's "mad hops".

Wow! I am a fool, then. I can't believe I don't remember the leaps. I must have focused more on the dark side of the hulk and less on the choreography.

[qringe]

Originally posted by maple
Also, is Lou Ferrigno dead? I wonder, if he's not dead, what he thinks about all this.
perhaps its just a rumor but i heard Lou Ferrigno was going to make a cameo appearance of some sort in the new Hulk film

[SweetArse]

If you're in NY, Lou Ferrigno will be signing copies of the old Hulk DVDs at Chelsea Best Buy this week. Wednesday or Friday, I forget. It sed so in the Voice last week.

[SweetArse]

Hulk is supposed to be able to long jump up to a mile. I think that's what my old Marvel Universe sez.

What about that story of how Lou stepped in front of an oncoming truck to save his baby daughter. It put him in the hospital, but he still stopped it. True or myth?

[kamenriderv3]

the tv hulk was a let down for the hulk comic fans.

ferrigno did cameos on the "king of queens" show.

i doubt it if lou could stop a moving truck. he was less than 300lbs at his peak. a mini cooper is heavy enough to run him over.

[mwt.]

Originally posted by kamenriderv3
the tv hulk was a let down for the hulk comic fans.

ferrigno did cameos on the "king of queens" show.

i doubt it if lou could stop a moving truck. he was less than 300lbs at his peak. a mini cooper is heavy enough to run him over.

i forgot about that. he plays himself as their next door neighbor.

[DoMo_cLeVeR]

I saw the preview for this on saturday...the CG looks really cartoony. My friends didn't like this and were compaining that it looks SOOOOO fake...but I actually like the cartoon look it has.

[DJ LunchBox]

anyone have the Screener copy? :D

[xsk8teboyx]

damn..the international trailers is so much better.

http://www.apple.com/trailers/universal/the_hulk/international/large.html

[archonemis]

Originally posted by Randroid
So what do y'all think about Lee directing the new Hulk film? Think he'll be able to pull off a good superhero flick?

I think he's got a good chance.

The Hulk is scheduled for a 2003 release.
No Lou though.

Since early 2001 I've heard about this. I thought it'd never happen.

[invictus]

Why doesn't the Hulk's penis ever grow to incredible sizes? It's always the one part of his body that stays Bruce Banner size....

[invictus]

Cause his crotch on his pants never busts open the way that the rest of his clothes do when his body is growing to incredible proportions.

[Zaius]

bruce banner's penis is an "innie".

[invictus]

That's so sad......

[kamenriderv3]

women :rolleyes:

flaccid peepees will not bust a pants.

the peepee gets big when sexually aroused. hulk knows he ain't getting any so he doesn't pitch a tent.

but i would hate to imagine what would happen if he did get a boner. no human, creature or beast could withstand that kind of pounding. not even the she-hulk.

[montyburnz]

Originally posted by kamenriderv3

but i would hate to imagine what would happen if he did get a boner. no human, creature or beast could withstand that kind of pounding. not even the she-hulk.

I should hope not. She-Hulk is his cousin. mmmm...She-Hulk.

[invictus]

Originally posted by kamenriderv3
women :rolleyes:

flaccid peepees will not bust a pants.

the peepee gets big when sexually aroused. hulk knows he ain't getting any so he doesn't pitch a tent.



Seriously, that's the worst excuse ever, such a "male" response.....

His flaccid pee-pee should grow in proportion to his Hulkish enormity, unless of course as Bruce Banner his penis was freakishly small.....

[acid_squid]

just watched the trailer. booo. It's on par with the CG Scooby from the live-action remake last year. boooooo.

[l-train8]

According to IMDB, Lou Ferrigno makes a cameo in the new Hulk moive. He is credited as "Head of Security."

The reason that the TV series sucked so much is they never had any super villians. They only had regular villians, like corrupt businessmen or mob guys or something.

But I can't dog on it too much. It was just one take on the Hulk. It's not like the comic book hasn't been all over the map, with different takes itself. I never followed the comic much, because I always thought the Hulk to be pretty one-dimensional. A giant, unthining pissed-off guy ends up doing the same thing every month - smashing stuff. But the comic book re-invented the Hulk pretty often to make up for that flaw. Did you know there is a grey Hulk? And that the grey Hulk talks and thinks? It's still Bruce Banner, but a different version. And elsewhere in this thread there is a discussion of the Hulk's super jumps. In the comics, sometimes he uses the super jumps, sometimes not. The comic has been pretty inconsistent.

[kamenriderv3]

Originally posted by montyburnz


I should hope not. She-Hulk is his cousin. mmmm...She-Hulk.

first cousins?

well its not like the family tree hasn't gone freaky already.....

[yellowbastard]

I watched the hulk the other night.
They do this split screen a la woodstock that is a little annoying.
Instead of cutting to the next shot, they just show a little window.
Lots of microscope cam stuff. it reminded me a bit of darkman
Don't believe the hype!

[wnoodle]

Originally posted by l-train8
Did you know there is a grey Hulk? And that the grey Hulk talks and thinks? It's still Bruce Banner, but a different version.
Grey Hulk, for a while went by the name Mr. Fixit, was a bit on the shady side... He smarts and such, but didn't have any morals. He worked as a bouncer/enforcer in Vegas.

[kamenriderv3]

grey hulk will be back. he's got a good pension plan set up for him when he retires.

[sifuhotga]

Originally posted by l-train8
The reason that the TV series sucked so much is they never had any super villians. They only had regular villians, like corrupt businessmen or mob guys or something.

Actually, it sucked for me because TV Hulk was such a wuss. He always seemed to be getting trapped in elevators and storage rooms. He then proceeded to dent the "metal" doors until they flew off their hindges. Bleh.

He didn't jump, thunder clap or do any of the things that made comic book Hulk so friggin' cool.

[DJ LunchBox]

Hulk: It's Not Easy Being CG

By Lia Haberman

"Universal smash!"


Studio execs are seeing red (and possibly less green) after a rough cut of The Hulk has been circulated on the Internet just two weeks before the movie's June 20 premiere.


It's not the first time Web pirates have obtained bootlegged copies of a highly anticipated movie. Recent hits Finding Nemo, The Matrix Reloaded and Spider-Man all appeared online before their theatrical releases.


Problem is for The Hulk, the version viewers are watching--and slamming on Websites like Ain't It Cool News for its shoddy CG effects--is, according to Universal, an unfinished product and doesn't reflect the film's polished F/X.


But the damage may have been done. Ain't It Cool (www.aint-it-cool-news.com), whose bad buzz has known to derail would-be blockbusters (see Rollerball), has been flooded with amateur reviews criticizing ILM's unrealistic renderings. One Web surfer, Orion's Angel, opined, "I saw an early workprint of the Hulk movie online and the Hulk hadn't even been added the scenes yet, let me tell ya, the CGI was terrible!"


Not exactly the reception Universal was hoping for its $150 million big-screen adaptation of Marvel Comics Day-Glo green antihero, directed by Ang Lee and starring relative newcomer Eric Bana (news) as the mild-mannered Dr. Bruce Banner (who transforms into the not-so-jolly green giant after getting pelted with gamma rays) and Oscar-winning beauty Jennifer Connelly (news) as Banner's long-suffering gal-pal Betty Ross.


The studio, which recently released hits Bruce Almighty and 2 Fast 2 Furious, is under pressure to perform as its parent company, Vivendi Universal, looks to unload its U.S. entertainment division to the highest bidder. The studio was also eyeing The Hulk as a franchise launcher.


So, despite the disses, the studio is putting on a brave face. Execs insist that Internet critics aren't representative of regular movie-going audiences and claim that the unfinished flick has been unfairly judged.


"As is often the case with highly anticipated media content, the nature of such postings is more often an indication of the appetite for the movie rather than an accurate link to such content," said Universal spokeswoman Susan Fleishman in a statement released Monday.


But it's an uphill battle. The movie's been battling bad word of mouth ever since a hastily put-together Super Bowl commercial had fans comparing the computer-generated Hulk to Gumby on steroids.


Again, Universal blamed unfinished renderings (and questionable TV resolution) as the cruddy quality culprit.


The movie's also been over budget and over schedule--at least $20 million was required for reshoots on ILM's animation work, which the studio denied was required to fix or improve the movie.


However, it's not all thumbs down. An anonymous movie geek on Ain't It Cool News, who says he's seen a legitimate preview, writes, "Forget all those cynics that doubt the movie's F/X. Everything in this movie looks incredible. The intergration of the CG Hulk into the real environments is flawless. When you see Hulk smashing things like crazy and tossing tanks around, you believe he's there doing it for real."


That's good news for Universal, which is trying to track the origin of the pirated movie that first appeared through Internet Relay Chat, a program that lets users transfer files at high speeds.


"We are conducting a thorough investigation to determine how this occurred, and those responsible will face serious consequences," said Universal's Fleishman.


In other words, Universal smash.

[DJ LunchBox]

*bump*


Soon ""Hulk SMASH!!"! I for one will enjoy the first showing tomorrow @ the brand new AMC 16 Theatres in Burbank.

[Garlic]

If I may quote wnoodle,
"It's because when Bruce Banner changes into the Hulk, his groin area emits gamma radiation thus causing his pant molecules to turn purple and become unstable. The molecular instability of said pants allows them to alter shape and size (but they will always turn purple). And seeing as how his torso does not generate radiation the same way, his shirts tear away and force him to steal peoples clothes off their clothes-lines.

According to science textbooks recovered from the Marvel universe, clothing made from unstable molecules (which remain unstable at all times) allows the garment to take on the characteristics of the wearer. Which is why the Human Torch doesn't end up naked after doing his "Flame On!" routine... You get the idea."

[invictus]

I still don't get it. Why isn't his shirt affected the same way his pants are, if what the scientific texts say is true?

[jinzoningen]

I saw a 'making of' show on SciFi channel last night. It was called "Hulk Lowdown" or some shit like that. Most of the show was fluff, but there was an interesting segment on the CG... Ang Lee was the dude who put the animation suit on and did the Hulk's character actions for the CG guys.

[Robocon^^]

Ang was goin off :)

[thirdsight]

I hope this movie does well. Two thumbs up. Might have to check it out this weekend.

[fancyk]

Originally posted by janet
Why are you people wasting your time talking about the effects and even the Hulk's crotch when the only thing that matters is JENNIFER CONNELLY.

Unless there's a scene with Jennifer Connelly and a double ended dildo in this movie, I'll stick with Requiem for a Dream...

-k

[akuma]

Originally posted by fancyk


Unless there's a scene with Jennifer Connelly and a double ended dildo in this movie, I'll stick with Requiem for a Dream...

-k



for real, it's gonna be hard to top that scene. that was such a wholesome movie.


im not gonna see the hulk, all the previews show the hulk as like 20 stories tall- thats some straight up bullshit. why they gotta go so over the top?
lou ferigno was perfect- a big, pissed off dumbass all skiied up. <-- thats what the hulk is...not some super cgi godzilla type monster.

[l-train8]

Originally posted by Aniki


...Ain't It Cool (www.aint-it-cool-news.com), whose bad buzz has known to derail would-be blockbusters (see Rollerball), ...



Yeah, it was the buzz on Ain't it Cool that made people not go see Rollerball, not the fact that the movie fucking sucked!

[l-train8]

Saw the Hulk this morning. Good things and bad.

Bad things: Bad dialogue. Didn't sound original or natural. Lame ass exposition shoehorned into peoples' mouths. Weird shit with Nick Nolte, especially towards the end, that left me scratching my head.

CG was weak, as expected. You know, they did a professional job. Some of the close-ups are great, but overall, it looks real cartoony.

Good things: Fucked up Bruce Banner, and kinda messed up Betty Ross. Real interesting characters. Both damaged, both with messed up parental relationships. Even more angsty than the first Batman. You get a much better feel for how messed up the hero is.

Cool battles. Even with the cartoony CG, there were some fun and cool stuff. Helicopters and tanks in the desert. Jets and soldiers in San Francisco. Especially good when the action stayed in long shots.

A few nice in-jokes. The oft-mentioned Lou Ferrigno/Stan Lee cameo. The Bill Bixby quote: "You're making me angry. You won't like me when I'm angry." had a nice little twist.

I loved the split-screen stuff and the scene transitions. It evokes the look of comic book panels and is pretty fresh and cool looking.

All in all, the story was kind of depressing. I guess that's to be expected from Ang Lee and the story of the Hulk.

[DJ LunchBox]

Ok So I as well saw it this morning and all I can say is WOW!

Yeah the flick wasn't perfect, specifically the Nick Nolte thing at the end, it also left me scratching my head.

The split screen stuff was cool in some scenes, but it got a little to excessive in other shots.

I did like the CG, IMO it was done well enough to be believed. The Hulk is NOT 20 stories high, more lik 12-15 ft big. May favorite parts are when he keeps growing as he gets madder, that was pimp.

Yes, a bit caroonish, but mostly in the daytime scenes. The fight with the other hulk-esque characters was dope, very entertaining and fun, had everyone cheering.

The story was great, although the fact that they tweaked his origin a bit was kind of ehh...The backstory and the story overall was genuinely entertaining, and not just your typical superhero/bad guy flick. Real emotions and characters you can identify with made it fun to sit through for 2 + hrs.

The Bill Bixby quote was great, although I was really looking forward to hear Hulk say "Hulk Smash" instead of what he actually said.

I will mos def see it once more and give it a 9.0

[wildseven]

Hulk is freaking awesome. I forgot what exhilaration in the movies was like. It's mostly like that. Not since Jurassic Park 1 or maybe Natural Born Killers has a summer movie been this rich in creative energy that builds while pushing the drama and never losing focus.

I love filmaking that's in love with inventing things,or reinventing things without cynicism or flash. I appreciate how Lee respected the spirit of the 60's - 70's comic as much as King Kong and Sam Shepherd plays. I loved how Frederick Elmes used all the current cinematography conventions to capture something that would have felt just as real and timeless whether it was now or 1978 or 1969-- real and heightened at the same time--cool. It's like, oh yeah that's what I wanted to see after all, huh? Kick ass. Maybe it won't be noticed for a while but all the other comic book flics leading back to Superman 1 (still unbeatable) just got smashed.

[kamenriderv3]

you're making me ang lee. you don't want me when i'm ang lee.

[fauve-io]

Although it was a bit long I quite enjoyed this movie. It was dark and artsy and similar to Crouching Tiger Hidden Dragon which I like. And I liked how the story evolved, involving the perspective of the Jennifer Connelly/Betty character although sometimes her loyalty/intentions leapfrogged like the Hulk flying rooftops. The sci-fi plot was entertaining, the science scenes were realistic(I worked in a lab), and the film design was clever for the most part. Definately better than most of the latest superhero movies though not as cute as Spider Man.

[phism]

Originally posted by kamenriderv3
you're making me ang lee. you don't want me when i'm ang lee.

isn't it "you won't like me"? or does ang just not get much play?



saw it tonight. it was ok, the last 30 mins was the best part. i liked nick nolte's character, especially in that conversation the two had before shit went bananas. the beginning was too long and drawn out though.

better than i thought though, considering i wasn't expecting much. i bet half the budget was spent on those transitions, and they were good. made me like the direction a lot. i also liked the way that conversation looked, specifically the shot from the side with the black bg. yeah.

[wildseven]

the beginning was too long and drawn out though.

ah, but it's designed for effect. KING KONG.
In King Kong, 1933 the first 45 minutes is all talk and development, slow, and nothing happens, totally depriving you of what you expect to see, winding you up with a completely different movie than what comes after the critter is introduced, and once he is, it is spectacular though not overwhelming, just enough to thrill a little and raise expectation for when he shows up again, which is in the sequence involving the log and the great T-rex battle, and the set pieces keep getting bigger and showier as the bar gets raised. HULK follows this path! After setting the story and character conflicts, there's a cool but not nec. showstopping intro of the Hulk, then a bit more to show it's not merely a monster or a CGI effect but a man, and then the spectacular hulk dogs scene, modelled pretty closely to Kong's T-rex fight. Then it keeps getting more spectacular while also pushing the drama intensity and playing up the classic Marvel-ness of the Hulk. Beautiful.

I can't believe they're all gaga over the whiny bore of The Matrix 2 and X2 but are all hesitant about Hulk, which is exactly like the movies we grew up on like Raiders and Jaws and Jurassic Park and The Godfather, at least in the neighborhood--- spectacular, populist, and literate.

[SweetArse]

I wanted to love this movie, but alas, I FUCKING HATED IT.

I know many people say that the movie is a bold step beyond simple popcorn thrills. It takes comic book characters and gives them four dimensions! That Ang Lee's direction is a rollercoaster of...blahblahblah.

The fact of the matter is, this is a boring piece of crap! 1:30 of senseless, melodramatic dialogue. Annoying screen wipes! Annoying close-ups. If 99% of your shots are close-ups of the actor's face, it sort of loses it's effect. And what is the logic of splitting this wonderfully enormous motion picture canvas into 5-6-7 nondescript, incoherent vignettes?

I liked the CGI Hulk scenes though- well, not the dog fight which made no sense. Speaking of not making sense, I won't even go into the ending. I don't think "building tension" justifies how long and stupid-ass boring and nonsensical the rest of the movie is.

Is "Harper" the Kung-Fu guy from "Ghost World." I could've sworn him and David Banner were played by the creators of South Park. Josh Lucas' character as the fey industrialist was cornball. Sorry, everyone was overacting and hammy. There wasn't even any logic to when or why Bruce starts getting angry. Admittedly, I never read Hulk, but I think reading the Hulk entry in the Marvel Universe should be enough to see a movie.

Punisher teaser and T3 trailer both actually looked good.

[SDP]

Me like Hulk. Hulk smash. 1st half too slow. But then Hulk smash. Me like Hulk.

[Greene]

Was it just me or did anybody else notice that the only black actor that had speaking lines was immediately killed right after he was introduced?

:confused:

(It was that scene where David Banner picks up that computer-thing and smashes the security guard with it.)

[SweetArse]

Yes, and I also noticed there were a lot of Asian soldiers in the army.

[wildseven]

Was thinking, and have understood that what this film lacked which X2 and Spider-Man had, was HYPE. Those films were hyped nonstop in all media. Universal was afraid their film was too cerebral and clearly made an apologetic-seeming ad campaign. How can any media giant possibly be so fearful of a few unaccomplished nerds on aintitcoolnews.com? If the studio pushed a more classic sensibility in the way they sold it, it would just be a new step toward advancing better event films, done in the classic style. Now, it is that the film is there, but the audience is conditioned for games and XXX, so they should be conditioned to new things, rather than simply let such a huge investment as this movie become a failure. Commercialisation leading to crowd control... isn't it a bit like the Harry Potter hype craze-- all conditioning?

[SweetArse]

How about the fact that SpiderMan and X2 were FUN TO WATCH. That it brought those familiar characters to life. That I didn't sit there for an hour waiting for the movie to end so that I could see the Hulk. That the entire origins of Spiderman or the X-Men weren't so wildly re-written and contrived that the rest of the movie had to work around said contrived storyline. That Lee and Schamus are such shameless ego driven eggheads that they would hijack a classic comic book icon and twist it into a feminized melodrama only fit for artsier-than-thou film geeks.

That said, I guess it says something about the movie to have made me so bitter. You either love it or hate it.

[Shaftoe]

Dope movie.

[xsk8teboyx]

what you expect it's a movie...it's going be different then the comic book. You are right..X2 was a fun movie but I didn't like spiderman; both were actually weak in drama. Ang lee did a really great job in the "Hulk"; it was difficult but he managed it quite well. CGI was nicely done despite critics. It wasn't perfect but it wasn't bad either. I for once would probably see it again. To each it's own..at least we can agree that you either like it or hate it.

[plixel]

Originally posted by Greene
Was it just me or did anybody else notice that the only black actor that had speaking lines was immediately killed right after he was introduced?

:confused:
Dude, I can't believe they cast an Australian in the role of Bruce Banner. That role is obviously meant for an American.

[Robocon^^]

I liked how it developed, but when it was over it didn't feel like a complete movie. So I liked it, but didn't like it.

[kamenriderv3]

ferrigno mentioned the possible introduction of the she-hulk in a future hulk movie.

anna nicole?

[kamenriderv3]

feed the children!

[jinzoningen]

Just saw it. Although it didn't completely suck ass, it did partially suck ass. It tried too hard to be a drama instead of a comic book.

[plixel]

Aint-it-Cool mentioned the Abomination and/or Leader as possible HULK 2 villians. Bleh.

I'm down for some Hulk vs. Hugh Jackman vs. Wendigo action.

[Yumyumcha]

Originally posted by Iago
Comic book movies are like Vegas. Once you get too serious, it doesn't work.
I'll withold my judgement, but that has always been a small criteria in my book.

For sure. For sure. But I ended up liking the hulk anyways - ang lee does what he does best, make films about isolated and distant relationships between serious characters. As a story telling movie, I thought it worked great, but as a typical superhero comic adaptation, not close.

Never expect michael bay to do good movies, don't think ang lee to sock it up.

Ahh shiEt, Plixel, I was thinking that exact same thing walking out the theater.

[plixel]

http://www.vermination.com/comics/images/coverthumbs/hulk_181coverthumb.JPG

[kamenriderv3]

there's a reprint of that story. they added it to the wolverine/hulk comic that came out recently.

[plixel]

wen-DIG-go!

[invictus]

A coworker has a bootlegged DVD. I'll borrow it from him next week.

[dimbulb]

that was $5 and 2 hours of my life i'll never get back...


i demand justification!

[golivar]

five bucks! that's cheap. i can't even remember the last time i paid five bucks for a movie.

[dimbulb]

its still $5 i can't get back

every tuesday here is cheap night

[Zaius]

just saw it and the CGI work was fantastic. the animation was over-the-top crazy when needed and very subtle at other times. it was just what I imagined the Hulk to be.

[Kamina Ayato]

the movie wasn't too bad. although i had expectations it would suck, it slightly sucked. not enough hulk action. i still think daredevil was better. and 90 min. of the entire film, there were atleast 3 babies crying, *sigh* that kinda ruined it for me too, and the fact that i was in the front row looking up b/c we were late. ~_~

[ocd]

It's so everything can be really BIG, so you end up missing whatever happens on the top 2/3 of the movie. It adds mystery, man.

That and some people like migraines.

[ocd]

Oh, and I don't plan on watching this movie any time soon. I'll probably wait till my dad buys it if anything.

[ocd]

I think the last time I did it was when I went to see Waterworld with some friends similar to the ones you've described. It acted as a diuretic.

[TunnelRatX]

Originally posted by ocd
Oh, and I don't plan on watching this movie any time soon. I'll probably wait till my dad buys it if anything.

You are so better then that movie.(tm)

[Kamina Ayato]

it was the first time i sat in the front in which i was actually bothered by it. i've sat in the front row and i get used to it pretty fast. we didn't feel like asking for a later time. bleh.

[kaihentai]

Saw the movie twice... one with my friends and one with my nephew...

Since I've read the comics, I did appreciate the whole idea of the hulk's past being the reason for the way the manipulation affected him.

Loved the 70s editing, and loved how it treated the character.

Since I also watched the show as a kid, I think the movie treated all versions of the character with equal respect.

The ONE THING I wish it had was the whole eyes turning green, like Bill Bixby. If that happened in the movie, I would have juped off of my seat all the way back into my seat.

[Robocon^^]

Hmm...just saw a TV spot calling it the most argued summer film...or something to that effect

[ocd]

Originally posted by TunnelRatX
You are so better then that movie.(tm) Because I'm not all excited about yet another comic book movie? And I was never into the comic book or the TV show? Or could it be that I can see it for free in a matter of months?

Yeah, check out my Superiority Complex™, smartypants.

[myleftlung]

Originally posted by ocd
It's so everything can be really BIG, so you end up missing whatever happens on the top 2/3 of the movie. It adds mystery, man.

That and some people like migraines.

*chuckles* Randall_fairbrook's thoughts on sitting up front are that he digs being inside the movie. It makes sense, slightly, but I'm still middle row if w/my buddies, or baaaaaack row if date.

[myleftlung]

Oh, and I saw this yesterday at the new Metroplex in Buena Park. BOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOORING. Dude, this movie rivaled the speed of Castaway. To add to that, I'm not a fan of all that CG crap. Bleh. Thankfully, Jennifer Connelly is HAWT. :D

[tangent23]

i really like this movie except for the last five minutes [one year later...] which felt like it was tacked on by the money men to enable the franchise to continue...it should've stopped before then.

i liked the visuals [CG, cinematography, transitions], dialogue sometimes not quite there, Jennifer Connelly [!], i liked Nick Nolte's rant at the end [and now i know why he looked so messed up in those mugshots], the emotional backstories etc.

having a short attention span, the multiple viewpoints gave me more info about characters and action, i could choose which i wanted to focus on, my partner pointed out the blurs were like pages turning...

cool.

one thing: there were heaps of young kids in the audience with their parents, and this is definitely not an average kid's movie. maybe a western adult response incapable of comprehending anything "comicbook" being anything other than bright colours and simplistic action. maybe also the way it was marketed.

[ocd]

Originally posted by myleftlung
Oh, and I saw this yesterday at the new Metroplex in Buena Park. BO~ORING. Dude, this movie rivaled the speed of Castaway. To add to that, I'm not a fan of all that CG crap. Bleh. It's sounding more and more like I won't even see it for free now.

[ocd]

Originally posted by tangent23
i really like this movie except for the last five minutes [one year later...] which felt like it was tacked on by the money men to enable the franchise to continue...it should've stopped before then.

i liked the visuals [CG, cinematography, transitions], dialogue sometimes not quite there, Jennifer Connelly [!], i liked Nick Nolte's rant at the end [and now i know why he looked so messed up in those mugshots], the emotional backstories etc.

having a short attention span, the multiple viewpoints gave me more info about characters and action, i could choose which i wanted to focus on, my partner pointed out the blurs were like pages turning...

cool.

one thing: there were heaps of young kids in the audience with their parents, and this is definitely not an average kid's movie. maybe a western adult response incapable of comprehending anything "comicbook" being anything other than bright colours and simplistic action. maybe also the way it was marketed. Now I don't know!

[Phyrephox]

Flawed but cool. Striking photography, swanky CGI, nice editing, over long, some groan-inducing dialog, but fun actors and over all interesting movie.

[CaptainPajamaShark]

do you think anyone made any Bill Bixby jokes to Ang Lee on the set of the Incredible Hulk?

"Don't make me Ang Lee, Mr.Mcgee. You wouldn't like me when i'm Ang Lee."

*buh-dum tscccchhhhh*

[beanie]

jennifer is f-ing hot

[Iago]

I see Jennifer in my neighborhood all the time. She's purty alright.